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RE: Downshifting....suggestions???? - 3/29/2006 7:19:20 AM   
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To begin with I wish you well on your recovery!

To add to all the wonderful thoughts here just remember that many times people are more than willing to help and even relish the chance especially when you have done so much else for others. We sometimes forget that many around us actually feel left out during those times when we wont let them help. This convalescence will serve to strengthen the bonds of friendship and family. Rest, get well and always have a wonderful word for those helping as that will truly make them feel you appreciate their care and concern. This is your gift and not burden to them!

 Best wishes on your recovery! 

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RE: Downshifting....suggestions???? - 3/29/2006 7:25:25 AM   
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Firstly, get well soon. I hope everything works out well for you in these matters.

To answer you directly: The first rule is to protect "the property." Sometimes you have to make yourself first priority or you can't achieve other things in your life, and it sounds like you've hit that kind of barrier. So to be useful to your master, or a future master, you have to take care of yourself first and foremost right now. kyraofMists has effectively identified the same reply by means of other words.

Think of yourself as first slave or submissive. To better serve again in the long-term others may have to serve you now in the short-term. Even a master can serve a favored wench or find service for her. From a practical viewpoint, it's better and easier to heal a good submissive than to go out, find, and retrain a new one.

I tried to keep my reply in the generic, apply the particulars to your specific situation.

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RE: Downshifting....suggestions???? - 3/29/2006 8:56:53 AM   
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You have my sympathy.Wish i could offer helpful suggestions but i think we are a lot in that i was also always the care giver. Never did learn to sit and care for myself. I was a great nurse but a horrible patient. Sounds like you need a Dom/Domme to keep you still. So from my heart, if you wish to come here so our favorite Dom -Domme couple keeps you in line, on my part you are more than welcome. Glad to see you doing better, they were both worried about you. 

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RE: Downshifting....suggestions???? - 3/29/2006 9:35:47 AM   
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Thank you all for the wonderful replies. You know, I never took the time to look at if from some of the viewpoints that have been expressed here....especially the one of being selfish for not letting others give back to me. I have seen so much wisdom in the replies here....and so much from the heart. I have printed these pages and plan to continue referring back to them as I go along in my recovery. Thank you all.

While I was in the hospital, my son and his girlfriend came to my home and did a thorough spring cleaning. They did all kinds of special little things that made it feel sooooo good to come home to....a little rearranging, some very creative decorating ideas....fresh potpourri and flowers. I walked in and I just cried for all of the trouble they had gone to for me. I felt as though I had burdened them with worry and work and I know that their lives are busy and full.

My son's girlfriend came this morning to visit and share with me an idea for some new curtains that she would like to make for me out of spare sheets that match my bedding. I told her how I felt and apologized to her for taking up so much time and trouble right now and promised that I would soon be on my feet and doing once again for them and everyone else. She looked at me and said "Did you ever think that just maybe we did this because we WANTED to give you back just a little of what you've given....and that it made us happy to do it?" She went on to say that when times are good we all have a tendency to take what we have for granted...and expect it will always just be there. She said that everyone had to look right into the face of the very real possibility that I was no longer going to be right there and that when that happens....it wakes you up and you take a hard look at what you have and suddenly appreciate it much more.

So many instances like that right now....friends and family members who have gone far out of their way to be supportive and comforting to me. Everyone with busy lives of their own to live who have taken out precious time to be here for me. I don't know how I can ever thank them all enough...and all they really seem to want is for me to get well and continue to be a part of their lives.

So yes, you folks are right and it is I who is coming from the flawed perspective. It is going to take some real adjustment on my part but I am going to try to accept things for what they are right now and realize that it's ok when there are things that are beyond my control or abilities. I am going to learn how to let go and appreciate the smiles of satisfaction that giving of themselves brings to the faces of others.

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  It would maybe be nice mist..you have someone warn us something is wrong and you are in the hospital and now you are here writing of your plight . Maybe explain to us... the people who you supposidly trust enough to lock their brain into your bait.... to be forth coming and let us now what is going on.
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You're right Brightspot...an answer to the mystery is most likely deserved. I can assure you though, that I was not trying to engage anyone's brain with my bait...or gather sympathy or pity from the throngs here on the boards. When all of this unfolded I mentioned to my girlfriend that I was in conversation with several people here on the boards and was concerned how my lack of response would appear to them. To be honest, I am not certain which of us came up with the idea of the fairly generic post....but she is a very good friend of mine and I ultimately left it in her hands and am pleased with how it ultimately played out....it was heartwarming and comforting to know that I had the prayers of others.

I have not gone into great detail about what is wrong for several reasons. First and foremost, this has been a monumentally life changing event for me and quite frankly, I am still adjusting to it. Secondly, I have never been the type who needs to know all of the intimate details of a person's illness....just knowing that they are sick is good enough reason for me to say a prayer for them...so I guess that I just didn't realize that others may need more. Third, it really is something that feels very personal to me, although if sharing it may save someone else from the same fate than it is certainly worth the embarassment of relating.

Just over three months ago I had a bout of what I thought was a stomach flu. All of the usual plus pain in my lower left and some fever. It resolved in three days so I didn't put much thought into it. About a week to 10 days later I developed an abcess on my abdomen directly over the spot where the pain had been. To be honest, I didn't really connect the two events.

About a month and a half ago I once again seemed to have the same bug...same symptoms...same pain. Resolved in three days time. Once again, 7 to 10 days later...abcess on my abdomen. This time I admit I wondered if the two could be connected and most likely should have gone to see the doc....but the fear of what bad news it might be kept me from going. Stupid I know, but all I could think was that I don't have the luxury of time to be sick....who would take care of my folks if I had to take time?

A couple of weeks ago...same illness...but instead of resolving it just gradually got worse. After six days of it not getting any better I finally gave in and went to get checked out. I really expected an antibiotic and a stern warning to not neglect symptoms in such a manner. Instead I got emergency surgery. It appears that illness three months ago was caused by a perforated colon. For three months the toxins have been leaking into my system and brewing a mega infection.

The doctor told me that he estimated that by the time that I got to him I most likely had no more than 48 hours before death. He had to basically fillet me like a fish, take all of my internal organs out to clean and clean my abdominal cavity. There was little left of my sigmoid colon...it had basically disintegrated. The infection was far too severe to just simply put it all back together so I am blessed with a colostomy now....thank goodness they assure me it is reversible and something that I only have to deal with for the next 6 months...or until they are sure the infection has been adequately dealt with and that there has been enough healing. At that point they will go back in and reverse the entire process.

Lesson? It doesn't pay to procrastinate when it comes to medical issues. I have always done this thinking if I just give my body time to heal itself it will....let nature take it's course kind of thing. I have used the excuse of not liking doctors or hospitals...but who does right? Well, as I have just learned....sometimes it won't resolve itself and waiting can be extremely dangerous.

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RE: Downshifting....suggestions???? - 3/29/2006 9:47:17 AM   
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Yup, I've read a lot of articles about how women tend to die earlier or have more severe problems because they don't want to be seen as weak or don't want to burden others or feel they can't take the time away from other things to be sick.

I'm as guilty as anyone of that- you had to pretty much be near dying before you went to a doctor.  This was partly due to money and insurance issues and partly ridiculous southern stubbornness.  Thanks for being a real life example of how important it is to let others help when we need it.

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RE: Downshifting....suggestions???? - 3/29/2006 9:48:07 AM   
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Hello There,

I can understand just how you feel. When I donated a kidney to someone I couldn't lift 5lbs for two months after it. That even eliminated me from picking up a gallon of milk or a pot of spagetti. I also felt like I was failing at my self imposed duties and the need to depend on people made me nuts at first.
In digging deeply into myself I found my big problem with having to lean on others was the fear they would drop me. It was my insecurity of feeling like I had to depend on someone other than myself that terrified me. If I was carrying myself and others I had faith I could make it through anything. When I had others carry me I was afraid I'd fall or have the rug pulled out from under me. I don't like having to trust or depend on anyone other than myself as the people I loved in my life had fallen short of their duties and I'd been hurt.
In this two month period I learned many lessons that have changed me. I learned to be more patient, to let go of control, to trust others did want to help me, and that I don't have to do everything myself.
I pray what ever your medical situation is that you recover & get well ASAP. I also pray that in leaning on others you see how much you really do matter to them.
Good Luck,
Suzanne

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RE: Downshifting....suggestions???? - 3/29/2006 10:03:03 AM   
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Others have said it well. Let me just add, if you can't do the physical things you want, maybe during your recovery you can do some mental service like research on topics of interest to your dom, financial planning, meal planing, reading on BDSM topics, etc. Wishing you a speedy recovery.

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RE: Downshifting....suggestions???? - 3/29/2006 10:20:49 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: brightspot




It would maybe be nice mist..you have someone warn us something is wrong and you are in the hospital and now you are here writing of your plight . Maybe explain to us... the people who you supposidly trust enough to lock their brain into your bait.... to be forth coming and let us now what is going on.
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Ok this is the first time and probly the last time i am  posting here. Mistoferin said she was in the hospital and that she was sick with a life threatening illness. The ppl who asked me got her phonenumber from the hospital to talk to her in person in the hospital. Accussing  that she is baiting or doing this for attention is just rude in my eyes.Now she posted for the world to see that she has a colostomy and what i seen from ppl here it will bite her in the ass.

Nice going, maybe a personal email would off been more appropriate in that matter

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RE: Downshifting....suggestions???? - 3/29/2006 10:51:55 AM   
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Best wishes to you during your recovery.

I think everyone had made it clear that you must first take care of yourself...

I too am one that could never ask for help.  In some ways, i deemed it a sign of weakness on my part to do so.  Funny i never thought it weak of those who asked for my help.  We are often times harder on ourselves. 

What i have learned is at the times we do need help, our true friends step up to the plate.  It sure weeds out the ones that were just hanging around for what we could do for them.  Look around and feel fortunate to have these people.  These are the people who don't expect anything in return except for you to be well again.  And that is how you repay them.

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RE: Downshifting....suggestions???? - 3/29/2006 3:16:33 PM   
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Erin:  I know you wanted that information to be personal, but you really have helped others by writing about your illness.   If I had the same symptoms you did I probably would have done the same and waited to see the doctor.  I am being sincere when I say that you could save a life by being open. 
I do not think brightspot was being rude by asking, I think we all want to learn from each other.  Heck, in this lifestyle we don't have much to be embarrassed about.    So, again, take care and hope you feel strong again soon.

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RE: Downshifting....suggestions???? - 3/29/2006 3:39:06 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LMsdevotedone
...and what i seen from ppl here it will bite her in the ass.


Well, it's Erin's decision to reveal her health concerns publicly or not, right? And while she has stated that her condition is reversible and recoverable, if she ends up with longer-term issues because of this stuff any possible play partner would have to know about that up front anyway. If anyone she was involved with here is bothered by this new information Erin is better off without them at this point. This is how her life is going, these are the issues with which she contends - people can either step up, or step off.

BTW, mistoferin doesn't even have to try for my attention - I have her listed as one of my favorites and I make a point of reading her forum posts regardless of topic. I think we had a small contentious exchange maybe once, but I otherwise find her words to be worth gold in the general flow of things. Admiring her from afar as I do, she seems like a really great lady.

Intelligent, wise, pretty, sexy - the guys in MI need to prick up their ears and start paying mistoferin some attention. What gives with that?


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RE: Downshifting....suggestions???? - 3/29/2006 3:52:38 PM   
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Thank you sweetpleaser, I appreciate very much what you have had to say. I hope that everyone will see that when devotion posted she was coming from the perspective of someone who has had a very long week taking care of a friend. She has been there for me through every moment of this and I am quite certain she is trying to spare me from any further pain at a time when she knows that I have had just about all I can take. She is a dear friend who regularly puts herself out to help others and I feel more than blessed that she is in my life.

It is a very personal thing...but as you said, sharing it could possibly save someone from the same fate. I have always been very open about myself here on these boards and to not do so now would be very far outside of my character. This event has not changed who I am....I may be a bit different now...physically on a temporary basis and emotionally...well I am sure that like all of life's other lessons I will grow as a result of this one too.

As LA said, we tend to put ourselves last. We make excuses or use reasons such as she said, insurance and money....to the detriment of our own health. Believe me, when they told me what it was they wanted to do to me...even on a temporary basis....I was devestated. It is personal and it is embarassing. But one look into the face of my son, my Mom, my Dad and I knew there was no choice. You play the cards you get dealt and right now I'm not real happy with the hand I have....but I still have to play. Better days ahead though...of that I do have faith. Thank you once again.

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RE: Downshifting....suggestions???? - 3/29/2006 4:09:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

The doctor told me that he estimated that by the time that I got to him I most likely had no more than 48 hours before death. He had to basically fillet me like a fish, take all of my internal organs out to clean and clean my abdominal cavity. There was little left of my sigmoid colon...it had basically disintegrated. The infection was far too severe to just simply put it all back together so I am blessed with a colostomy now....thank goodness they assure me it is reversible and something that I only have to deal with for the next 6 months...or until they are sure the infection has been adequately dealt with and that there has been enough healing. At that point they will go back in and reverse the entire process.



In reassurance, mistoferin, exactly the same thing happened to a relative of mine, both with regard to the waiting until near death and with the colostomy. She was much older than you when it happened, and disbelieving about being able to have the colostomy reversed, but practically six months to the day they did it, and she's been fine since then.

I think you'll have an easier time accepting what others have to do for you if you feel productive, that you're still "doing" for others. So...do you knit? If not, it's a great time to learn! Scarves (or afghans) for everybody!

Edited because the English teacher misplaced a comma, and certainly couldn't live with that! lol


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RE: Downshifting....suggestions???? - 3/29/2006 5:14:57 PM   
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erin:

First of all:  Welcome back !!!

Everyone else has already said it. Sometimes we need to look inward and realize we need to take care of ourselves first for a while.

You know I am a nurse and very familiar with the type of illness and surgery you had.  Stand Tall, girl !! You are far ahead of most people who have gone thru this. Even your MD said so. Take pride in your inner strength and your perserverance.

Like so much in life, the road to recovery begins in the mind.

You may need a little help at the moment, and maybe for a little while.. but look at all  the people who are there for you giving it to you. They are a reflection of all you have given them over the years. Try to look on it as you are still giving to them and doing for them.. you are giving them a great gift: A chance to share a fragile moment in time and actively be participants in bringing you back to where you were.

Sometimes our caretaking/giving is passive and sometimes it is active. Both are significant. We all need to feel needed, now is their time to be needed. The same pleasure you get from it, you are allowing others to have. In as much as they are taking care of you, you are taking care of them also, by allowing them to travel with you in this journey. Who cares who carries the suitcase? This is just one journey, you can carry the suitcases next trip

                    Hugs,
                   mia

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RE: Downshifting....suggestions???? - 3/29/2006 7:14:48 PM   
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Hello Mist..I hope you will be feeling better soon..The only thing I can say,as you have recieved so much from everyone here is to consider this..If there was an OP on here saying what you have said ...What would be your advice to her?...And then proceed to take it....hugs..Tempting...:0)

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RE: Downshifting....suggestions???? - 3/29/2006 7:27:36 PM   
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Thank you Chaingang...what a boost!!!! Although I must admit...sexy is about the last thing I am feeling at the moment...lol. As I said, devotions post was her way of standing up for me, her friend. Trying to protect me. For that I am grateful. She knows that I normally have tough skin...but she knows more than most that right now I am just a little raw.

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RE: Downshifting....suggestions???? - 3/29/2006 7:49:03 PM   
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quote:

i was also always the care giver. Never did learn to sit and care for myself. I was a great nurse but a horrible patient. Sounds like you need a Dom/Domme to keep you still.


Just had a thought. As much as is physcially practical try bondage...I know stop laughing. It may help your mindset of being served if you are cuffed or chained in place even if it's one hand and attached to nothing. This way you're being "forced & bound" to accept what your body needs.
Make sure that you're journaling and talking to your master about your feelings. Taking up a hobby helps to pass the time. There are also online classes that might help you to feel like you're accomplishing something. I had knee replacement a few years ago and learned to crochet right before because the doctor told me that I would be totally bedridden for 2 weeks. Friends that came by would bring me yarn. When all was said and done I had an afgan that you must double over on the king sized bed to make it fit. .
This is one of those times where being good to yourself is most important. If you feel badly make notes in your journal of what you would like to do for that person...keep it small and be practical. Try thinking of things that you CAN do and focus on that. Crafts, order in dinner as a suprise instead of having master cook, make cards, scrapbook the good times, darn holes in socks...whatever you find that you can accomplish when you're feeling ok that doesn't require over doing it.

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