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BLoved -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/17/2010 7:51:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
Im not the ones making the claims here Bob.


Of course you are. Are you not asserting that casual bdsm is emotionally safe?

Or do you concede casual bdsm couldn't care less about the emotional states of the individuals involved?




sirsholly -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/17/2010 7:52:06 AM)

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I've spoken with the victims.......blah blah blah........You are hardly in a position to talk about people who have abandoned casual bdsm for something safer.
and you are not in a position to condemn anyone for their choice of lifestyle.

As for you talking to the victims of the BDSM lifestyle...i hardly think you have spoken to too many people, since you really are not the likable sort.

Perhaps you have listened to the grumps of a few, but for every few that are not satisfied, there are many of us that are happy, healthy and in solid relationships.






LadyPact -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/17/2010 7:53:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BLoved

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Are you a Christian? I am not but I still would not, "judge lest ye be judged".


I wrote the following in response to a question like this:

Are you a good judge of character?

Every now and then I see someone saying we shouldn't judge others.

Which of us doesn't judge a liar who deceives us?

Which of us doesn't judge an abuser who abuses us?

Casual players like to believe casual bdsm is completely harmless, unaware of the emotional damage it does over time.

Not until they realize they no longer have the capacity to truly love another, to trust someone so thoroughly as to commit their life to that person do they become aware of the damage they've done to themselves.

In the pursuit of cheap thrills they lose the ability to love.

Healthy BDSM is not a cheap thrill. It is an expression of love and trust in someone who has demonstrated qualities worthy of love and trust. Every thought, every deed is meaningful and only deepens the love and trust shared.

Casual bdsm only attracts those who are afraid of this kind of intimacy. Those who are too emotionally-immature for a healthy, loving relationship. In the no-strings-attached world of casual bdsm they can pretend to be intimate without ever experiencing intimacy.

And thus they reinforce their emotional immaturity.

We each must judge for ourselves what is and is not "abusive". We each must take our stand opposing that which we judge to be abusive.

How else will we know which of us have thought this out, and which of us are here for a cheap thrill?


Well, I guess we'll have this debate right here.  I'm a married poly Dominant woman who shares My life with My husband and My collared submissive.  In addition, I play casually.  My casual S/m play does not interfere with My intimacy with My husband.  He is neither submissive, nor a masochist.  Truthfully, he is genuinely glad that I have outlets for My sadistic desires to be met.  (Especially when it's not at the expense of his own hide.)  I do not love him less because we don't engage in BDSM together.  In fact, I love him more because he loved Me enough to realize that I am happier expressing My sadism and I am able to do that with others.

Now, don't get Me wrong.  I can promise you that I agree with the statement that we are (and should be) judgmental against those who have wronged us in an unethical fashion.  Yet, consensual play is not unethical.  There are plenty of folks out there who are only interested in topping and bottoming who have no interest in Dominance and submission.  Not every activity that two people do together must be in the context of a love based relationship.




BLoved -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/17/2010 7:54:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
If one condemn casual BDSM, they would have to condemn casual sex also. There are also people abusing people physically and emotionally with other things too. Maybe we should just condemn all "users" or maybe all men who lie and say "I love you" to get in some girls pants?


I'm in complete agreement with you here.




sirsholly -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/17/2010 7:54:44 AM)

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Are you not asserting that casual bdsm is emotionally safe?
Heeey Bob...casual BDSM is as emotionally safe as the one who engages in the practice.

If you have someone who is emotionally damaged to begin with, they are not going to experience a cathartic healing via bondage.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/17/2010 7:55:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BLoved

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly
And as for the masses lining up to read the crap you write...don't count on it. We emotionally damaged BDSMers are a practical bunch. If we want to look at shit, two birds can be killed with one stone by cleaning the litter boxes.


While it is true some are too far gone to change course, not everyone is a lemming.

Some people actually think for themselves :)

What's wrong, Holly, afraid of a little philisophical competition?



The problem with your philisophical discussions are, you are a broken record. No one wants a lecture when they are grown adults and you seem to have no other ideas or hobbies. Do you ever talk about anything else? Do you make friends, help your neighbors, show generosity of spirit? DO you debate anything else?

How about a discussion about life after death or is there a God or should people wear white after labor day?

Again do you have a career or hobbie that you can show us a man who is interesting?




BLoved -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/17/2010 8:00:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
Well, I guess we'll have this debate right here.  I'm a married poly Dominant woman who shares My life with My husband and My collared submissive.  In addition, I play casually.  My casual S/m play does not interfere with My intimacy with My husband.  He is neither submissive, nor a masochist.  Truthfully, he is genuinely glad that I have outlets for My sadistic desires to be met.  (Especially when it's not at the expense of his own hide.)  I do not love him less because we don't engage in BDSM together.  In fact, I love him more because he loved Me enough to realize that I am happier expressing My sadism and I am able to do that with others.

Now, don't get Me wrong.  I can promise you that I agree with the statement that we are (and should be) judgmental against those who have wronged us in an unethical fashion.  Yet, consensual play is not unethical.  There are plenty of folks out there who are only interested in topping and bottoming who have no interest in Dominance and submission.  Not every activity that two people do together must be in the context of a love based relationship.



And who is concerned about the emotional state of their partner in a no-strings-attached scenario?

Who worries about whether they are emotionally damaging to another during a one-night stand?

Who follows-up to see if they've damaged a virtual stranger, and who expects to know the difference with someone they barely know?

In what way does it enhance your existing relationship to use others for your own pleasure? In what way can someone take pride in your choices when the people you use don't matter?

In what way are you showing your existing relationships that what you give them has value to you when you give it to virtual strangers for nothing more than a cheap thrill?




Wolf2Bear -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/17/2010 8:00:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BLoved

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx
There's lots of people in monogomous relationships here.
There's lots who aren't interested in that, and just want to play.
I find it interesting that you've got both groups irritated at you already.


I find it curious that monogamous people would suggest that meaningless multiple sexual encounters with virtual strangers is a wise choice. To suggest that monogamy is just another flavour of ice cream is to suggest they are not very devoted to monogamy, nor that they have any real convictions regarding it.

I suspect they speak of tolerance because they have friends in the casual camp and to speak out against that choice would threaten their friendships.

I suffer no such conflict of interests.



I want to know who deemed it unwise to have multiple sex partners on a casual basis?
I want to know when and how this person was given the right to determine that my sexual practices are unwise? 

You see bloved, I have no fear of my friendships being threatened because of what I do or what I think...because I make damn wise choices to who my friends are.




BLoved -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/17/2010 8:03:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly
If you have someone who is emotionally damaged to begin with, they are not going to experience a cathartic healing via bondage.


And casual players don't bother finding out if someone is emotionally damaged beforehand or not.

No-strings-attached one-night stands do not lend themselves to uncovering this kind of information.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/17/2010 8:03:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BLoved

quote:

ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
Im not the ones making the claims here Bob.


Of course you are. Are you not asserting that casual bdsm is emotionally safe?

Or do you concede casual bdsm couldn't care less about the emotional states of the individuals involved?



Its actually none of your business what my beliefs are as I am not sharing them with you. I dont concede anything. You have not made one valid point in which to concede to. Now as for your assertions, as with any debate you have to present alogical argument. You have not done this.




sirsholly -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/17/2010 8:04:15 AM)

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I want to know who deemed it unwise to have multiple sex partners on a casual basis?
Bob.


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I want to know when and how this person was given the right to determine that my sexual practices are unwise?
he has spoken to the victims. All of them. *nods*






GreedyTop -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/17/2010 8:04:56 AM)

*notices that Bobby has ignored my previous post*




lusciouslips19 -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/17/2010 8:05:18 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BLoved

quote:

ORIGINAL: sirsholly
If you have someone who is emotionally damaged to begin with, they are not going to experience a cathartic healing via bondage.


And casual players don't bother finding out if someone is emotionally damaged beforehand or not.

No-strings-attached one-night stands do not lend themselves to uncovering this kind of information.



Since when? Most people I know do casual BDSM in clubs where"one nightstands" involving sex is not part of it.

So actually what you are really asserting is that casual sex is not emotionally safe.




Jeffff -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/17/2010 8:05:27 AM)

The word from Vegas just came in.............. the new over/under is 3.5 days.

The line is moving down.


Jeffwey the Greek




BLoved -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/17/2010 8:06:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Wolf2Bear
You see bloved, I have no fear of my friendships being threatened because of what I do or what I think...because I make damn wise choices to who my friends are.


As do I, Bear.

If you find the implications of a different bdsm paradigm disturbing for you, you are free to ignore them.




LaTigresse -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/17/2010 8:08:07 AM)

Wooooooohooooooo bobby is back!!

Commence with the.........whatever.




sirsholly -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/17/2010 8:09:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BLoved

quote:

ORIGINAL: sirsholly
If you have someone who is emotionally damaged to begin with, they are not going to experience a cathartic healing via bondage.


And casual players don't bother finding out if someone is emotionally damaged beforehand or not.

No-strings-attached one-night stands do not lend themselves to uncovering this kind of information.

Listen Bob...if i want to play casually i am not going to sit their ass down and assess their emotionally stability. Not my job. I will not assume responsibility for the emotional well being of another under those circumstances. This is why it is called CASUAL play.

If they are that fucked up then they need to keep their ass out of the line of fire.

(hop into the nearest foxhole Bob)




kittinSol -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/17/2010 8:10:05 AM)

It's gonna be just like 2008 all over again. Yay!!!




Jeffff -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/17/2010 8:10:11 AM)

The problem with ignoring you bob, is that there ARE folks you will just accept the crap you spew if you are not called on it.

You are entitled to your way. But grand sweeping proclamations are almost always bullshit.

Jeff




LaTigresse -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/17/2010 8:10:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BLoved

The more attention you draw to me, while telling everyone to ignore me, the more mysterious I become and the more you generate curiosity.

Works for me ;)



I assure you the only mystery is how one person can be so narrow minded and get so many people to want to poke sharp sticks at their tender bits.




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