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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/18/2010 5:35:14 AM   
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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/18/2010 5:36:40 AM   
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From Post 384:

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Mockery is serious business. Don't take it lightly.

Your response to a clear refutation of your stance was "Apples and oranges". That's really worth taking seriously.

I think the issue is about the attention you crave for yourself. You were flavor of the hour for a while there, but you are ultimately quite boring. The obtuse usually are.

The crowd have long since decided to talk among themselves, as the same song is played onstage. I missed the opening numbers, and don't regret it.

Exit, pursued by many more.


~smile~

I take it that strategy isn't working the way you'd like ;)

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/18/2010 5:37:51 AM   
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For example, if I don't stay overnight with them I phone in the morning and discuss how they are feeling


And you think they believe you are expressing sincere concerns for their well-being?

Or just trying to ease your conscience because they were not important enough to you to stay with them after they've given you their all?

I see no reason to consider your behaviour ethical. From my point of view you simply undermine their self-esteem by treating them as an after-thought rather than as vulnerable and valuable human beings. Easier to deal with their emotions by phone than in person, and of course, since this is casual, they can expect nothing from you in the emotional department ... simply more evidence that you erode their self-esteem and let them know you really don't care what they feel.


1) Some of those conversations last hours. If I didn't care I'd go 'you ok? Ok! Bye now!' but I don't. We talk about how the session made us feel. We talk about how those feelings compared with last time (if there was a last time), and sometimes we talk about plans for the future. If that constitutes 'expecting nothing from someone in the emotional department' in BLovedWorld then I feel for you.

2) Sometimes it simply isn't possible to stay the night. If the choice is between seeing someone and not staying the night, and not seeing them at all, I'm going to choose the former-I would do that because they are important to me.

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Your effort to simplify my arguments such that it is simply a question of semantics (morality vs ethics) is self-serving at best.


I can't take credit for noting the distinction-that was all Lance Hughes. And I don't think that rejecting your notion that I have to uphold your christian standards of morality or else be considered devoid of ethics self-serving.

You are dismissing Lance's argument as semantics instead of engaging with it.

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Which is why you call in the morning to ask about "feelings". Your conscience already knows the truth your obsession denies.


My conscience is clear. Your continuous insistence otherwise doesn't actually mean that what you say is true.


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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/18/2010 5:39:32 AM   
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I do recall the opening poster vaguely. He has not changed the content and style of his posts nor his attitude. I have read a couple of his posts in this thread and they discourage me from reading any more.

Edited to add: That ~smile~ of his in my opinion is creepy.

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/18/2010 5:45:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BLoved

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ORIGINAL: EbonyWood


From Post 384:

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Mockery is serious business. Don't take it lightly.

Your response to a clear refutation of your stance was "Apples and oranges". That's really worth taking seriously.

I think the issue is about the attention you crave for yourself. You were flavor of the hour for a while there, but you are ultimately quite boring. The obtuse usually are.

The crowd have long since decided to talk among themselves, as the same song is played onstage. I missed the opening numbers, and don't regret it.

Exit, pursued by many more.


~smile~

I take it that strategy isn't working the way you'd like ;)


Unlike you, I don't have an agenda to preach or therefore a strategy. Two minutes to check on the continued evasion that formed your responses was my investment. I notice most posts wisely bypassed you.
 
Your child fixation is a disturbing revelation however. You must have mentioned it 8 times. Please seek help for that.

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/18/2010 5:50:47 AM   
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With so many casual bdsm advocates acting like children, is it any wonder casual bdsm gets condemned as an irresponsible and damaging activity?


We are acting like children because your argument seems pretty childish.


And yet I do not act like a child, regardless of how you act.

That is what self-discipline is for: to control impulses that do us no good.

You can conjure whatever excuses you wish, the fact remains there isn't an ounce of self-discipline amongst the lot of you considering how you choose to present yourself here.

And then we're supposed to believe you when you say casual bdsm is "safe"?

You can't even control yourselves in public. What are the odds you are any better at it in private where no one can witness the abuse?



Just a quick note-connecting our piss-taking with any supposed lack of self discipline implies that we are attempting to control ourselves.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not trying particularly hard to restrain myself here...


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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/18/2010 5:52:50 AM   
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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/18/2010 5:58:22 AM   
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Bob in his absolute convictions that there be love and BDSM in his world, will no doubt lead him to fall for the first thing with a pulse that shows him any attention. He will no doubt proclaim his love quickly and she will ransack his drawers as he sleeps.


You mean his drawers, as in the place in which he keeps his stuff, or his drawers, as in the place he keeps his...*stuff*?

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/18/2010 6:02:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BLoved
~FR~
With so many casual bdsm advocates acting like children, is it any wonder casual bdsm gets condemned as an irresponsible and damaging activity?


We are acting like children because your argument seems pretty childish.


And yet I do not act like a child, regardless of how you act.

I have always thought of petulance as a childish behavior.

That is what self-discipline is for: to control impulses that do us no good.

And persisting in what you have been pursuing for the past 22 pages is doing you good?
I find myself wondering how exactly.
How does the impulse to spill your passive aggressive hostility here, serve you?

You can conjure whatever excuses you wish, the fact remains there isn't an ounce of self-discipline amongst the lot of you considering how you choose to present yourself here.

Bob,
(stating the obvious)
Just because you perceive things to be a certain way does not make them so.

When I woke up this morning, I am fairly sure you had not suddenly become all-knowing.
You are biased by your own experiences which have nothing to do with us.

And then we're supposed to believe you when you say casual bdsm is "safe"?

You can't even control yourselves in public. What are the odds you are any better at it in private where no one can witness the abuse?

Bob, to draw the correlation between how you perceive people to be behaving while engaged in inane discussion with you and how they might treat their intimate partners ... Bob, it is just that despite your difficulty in seeing past your assumptions, I really thought you were much, much more intelligent than that.





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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/18/2010 6:07:22 AM   
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There are already two elsewheres that I have noticed!

I do recall the opening poster vaguely. He has not changed the content and style of his posts nor his attitude. I have read a couple of his posts in this thread and they discourage me from reading any more.

Edited to add: That ~smile~ of his in my opinion is creepy.


At the very least, it is patently dishonest.

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/18/2010 6:08:19 AM   
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Bob in his absolute convictions that there be love and BDSM in his world, will no doubt lead him to fall for the first thing with a pulse that shows him any attention. He will no doubt proclaim his love quickly and she will ransack his drawers as he sleeps.


You mean his drawers, as in the place in which he keeps his stuff, or his drawers, as in the place he keeps his...*stuff*?

I'msorryI'msorryI'msorryI'msorry
but it ran through my head and I couldn't cope alone so I had to share
I'msorryI'msorry



THIS deserves punishment.
Please read all of Bob's writings and ramblings and be prepared with a fifty page dissertation on why Bob is right.
I'll expect in my inbox no later than 4 p.m. on Friday.

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/18/2010 6:08:44 AM   
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Your child fixation is a disturbing revelation however. You must have mentioned it 8 times. Please seek help for that.


I realize comparing the behaviour of posters with the behaviour of immature children might not appeal to you but it hardly constitutes a "child fixation".

I am not surprised that your concept of "adulthood" includes making such accusations anyway.

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/18/2010 6:12:26 AM   
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And yet I do not act like a child, regardless of how you act.


Bob, there is a difference between not acting like a child and BEING an adult. Your unwillingness to consider other points of view, your absolute black and white thinking, picking and choosing only arguments you think you can win and not answering the tough questions, and your twisting words that people have said is decidedly IMMATURE.

The reality is that your mental state will not allow you to absorb any of this information because you have decided not to. One must be open to others in order to receive and give, to experience, love. Your behavior in this thread is deeply disturbing and is not loving. Love is not a ~smile~. It is an action. Here an example would be hearing and listening to others. It would be appreciating and accepting that they are adults and able to live as they see fit. It would be realizing that not all people experience the world through your glasses. You are clearly not capable of mature, adult love. At least not at this time. Your behavior suggests that you live in a Walter Mitty - esque fantasy world where actual love has no place. A shame really.

I wish you well,
sunshine

*edited to remove a judgment of my own.

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/18/2010 6:14:51 AM   
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Bob in his absolute convictions that there be love and BDSM in his world, will no doubt lead him to fall for the first thing with a pulse that shows him any attention. He will no doubt proclaim his love quickly and she will ransack his drawers as he sleeps.


You mean his drawers, as in the place in which he keeps his stuff, or his drawers, as in the place he keeps his...*stuff*?

I'msorryI'msorryI'msorryI'msorry
but it ran through my head and I couldn't cope alone so I had to share
I'msorryI'msorry



THIS deserves punishment.
Please read all of Bob's writings and ramblings and be prepared with a fifty page dissertation on why Bob is right.
I'll expect in my inbox no later than 4 p.m. on Friday.


Haha!
In my defence, it didn't seem a big leap in my head to go from thinking about Bob talking bollocks to thinking about Bob's bollocks...

Really you should blame the Leg-aliciously Luscious One for her choice of words!


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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/18/2010 6:15:28 AM   
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With so many casual bdsm advocates acting like children, is it any wonder casual bdsm gets condemned as an irresponsible and damaging activity?


Right, it's because immature people are involved in casual BDSM that mainstream society considers it irresponsible and damaging. If they knew love was involved, and commitment, the average 'nilla person would definitely not think it abusive that you nailed your wife's breasts to a board. Because you are mature and in a loving and committed relationship, it would no longer be irresponsible or damaging from their point of view? Uh huh. Lemme know how THAT works out for you.

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/18/2010 6:15:40 AM   
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That ~smile~ of his in my opinion is creepy.

At the very least, it is patently dishonest.


~smile~

Actually, my smile is quite sincere.

You can only judge your behaviour from the degree of maturity you have achieved.

You've no idea how childish you look to those who are more mature than you.

When my son would throw a tantrum, I would smile because I understood his frustrations and a smile was the best way to reassure him that the situation was not as bad as he thought it was.

I understand your immaturity because I had to grow through that immaturity to get to where I am now.

You are driven by insecurities and a desperate need for popularity. That is why you try to undermine my self-esteem and make the effort to make me unpopular.

~smile~

Because of the limitations to your understanding, you cannot conceive of an individual who could not be manipulated through such threats.

I know myself, and rather than judge myself through your standards, I judge you through mine.

~smile~

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/18/2010 6:20:07 AM   
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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/18/2010 6:21:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Rule
That ~smile~ of his in my opinion is creepy.

At the very least, it is patently dishonest.


~smile~

Actually, my smile is quite sincere.

You can only judge your behaviour from the degree of maturity you have achieved.

You've no idea how childish you look to those who are more mature than you.


*ahem*:


I know that y'all in Yanksville-Over-Pond supposedly don't do irony, but this takes the biscuit.

~laughs out loud enough for my flatmate to go 'what? what?!?'~

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I understand your immaturity because I had to grow through that immaturity to get to where I am now.


Where you are now: alone. As you have been for the last two years.

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I know myself, and rather than judge myself through your standards, I judge you through mine.



Really, please can somebody follow this with something really ironic to reassure me?


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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/18/2010 6:26:37 AM   
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Does it really take 356 posts for mature responsible adults to tell collarme I am a worthless human being unworthy of attention?

~smile~

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/18/2010 6:26:56 AM   
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that work for you? Or should I dig through my memory for more of the lyrics?

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