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The Awesomeness of Male Subs - 2/20/2010 6:16:22 AM   
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The negativity of some of the threads on this board at the moment is making my eyeballs hurt (although I did just have some Ben & Jerry's Half-Baked, so it could just be brain freeze...).

Apparently we all hate male subs. I know I don't; I think they're awsum!

I know I'm not alone here.

So I figured I would start a thread where we could say some of the reasons why:

1) Some of them are, unsurprisingly, a whole lot taller/broader/stronger than female subs; there is something about a guy a foot taller than I am dropping to his knees for me which screams 'power trip! Power Trip! POWER TRIIIIIIP!!!'

2) Some of them write us Officially Suave And Charming Yet Sexy Valentines Poetry. (I'm looking at you here, Mr Polite...) The good ones make me laugh lots. People who make me laugh lots are awesome.

3) Some of them have incredibly sexy avatars. I will admit to being happy whenever I see Peon has posted, because it means I get to perv over his new picture...:D

4) The last male sub I played with told me I looked like I should be in a Pantene commercial. Women never ever say stuff like that...

Anyone else have anything else?


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RE: The Awesomeness of Male Subs - 2/20/2010 7:02:32 AM   
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My last sub was five inches shorter than I but he was so sweet, smart and cuddly.  He helped me organize my new apartment when I moved two months ago and schlepped a million empty boxes and bags of trash down to the dumpster.

He would tell me I'm hot and sensual.  You're right VC, women would never say stuff like that.

Sure, there are lots and lots of "subs" on this site who are thorns in the sides of all the Dominas but every once in a while I find a little gem in that big pile of s**t. 


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RE: The Awesomeness of Male Subs - 2/20/2010 7:57:23 AM   
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I don't think anyone here hates male subs as a whole. A lot of us are in relationships with one after all. Mine's a sweet guy a few inches taller than me who gladly puts some things for himself aside daily just to make me happy.  We laugh together, we work hard together, and we explore together. With the right guy this sort of thing can be wonderful. 

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RE: The Awesomeness of Male Subs - 2/20/2010 9:13:43 AM   
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I've been attempting to patch together some of my more inspired notes and journal entries over the past *mumble mumble* years in the scene to make some kind of coherent essay on the subject of what D/s means to me.   The bottom line is that male submission is magnificently beautiful, and it moves me more deeply than anything else in this world can.  Without it, my life would have far less beauty and meaning, and I would grieve for the loss of what to me is true love.  Anything else can only be a pallid and distant imitation, a hollow mockery of the real intimacy of owning and belonging.

Here's a relevant bit.  I've posted a few of the snippets here and elsewhere before, so some of it may look familiar.  You may find it TL;DR, and that's fine.  Let it go when it starts sounding boring to you, or like somebody else's mental masturbation.  I write mostly for me and mine, and if anyone else can find anything relevant to themselves in it, that's all right as well.  It is my personal tribute to the beauty and grace of the male submissive, and a celebration of the joy that male submission brings to my life.


The sacred paradox of dominance and submission is seldom very clearly understood, except by those for whom its passions already pound through their deepest blood tides.   For me, it is the perfect storm of desire.   Serotonin. Dopamine. Oxytocin. Opioid neuropeptides.  Hypothalamic neurons discharging their chemical lightning into willing receptors.  This is the chemistry of love, and it is also the chemistry of pain and religious ecstasy.  Like hot molten metal in the alchemical crucible, it is the soul-stuff of transformation and transcendence.

Even beyond the intensity of the moment, these are the things I know to be true in the deepest core of me.  Love to me is the awesome commitment of total physical trust, the gifts of body and soul given and received, desire fierce enough to leave its mark on willing flesh. Romance is the security of real bondage, knowing that you are valued enough to be literally held, and you value your partner enough to restrain him.  In the absence of these things, there is no real intimacy.   Yet I have had partners who did not feel or believe quite the same things, and the result was a deep and unhealing wound.

Intellectually, one can understand that some people are simply different in their languages of love. Emotionally, you feel abandoned, and lost, and very much alone. The blow to your self esteem can be a heavy one - what is wrong with you that your lover does not want you this way, does not trust you enough to give you the gift of himself?  The answer is nothing, but you cannot believe. And the hurt goes on, at least until you are lucky enough to find a partner who speaks the same native tongue.  Fortunately, I have also been so lucky.

I am in awe of the courage that it must take to submit with willingness and grace.  It inspires me to strive for greatness within myself, so that I may remain completely worthy of such a gift.  Simultaneously humbled and enobled by pain and passion, he becomes a rare and beautiful creature that defies any simple description.

Were there any such thing as a shop of ancient and magical curiosities that could only be found by the most perceptive and dedicated of seekers, invisible to casual passers-by, one that sold djinn bottles and dragons in gold and silver chains and black feathers from the wings of fallen angels, that would surely be the place where I once found him.

It is considered unwise for past customers to give any address to those who have not yet seen, or to speak more clearly of the mysteries that may lie in wait on those dusty shelves. Or of the proprietor, whose eyes are like twin coals of burned rubies in an impossibly beautiful face. And behind him, some say they have seen the whispering ghosts of faded wings.

But of course there is no such place, no shop of myth and magic that grants the deepest wishes of one's hidden heart. And once you have seen it, once you too have found your heart's desire there, this is what you also must say.  And what you find there, you must keep.

There are oceans in his eyes, and sometimes I think I could drown in them. Their salinity is in equal parts of love and fear, adoration and intimidation. Impossible not to plunge into them, to explore the fascination of their depths, and to be caught in their dark undertow. There is no defense against utter surrender.

Formidable, the hold he has over me when he is naked and trembling and vulnerable. I cannot look away; my eyes are locked into place as securely as his collar. Powerless and surrendered, he is totally powerful, totally compelling. The grace and beauty of him at times is enough to break my heart, and to make it whole again.

He is John Barleycorn, consort and sacrifice. He is brutally degraded and taken for the most profane of uses, and thus a god worthy of worship and reverence. Crucified in leather, his flesh is violated and sanctified, celebrated and decorated by the bright blood roses of our passion. His body is the altar at which I worship. It is the sacred paradox, and it is the deepest truth and the greatest beauty that I can know in this life.

I am the respectful penitent and the savage goddess, and the scourge rises and falls to glorify as much as to humble. I am as deeply reverent as I am merciless to the sacrifice. Dea gratias, forever and ever, amen.

The sheer intensity of taking a consenting submissive and making him hurt and cry and suffer for me, the power and passion that is as hot and raw as the living hearts the Aztecs once tore from the chest of a willing sacrifice, that is what feeds me and fuels the flames of my desire. The naked vulnerability of him afterwards, when he trembles and cannot stand, and his eyes are so wide and dark and full that they look bruised. These are the things I am awed by and profoundly grateful for. And my eyes must be a mirror to his, I think, for this is the altar at which I worship.

It excites me, his willingness to be utterly naked and rawly vulnerable. It is for me, all for me. He is mine. He trembles on my chain and gasps for breath between hard slaps and caresses as gentle as a whisper, savage kisses and bites that leave him bruised and whimpering. I break his skin. Bright blood rubies, the most precious jewels of all, his unreserved gift to me. Who among us would not be moved?

He offers me the blank canvas of his skin and lets me paint it in cerulean and crimson. I could ask for no better present.  The jewels I like best are the bright strings of tiny ruby beads that are born in the wake of my blade, etched into beautifully yielding flesh.  There are no flowers as lovely as the delicate rose petals that bloom on his white sheets after a heavy caning.  He bleeds for me.  There is no greater love than this.

Sonnet for Slave

Held fast by steel, you know the soft caress
This paradox transcendent and rare
The hand that closes fiercely in your hair
Claiming past consent with strange and savage tenderness
Painting passion crimson on your breast
Yet says your name as softly as a prayer.
I mark your willing flesh to write the things I should not dare
And hope you hear what I shall there confess
In the leather's kiss, for how can I say
"I love you" any other way?

- Lady N.

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RE: The Awesomeness of Male Subs - 2/20/2010 9:31:18 AM   
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Thanks for starting this thread VC.

The bottom line, if I didn't adore a good obedient boy, I wouldn't be here. You bring up some amazing examples....

In my real life, some of the beautiful moments that I remember special boys doing are:
  • offering to carry all my packages for me as his Queen should never have to do this
  • always opening doors, helping me with my coat, tending to my chair when sitting, etc.
  • tending to my needs and ensure my comfort (ie: at restaurants, letting the waiter know that "the Lady would like... ")
  • chauffeuring me around so that I might get my errands done and not worry about parking
  • picking me up at the airport when I come back from a business trip just so that I don't have to deal with the hassle of luggage and taxi cabs
  • noticing when home maintenance things needed to be done and just doing them, without prompting (ie: noticing the step on my front porch is wobbly and bringing his tools to fix it)
  • having my favorite things at his place to ensure my comfort (ie: the kind of coffee I like in the morning, a bottle of my hand lotion, etc)
  • giving me a full body massage after a rough week, letting me sleep for an hour and then following it up by a light dinner of champagne and caviar
  • whisking me away to another city to surprise with tickets to see my favorite opera by one of the most brilliant opera companies
And so much, much, much more... I do appreciate everything a boy does for me and I let him know this and show them how much I adore them regularly.

- LA

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RE: The Awesomeness of Male Subs - 2/20/2010 10:25:07 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

Thanks for starting this thread VC.

The bottom line, if I didn't adore a good obedient boy, I wouldn't be here. You bring up some amazing examples....

In my real life, some of the beautiful moments that I remember special boys doing are:
  • offering to carry all my packages for me as his Queen should never have to do this
  • always opening doors, helping me with my coat, tending to my chair when sitting, etc.
  • tending to my needs and ensure my comfort (ie: at restaurants, letting the waiter know that "the Lady would like... ")
  • chauffeuring me around so that I might get my errands done and not worry about parking
  • picking me up at the airport when I come back from a business trip just so that I don't have to deal with the hassle of luggage and taxi cabs
  • noticing when home maintenance things needed to be done and just doing them, without prompting (ie: noticing the step on my front porch is wobbly and bringing his tools to fix it)
  • having my favorite things at his place to ensure my comfort (ie: the kind of coffee I like in the morning, a bottle of my hand lotion, etc)
  • giving me a full body massage after a rough week, letting me sleep for an hour and then following it up by a light dinner of champagne and caviar
  • whisking me away to another city to surprise with tickets to see my favorite opera by one of the most brilliant opera companies

And so much, much, much more... I do appreciate everything a boy does for me and I let him know this and show them how much I adore them regularly.

- LA


I have experienced most of what LA lists above. I love and appreciate it all, especially a massage after a hard day. I also enjoy being handed my cocktail by a nude, collared, sub on his knees, head down.. yum!

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RE: The Awesomeness of Male Subs - 2/20/2010 11:04:53 AM   
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You are spot on! I love men who are physically and emotionally aroused by a dominant woman!!!! I thank my lucky stars every day the male sex drive is what it is.

When you hear people making fun of submissive men they aren't talking about submissive men. Who their picking on are do-me bottom-subs who looking for a quick domination scene from ANY mistress who'll oblige. The submissive men that I personally know are emotionally mature, intelligent, well-rounded Gentlemen. Big difference between these types of men.

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RE: The Awesomeness of Male Subs - 2/20/2010 11:13:59 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MsHValentine

You are spot on! I love men who are physically and emotionally aroused by a dominant woman!!!! I thank my lucky stars every day the male sex drive is what it is.

When you hear people making fun of submissive men they aren't talking about submissive men. Who their picking on are do-me bottom-subs who looking for a quick domination scene from ANY mistress who'll oblige. The submissive men that I personally know are emotionally mature, intelligent, well-rounded Gentlemen. Big difference between these types of men.



Quoted for truth.

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RE: The Awesomeness of Male Subs - 2/20/2010 11:37:43 AM   
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I do like to jump into these threads on occasion to dispel these myths.

Much of what is listed here is normal human interaction.

As a Dom I have picked my sub up at the airport. I have held open doors for her. I have carried items that were too heavy, fixed things at her place, I have gone out of my way to get her things that she enjoys, cooked dinner and have even been known to give a back rub or two.

However, she provides me with what I want as well. For the most part, my demands go unquestioned. That is the difference.

It is not some corny Aztec nonsense. It is not captured in sound bites. It simply is.

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RE: The Awesomeness of Male Subs - 2/20/2010 11:43:04 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

I do like to jump into these threads on occasion to dispel these myths.

Much of what is listed here is normal human interaction.

As a Dom I have picked my sub up at the airport. I have held open doors for her. I have carried items that were too heavy, fixed things at her place, I have gone out of my way to get her things that she enjoys, cooked dinner and have even been known to give a back rub or two.


In which case, if I met you I would probably think you were awesome too...
The point of the thread is to 'dispel the myth' that the women on this board hate male subs in some way...

There is room in our hearts for you too, Domi, ok?

now say the bit about the cooking and the backrubs again...


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RE: The Awesomeness of Male Subs - 2/20/2010 11:54:15 AM   
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but what so many view as being subly behavior is nothing more than typical interaction between decent folks.

What does having someone do all of your biddings have to do with liking or hating someone?

Doesn't make any sense.

The real way you show that you care about someone is through your actions.

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RE: The Awesomeness of Male Subs - 2/20/2010 11:54:47 AM   
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quote:

The point of the thread is to 'dispel the myth' that the women on this board hate male subs in some way...


That is exactly how I saw this thread too. I've always been a big believer that regardless of whether I was dating a Dom, a sub, a switch or a more vanilla variety of man, I would have the exact same expectations about the way they treat me.

The only distinction in this dynamic is that he follows my lead, obeys me and I do sadistic things to him. Simple.

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RE: The Awesomeness of Male Subs - 2/20/2010 11:56:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy
It is not some corny Aztec nonsense. It is not captured in sound bites. It simply is.


Your experiences and feelings are yours.  My experiences and feelings are mine. If you don't think mine are valid for you, that's not surprising, as you are visiting a place that was never intended to give support or validation to your particular D/s orientation.  And if you feel you need to attack or insult those different feelings or ways of expressing them, I suggest you think harder about what it means to be a visitor.

The experiences people may share in a female dominant forum are not always going to be relevant to you, and you shouldn't expect them to be. You are an outside guest here.  You may or may not be a welcome guest.  That depends on how you interact with others whose fundamental views of D/s are different from your own.  If you think that yours are right and everyone else's are nonsense, and you feel obligated to point this out on a forum that was never intended to support your personal views, you might want to re-think why you're here.  


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RE: The Awesomeness of Male Subs - 2/20/2010 12:00:18 PM   
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(Edited: Nevermind. It will fall on deaf ears.)

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RE: The Awesomeness of Male Subs - 2/20/2010 12:03:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

but what so many view as being subly behavior is nothing more than typical interaction between decent folks.


Many of the things listed on this thread I don't see as being particularly 'subly', but it's still hot when subs do them-there's a difference between someone carrying my bag automatically, and someone saying 'please can I carry your bag?' with a hopeful look in their eyes-it's not just the actions; the context is important too.

quote:

What does having someone do all of your biddings have to do with liking or hating someone?

Doesn't make any sense.

The real way you show that you care about someone is through your actions.


I agree with the bolded part completely. If I'm honest I'm not really the 'do my biddings' type, so someone else is going to have to help me out here...


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RE: The Awesomeness of Male Subs - 2/20/2010 12:04:33 PM   
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One would hope human relationships were more than one person making another person's life easier. On the other hand, if a man could earn a benefit index number calculating his usefulness and generous attitude, and then register it with some kind of corporate authority --- it might streamline the courtship process. Anyone with a low number could simply be lumped into the "asshole" category.

You should have been here when the arguments about support roles (being helpful) and submission (obedience) -- "subly behavior" as you term it -- were batted about as "female qualities" on the "forced masculinity thread." You've never seen women wanting "masculine" men get so upset. That was beyond funny.

Parting shot: If a malesub depended on the CMMB for his self esteem, he'd be in trouble. (Although that is probably true for any msg board.) Dissent, off beat kinks, and independent views are not well tolerated. VC started this thread, but in another post she went out of her way to name the "good malesubs" here. How is that for orthodoxy? Reminds me of the days of when one was either a good or bad communist back in the USSR.





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RE: The Awesomeness of Male Subs - 2/20/2010 12:07:37 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Parting shot: If a malesub depended on the CMMB for his self esteem, he'd be in trouble. (Although that is probably true for any msg board.) Dissent, off beat kinks, and independent views are not well tolerated. VC started this thread, but in another post she went out of her way to name the "good malesubs" here. How is that for orthodoxy? Reminds me of the days of when one was either a good or bad communist back in the USSR.


That was never supposed to be an authoritative or exhaustive list-just my opinion of some of the men on these boards who I love to see posting...

eta: In my book, dissent and independent views are fine. You don't have to agree with me for me to like you. Offbeat kinks are fine-I avoid threads about kinks I am uninterested in.

What isn't fine is a bad attitude-this is supposed to be a positive thread. These are supposed to be positive boards. And yet, other than the thread you started about the figure skater, I don't think I have ever seen you make a positive post, Cloudboy...


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RE: The Awesomeness of Male Subs - 2/20/2010 12:10:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer

quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy
It is not some corny Aztec nonsense. It is not captured in sound bites. It simply is.


Your experiences and feelings are yours.  My experiences and feelings are mine. If you don't think mine are valid for you, that's not surprising, as you are visiting a place that was never intended to give support or validation to your particular D/s orientation.  And if you feel you need to attack or insult those different feelings or ways of expressing them, I suggest you think harder about what it means to be a visitor.

The experiences people may share in a female dominant forum are not always going to be relevant to you, and you shouldn't expect them to be. You are an outside guest here.  You may or may not be a welcome guest.  That depends on how you interact with others whose fundamental views of D/s are different from your own.  If you think that yours are right and everyone else's are nonsense, and you feel obligated to point this out on a forum that was never intended to support your personal views, you might want to re-think why you're here.  



As an Aztec warrior I will tread where I please. I will comment on the injustices and ridiculous notions that plague our rich and wonderful Mexican landscape and heritage. I am not a guest nor a visitor, my people have lived, died and toiled on these lands long before the arrival of you pale faces and your distorted views on all things community related.

We are but a simple people who see things as they are and do not make grandiose statements to attempt to further our agenda.

If it wasn't for that fucking Cortez you would all be my slaves.

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RE: The Awesomeness of Male Subs - 2/20/2010 12:16:45 PM   
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I see healthy kink as a spice applied to compassion and caring that makes everything much yummier.  I see unhealthy kink as a boulder that stands in the way of someone giving or receiving compassion and caring.

The day-to-day mechanics of most relationships might look more or less the same.  How each relationship tastes, though, might be vastly different.


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RE: The Awesomeness of Male Subs - 2/20/2010 12:29:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy
We are but a simple people who see things as they are and do not make grandiose statements to attempt to further our agenda.


Really? This is an attempt to further an agenda? 

quote:

LadyNTrainer:
I write mostly for me and mine, and if anyone else can find anything relevant to themselves in it, that's all right as well. It is my personal tribute to the beauty and grace of the male submissive, and a celebration of the joy that male submission brings to my life. 


If you feel the need to insult other people's feelings and experiences, when they are shared with absolutely no other claim or pretense, you are an ass.  Usually you're a pretty funny ass, but when you have to stoop to knocking other people's personal views to make a joke, it's no credit to you.  You can do better than that.


quote:

domiguy:
I am not a guest nor a visitor


So you're either a female dominant or submissive to one?  Nice to know.  I guess we must have misjudged you all along.

PS - I'm not a paleface.  But you know what they say about assumptions.

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