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Are the Rich Getting Richer? The Data Say Yes - 2/22/2010 12:39:01 AM   
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Obviously this means we need more tax cuts, especially for the top 5% who grace us with their divine superiority. They deserve to double their income again, don't they?

Are the Rich Getting Richer? The Data Say Yes
By CHARLES HUGH SMITH Posted 8:00 AM 02/21/10 Economy

As DailyFinance recently reported, a new study found that the recession's blows have fallen most heavily on lower-wage households. The study's subtitle says it all: "A Truly Great Depression Among the Nation's Low Income Workers Amidst Full Employment Among the Most Affluent."

On the opposite end of the spectrum, a new analysis of Internal Revenue Service data shows that over the last two decades, the wealthiest households in America experienced exploding income even as their tax burdens fell dramatically. And the recession has barely touched these lucky few.

The reasons behind this imbalance aren't hard to find. Mainstream economists have long noted that automation and offshoring have resulted in massive job losses for the less educated, while government workers and the highly educated have secured high-paying employment that's largely protected from the effects of globalization.

Corporate Strategies Reduce Costs

Apple (AAPL) offers a classic example of the globalization phenomenon known as "wage arbitrage." Back in 1985, the company assembled its Macintosh computers in the northern reaches of Silicon Valley. Indeed, a photo of the assembled factory workers was included in the computer's box along with the manuals.

Now Apple's iPods and iPhones are manufactured overseas, while the software development, management and design are centered in Cupertino, Calif. The wage differential (arbitrage) between manufacturing wages in the U.S. and China has led the company to offshore low-value manufacturing while retaining high-value software, design and marketing functions in the high-wage U.S.

As many have noted, it's Apple's edge in design and software, not its manufacturing capabilities, that have vaulted the company to its elite status as a global powerhouse. Only a sliver of the revenues generated by iPod and iPhone sales goes to the factories in China. This strategy of offshoring low-skill work and paying a premium for high-skill labor has enabled Apple to both increase revenues and generate high profit margins.

Though many decry the decline of manufacturing in the U.S., it's really low-value manufacturing that has been squeezed out. High-value manufacturing (semiconductors, telecom equipment and energy equipment, for example) is actually on the rise.

Manufacturing Shifts, Incomes Follow

The consequences of these long-term trends favoring the financially secure, well-educated (and well-connected) top 20% can be seen in the U.S. Census Bureau's table "Average Income Received by Each Fifth and Top 5 Percent of Families."

The Census Bureau divides household income into quintiles -- 20% each, from the lowest to the highest, with an added column that breaks out the top 5% of households. To assess how well each household quintile has done financially since 1975, I took the raw data for 1975 and 2001 (the last year available in this series) and calculated how much each quintile gained in income, both as a dollar amount and as a percentage of their 1975 income.

The results are striking. The vast majority of income increases has accrued to the top 20% and especially the top 5%. Here are some of the numbers, adjusted into 2001 dollars. (Note that this is an "apples to apples" analysis that is adjusted for inflation.)

Bottom 20%
• 1975 household income: $12,664
• 2001 household income: $14,021
• increase: $1,357
• percentage increase from 1975: 10.7%

Middle 20% (a.k.a. "the middle class")
• 1975 household income: $39,807
• 2001 household income: $51,538
• increase: $11,731
• percentage increase from 1975: 29.4%

Top 20%
• 1975 household income: $91,848
• 2001 household income: $159,644
• increase: $67,796
• percentage increase from 1975: 73.8%

Top 5% (a.k.a. "the wealthy")
• 1975: $134,735
• 2001: $280,312
• increase: $145,577
• percentage increase from 1975: 108%

The consequences of such massive income shifts are readily apparent. A 2009 survey found that 30% of American households earning $100,000 or more a year are living paycheck to paycheck, compared to about 60% of all U.S. households who are living without much of a financial cushion.

Perhaps it's a coincidence, but the fact that 60% of households are living paycheck to paycheck and the fact that the lower 3/5ths (60%) of U.S. households have not gained much ground in the past 35 years is noteworthy.

Not All Assets Are Equal

One factor in this financial decline that's rarely noted is that housing has risen greatly in cost, even when adjusted for inflation. The average home price in 1975 was $158,000 when calculated in 2008 dollars. The average (mean) house price in December 2008 was $301,200 -- almost twice the 1975 cost (90.7% higher).

Only the top 5% of households actually gained enough income to match the rise in housing costs. Even the "upper middle class" in the top 20% of households gained only 74% -- substantially less than the 90% rise in housing. The lower 60% of households' ability to afford a house was essentially destroyed by this asymmetric rise in the cost of housing.

Other data support the conclusion that the financial gains in the U.S. economy have largely accrued to the top 20% of households. Sociologist G. William Dumhoff has drawn an important distinction between the net worth held by households in "marketable assets," such as homes and vehicles, and "financial wealth." The key difference is that homes and other tangible assets are, in Dumhoff's words, "not as readily converted into cash and are more valuable to their owners for use purposes than they are for resale."

Financial wealth such as stocks, bonds and other securities are liquid, and therefore easily converted to cash. These assets are what Dumhoff describes as "non-home wealth" in "Wealth, Income, and Power in America" on his website. As of 2007, the bottom 80% of American households held a mere 7% of these financial assets, while the top 1% held 42.7% and the top 20% held fully 93%.

If we look at these data together, it's clear that the majority of American households have little "non-home wealth" financial cushion, and thus it's no wonder that these same households are often living paycheck to paycheck. While many may be tempted to launch a partisan tirade to "explain" these statistics, trends that stretch back decades are structural in nature. Any comprehensive account must incorporate the complex economic history of the past 35 years.
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RE: Are the Rich Getting Richer? The Data Say Yes - 2/22/2010 12:47:13 AM   
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What would you do if you became rich yourself?

I always ask people that complain about the rich. Here the rich people pay a lott of income tax.
Many also worked hard for their money or have other people working for them ( meaning they are usefull).

I wonder how many remarks towards rich are based on jealousy.

PErsonally I wouldn't mind to be rich..although I have nothing to complain about my current situation.

( the way some get their money is perhaps an other dicussion that is worth to have)

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RE: Are the Rich Getting Richer? The Data Say Yes - 2/22/2010 1:02:06 AM   
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Run for President to reform Washington and provide change which Obama has not delivered.

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RE: Are the Rich Getting Richer? The Data Say Yes - 2/22/2010 1:06:45 AM   
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US super-rich get five times more income than in 1995


The incomes of the very rich in the US grew phenomenally between 1992 and 2007, while their tax rates plummeted, according to recently uncovered IRS statistics.

The report shows that the average income for the top-earning 400 families, denominated in 1990 dollars, grew from $17 million to $87 million, representing a five-fold increase in real terms.

The data shows that these families saw their incomes increase by 31 percent between 2006 and 2007 alone, while the average income of each family reached $345 million.

The amount of money earned by the group more than doubled from 2001, when its members earned on average $131.1 million. In 1993, the top 400 tax return filings amounted on average to $46 million. This means that there was an eight-fold nominal increase in the average earnings for this group between 1993 and 2007.

Meanwhile, the effective tax rate on this group—the amount actually paid in taxes—fell to 16.6 percent, the lowest figure on IRS records dating to 1992.

...The top 400 families actually paid lower taxes compared to other high-income earners. In 2005, the Congressional Budget Office found that the top 1 percent as a whole paid a tax rate of 19.7 percent.

The data further substantiates the highly publicized conclusions of economists Thomas Piketty and Emmanuel Saez, who found that two thirds of income increases between 2002 and 2007 went to the wealthiest 1 percent of society and that income for the top 1 percent grew 10 times faster than that of the bottom 90 percent. Piketty and Saez found that the top 1 percent of earners got a higher share of income in 2007 than at any time since 1928.

The latest figures come amid constant calls by the White House and Congress to cut social programs in order to balance the budget. The federal government, we are told, has been bankrupted by the “profligacy” of social programs and the proportion of social resources allocated to the general population.

But the latest figures show that the opposite is true. It is the rich who have bankrupted the state, with the full assistance of the two big-business parties.
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RE: Are the Rich Getting Richer? The Data Say Yes - 2/22/2010 1:13:07 AM   
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Socialism looks good these days.Real socialism, that is.

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RE: Are the Rich Getting Richer? The Data Say Yes - 2/22/2010 4:52:52 AM   
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Socialism looks good these days.Real socialism, that is.


Sweden!!  You could move to Sweden.  Now, Sweden is not Utopia, they have really strict gun laws but citizens can still own up to 11.  BUT Sweden does have cradle-to-grave welfare and healthcare system, great public transportation and the language is pretty easy to learn.

Sweden also has pretty loose immigration laws.  More restrictive than the US of course but all you need is to secure a job and a place to live and you're golden!

They need English-speaking customer service reps in Stockholm.  Would you like the links?

http://www.jobsinstockholm.com/
http://www.immi.se/migration/control.htm
http://www.sweden.gov.se/

Now I know this isn't a land of Magic.  Sadly, no such place exists on earth.  People cannot simply sit at their computers and wish for things and have those things magically appear.  But Sweden might be a good compromise for you!  Good luck!

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RE: Are the Rich Getting Richer? The Data Say Yes - 2/22/2010 5:10:27 AM   
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It's a combination of truth, misleading reporting, and misuse of statistics.

Note that the author uses means to define income levels.  Anyone with a statistics background knows that medians are the only way to look at highly skewed data such as income levels.  And the author seems to equate higher education with higher income, which creates two separate ways of defining the poor classes - to someone with my background, that's confusing and leads to a loss of clarity.  I suspect the author may have picked and chose data from the two groups as it better supported his thesis. 

The plain and simple truth is that the last ten years have been brutally hard on the middle and poorer classes.  The last 35 were as well.  I'm not sure why he went back 35 years since the big tax cuts he's railing against happened under Clinton and Bush.  I suspect that he's doing it to use the fact that those who weren't homeowners lost out on RE appreciation during that time.

Summary of article: the rich got richer, the poor got poorer, and the tax burden on the rich got less.


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RE: Are the Rich Getting Richer? The Data Say Yes - 2/22/2010 2:19:59 PM   
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Fortunately when I studied to become a public accountant I was compelled to take statistics and working very hard I passed that course with a mark of 89%.  That course was very complicated and a great deal of that information I don't remember; but I remember enough to know that you don't know what you're talking about.  And I know that you don't know how that gentleman did his calculations. I didn't look very hard but I don't see anywhere any detailed discussion about how those numbers were derived.
 
I am not going to spend hours calculating the accuracy of those numbers because I don't have the time and I'm not being paid for it either.  I have no reason to doubt the accuracy of his calculations and as far as I'm concerned those numbers are 100% true until you prove otherwise, which I don't think you can do unless you retain a professor of statistics to do it for you. Nobody can do this unless they work for a government agency or in the private sector doing these calculations every day. It's just not something that people remember how to do it unless you do it all the time.
 
American people need to stop voting for people who are fiscally irresponsible demanding tax cuts as a solution to every problem.  
 
Oh, and to the lady who wants me to move to Sweden, I may move somewhere some day but I can’t leave my family right now.  

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RE: Are the Rich Getting Richer? The Data Say Yes - 2/22/2010 2:23:38 PM   
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the rich get richer and the poor get kids.

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RE: Are the Rich Getting Richer? The Data Say Yes - 2/22/2010 2:28:00 PM   
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The rich get richer because they know how to.

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RE: Are the Rich Getting Richer? The Data Say Yes - 2/22/2010 2:41:17 PM   
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Hmmm, I didn't see you complain in this thread about the number of govt employees expanding or the fact that they on average make twice that of the average private citizen.

Makes for an interesting argument, no? Hey we need to raise more taxes so we can continue to pay ourselves more, oh and we want to hire more folks to take home the same salaries as we do.

It seems the best way to get out of the lower income brackets is to go to work for the government...

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RE: Are the Rich Getting Richer? The Data Say Yes - 2/22/2010 7:07:52 PM   
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The rich get richer because they know how to.


That's not the point. Nor is it necessarily all that true.

The point is that money upon accumulation beyond a certain point acquires radical secondary properties that facilitate its ease in replication.

Without proper regulation, the feedback loop engulfs everything.

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RE: Are the Rich Getting Richer? The Data Say Yes - 2/22/2010 7:08:28 PM   
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Fortunately when I studied to become a public accountant I was compelled to take statistics and working very hard I passed that course with a mark of 89%.  That course was very complicated and a great deal of that information I don't remember; but I remember enough to know that you don't know what you're talking about.  And I know that you don't know how that gentleman did his calculations. I didn't look very hard but I don't see anywhere any detailed discussion about how those numbers were derived.
 
I am not going to spend hours calculating the accuracy of those numbers because I don't have the time and I'm not being paid for it either.  I have no reason to doubt the accuracy of his calculations and as far as I'm concerned those numbers are 100% true until you prove otherwise, which I don't think you can do unless you retain a professor of statistics to do it for you. Nobody can do this unless they work for a government agency or in the private sector doing these calculations every day. It's just not something that people remember how to do it unless you do it all the time.
 
American people need to stop voting for people who are fiscally irresponsible demanding tax cuts as a solution to every problem.  
 
Oh, and to the lady who wants me to move to Sweden, I may move somewhere some day but I can’t leave my family right now.  


Brain, I'm glad to hear that you completed a course in statistics which you say you don't remember much about.  I've been working as a Reliability Engineer, Quality Engineer,Risk Assessment Engineer, and Data Analyst for about 20 years now and use statistics every day.

I never said his figures were wrong.  I did say that his analytical approach was.  A couple of quotes from the Daily Finance article:

1. "In fact, between 1992 to 2007, the annual incomes of this tiny club of über-rich increased seven-fold to a whopping $345 million on average"

2. "Between 1992 to 2007, the last year included in the data, the income of the 400 richest Americans rose 637% to the average $345 million mark."

3. "Just 15 years ago, the 400 richest Americans earned an average of just over $50 million and had an effective tax rate of about 30%. So while the incomes of the 400 richest have increased by seven-fold over that period, their effective tax rate has been cut by over one-third."

That's why I said that he used averages (means) instead of medians.

Brain, I'm an engineer.  Because of that, I distrust statistics if I feel they're not done properly.  The author did two things I disagree with: he used averages inappropriately (in fairness to him, I suspect that income averages are easier to come by than medians), and he used a population that was inconsistently defined - sometimes by income levels and sometimes by education.

I do agree with his basic assertion that the middle and lower classes have gotten squeezed.  I expect it to get worse as credit is clamped down and people are forced to live within their means more.

I see no reason to challenge his assertion that tax rates on the top earners have dropped.  However, I had never known that this was started under Clinton, and thought that Reagan had cut taxes for top earners under trickle-down.


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RE: Are the Rich Getting Richer? The Data Say Yes - 2/22/2010 7:12:07 PM   
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Yes.

What's the problem with that?

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RE: Are the Rich Getting Richer? The Data Say Yes - 2/22/2010 8:54:31 PM   
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Yes.

What's the problem with that?



No problems if you belong to a rich class.

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RE: Are the Rich Getting Richer? The Data Say Yes - 2/22/2010 10:00:59 PM   
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It's a combination of truth, misleading reporting, and misuse of statistics.

Note that the author uses means to define income levels.  Anyone with a statistics background knows that medians are the only way to look at highly skewed data such as income levels.  And the author seems to equate higher education with higher income, which creates two separate ways of defining the poor classes - to someone with my background, that's confusing and leads to a loss of clarity.  I suspect the author may have picked and chose data from the two groups as it better supported his thesis. 

The plain and simple truth is that the last ten years have been brutally hard on the middle and poorer classes.  The last 35 were as well.  I'm not sure why he went back 35 years since the big tax cuts he's railing against happened under Clinton and Bush.  I suspect that he's doing it to use the fact that those who weren't homeowners lost out on RE appreciation during that time.

Summary of article: the rich got richer, the poor got poorer, and the tax burden on the rich got less.

Almost nothing you have here is true while mean and median are far better statistical indicators than average as we all know...they can be skewed. But when one uses simply gross income in groups of population...the number don't lie.  There is nothing misleading or misused at all pertaining to those statistics.

Clinton raised taxes for the top rate from 35% to 39%. I know...it had to be very painful for them but that's ok. The millionaires and billionaires quickly got over it.

Oh and gee unlike so-called conservatives...balanced the budget and actually created a surplus giving the country...the country a golden opportunity to pay off the debt. The conservatives once elected again...said no, let's cut taxes for our rich buddies and ourselves and start two wars and keep them off books. Now that's conservative.

Your summary...sums it up alright. The data is correct, comprehensive and shows you the real fruits of capitalism and plutocracy.

How are these numbers ? Productivity since 1980 has gone up over 30% while incomes went up about 3% and those responsible for the high productivity, i.e., working harder and for more hours...got poorer when measured against inflation. That's your fucking capitalism.

Capitalism is 'moneyism' and is designed to make the rich richer and all of that has to come from somewhere...it's called debt from everybody else. Public & private debt has doubled and credit card debt has quintupled (up 500%) since Reagan and his supply-side chicanery. 

But hey...America as he told us is all about whether or not you're better off than before...not the country or economy as whole and how it serves society. It was all about how it served you and you only. 

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RE: Are the Rich Getting Richer? The Data Say Yes - 2/22/2010 10:04:05 PM   
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while mean and median are far better statistical indicators than average as we all know they can be skewed.



The mean IS the average.


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RE: Are the Rich Getting Richer? The Data Say Yes - 2/22/2010 10:26:56 PM   
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while mean and median are far better statistical indicators than average as we all know they can be skewed.



The mean IS the average.


I did write that wrong, I meant only median.


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RE: Are the Rich Getting Richer? The Data Say Yes - 2/22/2010 10:48:33 PM   
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Socialism looks good these days.Real socialism, that is.


Sweden!!  You could move to Sweden.  Now, Sweden is not Utopia, they have really strict gun laws but citizens can still own up to 11.  BUT Sweden does have cradle-to-grave welfare and healthcare system, great public transportation and the language is pretty easy to learn.

Sweden also has pretty loose immigration laws.  More restrictive than the US of course but all you need is to secure a job and a place to live and you're golden!

They need English-speaking customer service reps in Stockholm.  Would you like the links?

http://www.jobsinstockholm.com/
http://www.immi.se/migration/control.htm
http://www.sweden.gov.se/

Now I know this isn't a land of Magic.  Sadly, no such place exists on earth.  People cannot simply sit at their computers and wish for things and have those things magically appear.  But Sweden might be a good compromise for you!  Good luck!

Let's bring Sweden here...especially all the young blonds. Instead we will be soon like the islands...Asian or Caribbean. Till the fed manages the great devaluation....then poverty, poverty...poverty.


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RE: Are the Rich Getting Richer? The Data Say Yes - 2/23/2010 12:43:29 AM   
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I prefer to use the tools of government to increase the earnings of the average citizen to the level of government employees’ earnings, rather than reduce government employees’ earnings to that of the average citizen.

As far as the number of employees expanding, I think we need to hire as many as necessary for government to function satisfactorily.    



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I didn't see you complain in this thread about the number of govt employees expanding or the fact that they on average make twice that of the average private citizen.


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