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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/19/2010 8:26:13 AM   
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You've got your opinion and that's fanastic. Now be respectful of other people's opinions.



Ironic.




Don't know who you are fussing at with that one but you messed up the quote. I said that, not him.


My bad....this whole thread is confusing...I will head elsewhere.


No stay! I'm about to break out the stripper pole and the Lord of the Rings soundtrack!



Lord of the Rings.....EXCELLENT!!!!

Seriously, OP, life is more than black and white....there are shades of gray everywhere and I know of no artist who says otherwise.  You come across as someone who lives in black and white...others choose to live in color....neither is right or wrong.

Now....cue music and bring on the stripping elves!!!!

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/19/2010 8:27:48 AM   
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Did I mention I'm making d20 pasties...

Really??


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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/19/2010 8:28:21 AM   
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Are you saying I can't state my opinion if it disagrees with yours?

Nope. Just that it's rude to state as a corrective statement when it's simply your opinion.


So where you have an "opinion" I have a "corrective statement".

~smile~

Never try arguing semantics with a writer ;)



Save the winking, I don't think you are cute in any way, shape or form. Maybe when you drop this "OMG EVERYONE HATES ME" bs. Which, frankly, if you did, people on this forum would still love to get to know you as a person who really does espouse love and can find affection for those despite their differences and how they live their lives.

I was scarastic. You were quick to correct. I notice you chopped out my real opinion on love and sucking.

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/19/2010 8:29:05 AM   
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I really shouldn't have to tell you this, but folks involved in BDSM are just like any other subsection of society. That means that all points of view on the gender debate are going to exist here just like they are anywhere else in the world. Everything from accepting someone as female because that is the gender that they have always felt they were, to those who will never see someone as female because they were XY at birth, and all positions inbetween.


If alice is transgendered it is not "personal opinion" to call her a man or a "hir" or a "xhe"... I am not a fan of hers or anything, but I am a person that will vehemently stand up for those who are in the LGBT community. It is as big of a civil rights issue as was civil rights for Black people in the 1960s. I prefer to be on the right side of history in this regard. If alice wants to be referred to as a woman here, then I will refer to her as such. If people I genuinely like on this site decide that they do not want to refer to her as a "she" because of their own bigotry or because they think that tearing her down on this point is something to be lauded... well my opinion of such people will be lowered.

As to alice, well, I do not appreciate age-ism, sex-ism, weight-ism either, but two wrongs do not make a right... When it was ambiguous on the other thread as to who alice was, and she was attacking others for their weight, age, etc, I could see poking holes in her bigotry by demonstrating she was just as vulnerable... but since she has stated who she is, I really see no point in it.


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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/19/2010 8:29:15 AM   
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There are several hundreds of posts that demonstrate more than a little concern about whom I might influence. It is not going to get better on some other thread.

They have spent a great deal of time and effort conjuring an image of me and themselves here. I will work with what I've been given in this thread.


This reminds me of something that the infamous Jessica Powers would have said.


BAD! BAD WHIP BAD! Do you want to bring her back?


I'm all up for seeing "Clash of the Titans" (spoken with sincere double meaning)



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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/19/2010 8:30:25 AM   
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Actually, OP, I don't think anyone here cares whether you sanction casual BDSM or not.


750+ posts to this thread say otherwise.


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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/19/2010 8:31:47 AM   
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Lord of the Rings.....EXCELLENT!!!!

*snip*

Now....cue music and bring on the stripping elves!!!!


You haven't seen a strip till you've seen a girl in elf ears grind to the Healm's Deep theme.

Let's find new places to hide the One Ring baby!

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Did I mention I'm making d20 pasties...

Really??

Planning on it for Dragon*Con. Might go ahead and make them earlier. I just need to decide how to attach them. Spirit gum was an utter fail for my Superman pasties. I like to made them in the shape of d20s and dangle actual dice from them so I need a strong glue that won't rip my breasts to shreds.

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/19/2010 8:31:54 AM   
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Apparently the casual community believes coercion is the preferred method for getting people to agree with them.

No wonder so many people are damaged by participating in the casual community.


I am not a part of a real life community... I am a part of a relationship only... so if this was supposed to make me feel insulted... it didn't hit its mark


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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/19/2010 8:32:47 AM   
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Actually, OP, I don't think anyone here cares whether you sanction casual BDSM or not.


750+ posts to this thread say otherwise.



You seriously judge your importance to these forums by how long your threads get?

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/19/2010 8:33:01 AM   
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We're bored.


And does this justify hundreds of attacks against my self-esteem?

Something those considering involvement in casual bdsm should keep in mind.


Like I said... you attacked me on every level and that was fined by you, and yet you whine about imagined personal attacks... dude, you are projecting


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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/19/2010 8:33:49 AM   
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I'm all up for seeing "Clash of the Titans" (spoken with sincere double meaning)




TWO MEN ENTER - ONE MAN LEAVES!

Oh.. wait... wrong movie.

Never mind.

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/19/2010 8:36:33 AM   
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I would very much like for the OP to please concretely define "True Love".
I would also like for him to define "Abuse".

Sorry for being simplistic:
At it's foundation a BDSM relationship is still a relationship.
There are many different types of relationships.

Given that... Bob, why do you feel that by adding the element of BDSM to a relationship, it excludes the possibility to have one without "True Love" and have it still be healthy?


I advise you to read my profile and journal for the answers.



I know you have it posted there, but since you introduced this discussion and because you have obviously given it a great deal of thought, I figured it would be best if you could provide the way you define those words (in a concise format) here.
When one is discussing terms, those terms should be defined.







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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/19/2010 8:36:47 AM   
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If alice is transgendered it is not "personal opinion" to call her a man or a "hir" or a "xhe"... I am not a fan of hers or anything, but I am a person that will vehemently stand up for those who are in the LGBT community. It is as big of a civil rights issue as was civil rights for Black people in the 1960s. I prefer to be on the right side of history in this regard. If alice wants to be referred to as a woman here, then I will refer to her as such. If people I genuinely like on this site decide that they do not want to refer to her as a "she" because of their own bigotry or because they think that tearing her down on this point is something to be lauded... well my opinion of such people will be lowered.

This is a stark difference to every other instance of LGBT discrimination. The issue is that people should be able to comfortably and openly be who they are, without bigotry. Transgendered people are "[X gender] that used to be [Y gender]". There should be no shame in that. If there is shame, though, to have to admit having been born one gender and then deciding you wished to be another, it is wrought from the individual him/herself.

People are certainly free to be deceptive to whomever they wish for however long they wish, but dressing it up in the armor of protection based on sexual minority persecution is not an applicable process in these sort of cases.

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/19/2010 8:38:04 AM   
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Not one person made up anything about you.


Errr ... actually ... someone HAS.      (it says "legend" in the topic title)

I never even flipped the top on the lube, let alone shagged him ... so he's never had an ounce of legend in him.

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/19/2010 8:43:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BLovedAnd if I were to follow the example of the casual advocates I would have to post hundreds of times telling one and all you are an idiot.

Fortunately, they are not the kind of examples I wish to follow.


So instead you just stick with sweeping generalizations?

That's a kind of example I'd not want to follow either.

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/19/2010 8:43:48 AM   
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Right. It's got nothing to do with the fact that you swoop in going "HUZZAH! THE LEGAND MAN HAS RETURNED TO THE FAULTY BOARDS WITH THEIR MISGUIDED BELIEFS!" instead of just going "Hey guys, I'm back. How is everyone?".


One man, alone, standing before a mob who are constantly hurling abuse and insult his way, enduring whatever they throw at him for the opportunity to share his insights regarding Love and BDSM with those who might listen ...

Some might call that "legendary".

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/19/2010 8:45:13 AM   
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Actually, OP, I don't think anyone here cares whether you sanction casual BDSM or not.


750+ posts to this thread say otherwise.



Actually, no they don't.   You might want to rethink what this thread proves, leaving your ego out of it...it's distorting your conclusion. =)

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/19/2010 8:45:20 AM   
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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/19/2010 8:46:14 AM   
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You don't have immunity because you crusrade around for true love.


To suffer for True Love is an honourable choice.

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RE: A legend returns ... - 2/19/2010 8:46:54 AM   
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I really shouldn't have to tell you this, but folks involved in BDSM are just like any other subsection of society. That means that all points of view on the gender debate are going to exist here just like they are anywhere else in the world. Everything from accepting someone as female because that is the gender that they have always felt they were, to those who will never see someone as female because they were XY at birth, and all positions inbetween.


If alice is transgendered it is not "personal opinion" to call her a man or a "hir" or a "xhe"... I am not a fan of hers or anything, but I am a person that will vehemently stand up for those who are in the LGBT community. It is as big of a civil rights issue as was civil rights for Black people in the 1960s. I prefer to be on the right side of history in this regard. If alice wants to be referred to as a woman here, then I will refer to her as such. If people I genuinely like on this site decide that they do not want to refer to her as a "she" because of their own bigotry or because they think that tearing her down on this point is something to be lauded... well my opinion of such people will be lowered.

As to alice, well, I do not appreciate age-ism, sex-ism, weight-ism either, but two wrongs do not make a right... When it was ambiguous on the other thread as to who alice was, and she was attacking others for their weight, age, etc, I could see poking holes in her bigotry by demonstrating she was just as vulnerable... but since she has stated who she is, I really see no point in it.


Julia, I very much agree with what I highlighted in the above.  As far as gender goes, I tend to refer to anyone as they wish to be referred to.  Just the same as anything else, I know there are people out there who aren't going to agree with Me on it.  The way that I know people are going to approach things in other ways that I don't.

What I think we do see differently is the use of pronouns such as xhe or hir.  I've always taken them as in to include a person of any, or even multiple genders.  Another possibility might be the pronouns being used because someone was unsure of whether to use he or she as appropriate.  I don't automatically see the use of such pronouns as an automatic slight against someone, though I'm sure in some cases that they have been.

It's an interesting thought.


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