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HandcuffBarbie -> RE: getting through rough patches with self-esteem intact (2/23/2010 1:40:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Justme696

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I can't seem to get anything right with my Master


Hmmm, I noticed you overlooked the "seem." That's the key word to me.




HandcuffBarbie -> RE: getting through rough patches with self-esteem intact (2/23/2010 1:41:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Smutmonger
Remember what I said about egocentricity? It creates a sort of self induced blindness.
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ORIGINAL: HandcuffBarbie
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ORIGINAL: Justme696
tell yourself you work hard to please him.
If he is never satisfied...the war is lost....sadly.

I didn't say he's never satisfied! Wow, this is getting old. So far only TWO people have actually read and responded to what I SAID.

This is about MY insecurity; it is not a reflection of his behavior.


Smutmonger, I'm considering putting everyone else on "hide" and just talking to you and subsfaith. Sigh.




Justme696 -> RE: getting through rough patches with self-esteem intact (2/23/2010 1:47:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: HandcuffBarbie


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ORIGINAL: Justme696

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I can't seem to get anything right with my Master


Hmmm, I noticed you overlooked the "seem." That's the key word to me.



tell me which answer you want. I will copy and paste it..so you are satisfied ;)

btw...perhaps the problem is self reflexion..not esteem




HandcuffBarbie -> RE: getting through rough patches with self-esteem intact (2/23/2010 1:50:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Justme696
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ORIGINAL: HandcuffBarbie
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ORIGINAL: Justme696
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I can't seem to get anything right with my Master


Hmmm, I noticed you overlooked the "seem." That's the key word to me.

tell me which answer you want. I will copy and paste it..so you are satisfied ;)

You're missing my point, which is that I used the word "seem" to specify that I am expressing MY PERCEPTION not HIS BEHAVIOR. If you leave out the "seem," then the sentence is about me actually being unable to please my Master, and that is not the case. I am able to please him. But I feel like I am not. That's where the "seem" comes in. Get it?

OK, everyone, let's say it together: this post is about ME, not HIM. (Thank you, Smutmonger, I did hear you saying it.)




HandcuffBarbie -> RE: getting through rough patches with self-esteem intact (2/23/2010 1:52:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Justme696
btw...perhaps the problem is self reflexion..not esteem

Self reflection? Hmm. Not sure what you mean. Can you please elaborate? Thanks.




Justme696 -> RE: getting through rough patches with self-esteem intact (2/23/2010 1:52:30 PM)

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this post is about ME, not HIM.


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What do you do to keep your self-esteem up when you go through stretches like this?


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tell yourself you work hard to please him.




HandcuffBarbie -> RE: getting through rough patches with self-esteem intact (2/23/2010 1:54:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Justme696
tell yourself you work hard to please him.


Oh, I thought this answer was connected to the other one about the war being lost. My bad. I see what you're saying. Thanks.




lucylucy -> RE: getting through rough patches with self-esteem intact (2/23/2010 2:07:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HandcuffBarbie
What do you do to keep your self-esteem up when you go through stretches like this?


  • Remember that it's not personal.
  • Remember that the phase will pass and just as you will forget the details of what you got "wrong," so will he
  • Do something you're good at that has nothing to do with him.
  • Work out.




littlewonder -> RE: getting through rough patches with self-esteem intact (2/23/2010 3:37:10 PM)

Thankfully I've yet to go through this with Master.

I have however had to do it with work, friends, family and it's very very difficult sometimes to keep my self esteem intact.

What I do is take time for myself. Read a good book, go for a walk, go to the salon or spa, pamper myself, buy myself something I've always wanted and pray and of course, talk to Master or a friend and just vent. 9 times out of 10 these things work for me.

My suggestion though is to talk to your Master...calmly and rationally talk to each other and see where the problems may lie with the both of  you.








HandcuffBarbie -> RE: getting through rough patches with self-esteem intact (2/23/2010 3:58:35 PM)

lucylucy and littlewonder, thanks for the thoughtful responses. I'm definitely going to schedule a pedicure and I do have a good book calling my name.




juliaoceania -> RE: getting through rough patches with self-esteem intact (2/23/2010 4:09:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: HandcuffBarbie

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ORIGINAL: Smutmonger
Remember what I said about egocentricity? It creates a sort of self induced blindness.
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ORIGINAL: HandcuffBarbie
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ORIGINAL: Justme696
tell yourself you work hard to please him.
If he is never satisfied...the war is lost....sadly.

I didn't say he's never satisfied! Wow, this is getting old. So far only TWO people have actually read and responded to what I SAID.

This is about MY insecurity; it is not a reflection of his behavior.


Smutmonger, I'm considering putting everyone else on "hide" and just talking to you and subsfaith. Sigh.


Here is the thing... you can put me on ignore if you wish. I was trying to be helpful. I did not attack you or your relationship. I responded to what I felt was the overall tone of your post, which is entitled 'getting through rouigh patches with self esteem intact". I would agree you lack it in many ways, for one instead of getting so defensive about your relationship to the point of putting people who meant you no harm on ignore, perhaps saying "I think I may have worded this incorrectly, this is what I was really saying.." you instead get up in arms and hyper defensive about it... I wonder why?  Are you so insecure in your relationship that any suggestion that the problem maybe with him and not you that you feel so attacked you have to put people on ignore?

You said yourself you were not specific in your OP, you have a new profile, for all I know you regularly post here and do not want anyone to know who you really are... which is no skin off my nose, but at the same time I weighed your new membership into my answer... perhaps I shouldn't of... shrugs...

Here is the thing, railing on us for not understanding your very general OP is not going to solve your issues...

As to your OP... no, rough patches do not hurt my self esteem, being treated poorly does, so I can't help you with your question...

Again, and sincerely, I wish you luck and I hope everything works out well and happily for you... no matter how big or small the issue is




dreamerdreaming -> RE: getting through rough patches with self-esteem intact (2/23/2010 4:15:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: HandcuffBarbie

I'm having one of those stretches where I can't seem to get anything right with my Master. The details don't matter; suffice it to say I seem to be getting on his nerves no matter what I do.

What do you do to keep your self-esteem up when you go through stretches like this? I want to have a pity party, but I know that won't help, and I know this phase will pass.


Stop trying. Disengage.






HandcuffBarbie -> RE: getting through rough patches with self-esteem intact (2/23/2010 4:21:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
Again, and sincerely, I wish you luck and I hope everything works out well and happily for you... no matter how big or small the issue is

Thanks, I appreciate that.





LafayetteLady -> RE: getting through rough patches with self-esteem intact (2/23/2010 5:45:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: HandcuffBarbie

I'm having one of those stretches where I can't seem to get anything right with my Master. The details don't matter; suffice it to say I seem to be getting on his nerves no matter what I do.

What do you do to keep your self-esteem up when you go through stretches like this? I want to have a pity party, but I know that won't help, and I know this phase will pass.


Let's get real here. The word "seem" does not completely change the meaning of a sentence. You can't "seem" to get anything right and you "seem" to be getting on his nerves. Is you getting on his nerves your imagination? Obviously, he is saying or doing something that makes you think you are getting on his nerves.

I agree that your self esteem is low, and likely not caused by him. However, it also isn't being improved by him either. After speaking with him you believe you are administering the enemas wrong. Really not all that many ways to do it. Based on what YOU say is your normal bodily function, if you believe him (after all, since he is "master" he knows all), you will never successfully do it right.

Look, self esteem is a personal issue, but others can "assist" in lowering it. Honestly, you keep saying how this is YOUR problem, and you would like others' advice on how to get through it. You don't like the answers you get, you didn't like the answers you got on the enema thread either (incidentally, there also we told you your "master" needed some basic anatomy education). Yet, you say you are getting on his nerves, then defending him saying it's because he has a stressful life. Apparently, his stress is more important than yours.

It is HIS reaction to the things you are doing that is having an adverse effect on your self esteem. If it is only YOUR perception, it doesn't matter what anyone here says, because we can't fix your self esteem. But if HIS reactions (you getting on his nerves) makes you feel like you can't do anything right, you really should be expressing this to him. If he was as supportive of you as you say he is, you would be able to do that. Apparently, you can't. Pedicures don't increase self esteem. Neither does a new sexy dress or anything else. You can continue to believe this is all about YOU, but when in a relationship, nothing is all about one person, not even in an M/s situation.

ETA: You don't need to put us all on "ignore." There is nifty thing on the other side called "email." You don't want to hear anything that doesn't support what you "think" is the cause, then email the people who give you the answers you want. Otherwise, grow up, put on your big girl panties and deal with it.




HandcuffBarbie -> RE: getting through rough patches with self-esteem intact (2/23/2010 6:43:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady
Let's get real here. The word "seem" does not completely change the meaning of a sentence. You can't "seem" to get anything right and you "seem" to be getting on his nerves. Is you getting on his nerves your imagination? Obviously, he is saying or doing something that makes you think you are getting on his nerves.

I agree that your self esteem is low, and likely not caused by him. However, it also isn't being improved by him either. After speaking with him you believe you are administering the enemas wrong. Really not all that many ways to do it. Based on what YOU say is your normal bodily function, if you believe him (after all, since he is "master" he knows all), you will never successfully do it right.

Look, self esteem is a personal issue, but others can "assist" in lowering it. Honestly, you keep saying how this is YOUR problem, and you would like others' advice on how to get through it. You don't like the answers you get, you didn't like the answers you got on the enema thread either (incidentally, there also we told you your "master" needed some basic anatomy education). Yet, you say you are getting on his nerves, then defending him saying it's because he has a stressful life. Apparently, his stress is more important than yours.

It is HIS reaction to the things you are doing that is having an adverse effect on your self esteem. If it is only YOUR perception, it doesn't matter what anyone here says, because we can't fix your self esteem. But if HIS reactions (you getting on his nerves) makes you feel like you can't do anything right, you really should be expressing this to him. If he was as supportive of you as you say he is, you would be able to do that. Apparently, you can't. Pedicures don't increase self esteem. Neither does a new sexy dress or anything else. You can continue to believe this is all about YOU, but when in a relationship, nothing is all about one person, not even in an M/s situation.

ETA: You don't need to put us all on "ignore." There is nifty thing on the other side called "email." You don't want to hear anything that doesn't support what you "think" is the cause, then email the people who give you the answers you want. Otherwise, grow up, put on your big girl panties and deal with it.

LafayetteLady, I appreciate many of your posts on collarme, but you are reading much more drama and crisis into my posts than is there.

The "seem" is important to me because it keeps the blame on me, which is where it belongs. He has not said I'm getting on his nerves. That's why I say it's a ME issue, not a HIM issue. He's not doing anything but acting stressed out about some things going on that have nothing to do with me. I don't have low self-esteem in general, which is why I characterized this as a phase. Actually, I feel a lot better now than I did when I posted the OP. I think having a few people suggest self-care and just not thinking about things for a few hours helped immensely. Of course a pedicure or new dress won't fix low self-esteem; like I said, I don't have low self-esteem in general. This is a phase. I'm not stupid enough to think a bunch of strangers can fix my self-esteem or a pedicure can. Give me some credit, please.

You are making some mighty broad assumptions about my relationship. You'll just have to trust me that there was something I did wrong with the enemas that he pointed out to me that no one on the thread mentioned. I did appreciate many of the responses on that thread. I'm not sure why you would say I didn't like that advice. Is it because I didn't post something specifically saying I liked the advice? Well, I'm sorry about that. My bad, but actually, I have had much bigger things going on in my life the last week that demanded my attention.

On this thread, I don't like the answers that infer all sorts of details that are inaccurate. I love the answers I've gotten that have taken my post at face value--that I'm having a "low self-esteem day" (kind of like a bad hair day) that will pass and I simply wanted some ideas for how to make it pass more quickly.

You don't know anything about me or my life beyond what you've read in a few posts here. You'll just have to trust me that what he is dealing with is more legitimately stressful than my minor self-esteem hiccup. I'm not saying his stress is more important than mine; I'm saying his is more significant--that is, the specific stressful things he is dealing with have more potential to permanently impact his life than mine at this point. There have been times when I've had more "important" stresses in my life and he has taken care of me and put his stresses on the back burner. It's not a contest; I have a sense of perspective and can judge when my stressful things are more or less "important" than his.

I feel like you really want to read some kind of sickness or emotional abuse into my relationship. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but it's not there. We're just a Master/slave couple dealing with some stress and I'm feeling a bit insecure at the moment. When I feel insecure, I sometimes reach out to others for support. In my world, that's normal, not a sign of crisis.

I appreciate that you are so articulate and passionate, and I believe you are trying to be helpful to me. Thank you.




Justme696 -> RE: getting through rough patches with self-esteem intact (2/23/2010 9:34:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: HandcuffBarbie

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ORIGINAL: Justme696
tell yourself you work hard to please him.


Oh, I thought this answer was connected to the other one about the war being lost. My bad. I see what you're saying. Thanks.



No problem . :)

self esteem is often about motivating yourself in hard times




jujubeeMB -> RE: getting through rough patches with self-esteem intact (2/24/2010 2:26:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: HandcuffBarbie

What do you do to keep your self-esteem up when you go through stretches like this?


You realize that self-esteem is all internal and has nothing to do with external circumstances, including your relationship with your Master. Also, it wouldn't hurt to lay off the people who are giving you kind advice in this thread, like juliaoceania and lafayettelady. They took your question at face value, and any situation that is hurting someone's self esteem is bad news. If someone gives you advice that's wrong, you can say it's wrong without leaping defensively down their throat. That just makes it look like it's right.

What you probably mean is "ego," which is influenced by external circumstances and is all about wounded pride and such.




DesFIP -> RE: getting through rough patches with self-esteem intact (2/24/2010 5:13:33 AM)

I would decide if I wanted to be in a relationship that was fair weather only. If everytime he had a problem, he needed to be alone to deal with it and pushed me away then I would conclude that I was making him a priority while he made me an option.

If he can't turn to me for support during a rough patch, then we shouldn't be together. And vice versa. For us this is a full relationship not just spank and tickle. YMMV




HandcuffBarbie -> RE: getting through rough patches with self-esteem intact (2/24/2010 6:15:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jujubeeMB


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ORIGINAL: HandcuffBarbie

What do you do to keep your self-esteem up when you go through stretches like this?


You realize that self-esteem is all internal and has nothing to do with external circumstances, including your relationship with your Master. Also, it wouldn't hurt to lay off the people who are giving you kind advice in this thread, like juliaoceania and lafayettelady. They took your question at face value, and any situation that is hurting someone's self esteem is bad news. If someone gives you advice that's wrong, you can say it's wrong without leaping defensively down their throat. That just makes it look like it's right.

What you probably mean is "ego," which is influenced by external circumstances and is all about wounded pride and such.


Ego is what I meant. That's a much better word. Thank you for suggesting it.

I have to disagree with you about people taking my question at face value. The two people you named both assumed things that weren't true. I got defensive in part because on other threads (posting with an old profile), I've been taken to task for not setting the record straight when people got the details wrong. You can't please everyone. I also got defensive because I am very loyal to my Master and it makes me furious when people attribute negative things to him for no reason except that they ASSUMED something based on their own experience. Sure I value past experience, but assumptions are almost always dangerous.




starshineowned -> RE: getting through rough patches with self-esteem intact (2/24/2010 7:07:53 AM)

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What do you do to keep your self-esteem up when you go through stretches like this?


Greetings..

The first thing I do is run a self check to make sure I'm doing what I know I should be, and how he prefers. If that is in order then I just continue on as normal until he says or changes something or cares to share whats on his mind. I started out with those feelings of having done something wrong or not doing enough, and went through the pity parties but Master put things in simple order pretty quick. If I've done something that he doesn't like or wants changed..he'll tell me. If I am still here..I'm doing good. He doesn't expect me to come all emotional and supportive to his rescue (as if in showing how caring I am) because ultimately it is nothing more than "me" trying to take over the whole situation of things and direct and push him so that "I" (saviour of the world) can fix all his troubles, get a shiny gold star, and feel some sort of self importance where no need for such is even warranted.

I figured out for myself after awhile that one of the hardest things to do as a slave ..is to do nothing. Wierdness

Good luck in working through it

starshine






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