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RE: Limbaugh criticizes health care reform as "a c... - 2/24/2010 5:41:00 PM   
juliaoceania


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Could you even provide the page of the photo, or you expect people to go through the entire thing?

Edited to add, all those companies get subsidies to provide care... we are paying for them...


Yep, and guess who is getting kickbacks for continuing those subsidies? The parasites we keep sending to DC.


Yes, and they are predominantly on the right side of the aisle, although there are some on the left... and I am beginning to think Obama is amongst them... if he doesn't come out and advocate for a public option he will not get my vote next time. Here is the thing, a third of republicans want the PO... most democrats want it and a majority of indes too.. so why aren't we getting it? Because those leech fucks are buying our government from under our feets... which is why SCOTUS ruling about corporate money = free freaking speech is particularly galling


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RE: Limbaugh criticizes health care reform as "a c... - 2/24/2010 5:46:01 PM   
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Not gonna get any argument from me about the why's you listed for shit not getting done. The sad part is, it isn't just on health care that this occurs.

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RE: Limbaugh criticizes health care reform as "a c... - 2/24/2010 6:32:53 PM   
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Fast Reply -

Disparity of health care access by class and race are not necessarily separate issues.  Some of the specifics are reported here -

Overview of the Uninsured in the United States:
An analysis of the 2005 Current Population Survey


U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
Office of the Assistant Secretary for Planning and Evaluation

September 22, 2005

This Issue Brief is available on the Internet at:
http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/reports/05/uninsured-cps/

"The Uninsured by Race/Ethnicity"


"The uninsured are more likely to be white than other races or ethnicities, comprising about half of the uninsured population (48%).(6) However, the uninsured are disproportionately Hispanic to a significant degree. Hispanics represent 14% of U.S. residents but comprise 30% of the uninsured. The higher uninsured rate for Hispanics is not associated with higher poverty levels than other groups — the poverty rate for Hispanics is slightly lower than for African-Americans, 22.2% vs. 24.9% respectively. Rather, research has shown that Hispanics are more likely to be employed in jobs that do not offer health insurance, such as construction and agriculture (but when offered health insurance they accept at the same rates at whites and blacks).(7)"

http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/Reports/05/uninsured-cps/index.htm#The

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RE: Limbaugh criticizes health care reform as "a c... - 2/24/2010 7:19:59 PM   
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I had no idea that ensuring health care for all could be construed with "wealth redistribution"! That's insane!


well, c'mon now.

Public schools benefitted mostly those who could not afford private school; Public roads have a distinct favoritism towards those who cannot pay for toll roads; Public fire department, police departments, and aqueducts all redistribute wealth towards those who cannot hire their own teams of mercenaries, fire brigades, and tanker trucks of water.

This is the new slogan of teh conservative movement- "IGMFU"

It even fits on a bumper sticker.


Edited to add: I will say it again- wtf is with Rush's obsession with black people?

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RE: Limbaugh criticizes health care reform as "a c... - 2/24/2010 7:23:56 PM   
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Edited to add: I will say it again- wtf is with Rush's obsession with black people?


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RE: Limbaugh criticizes health care reform as "a c... - 2/24/2010 7:32:25 PM   
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Coverage Denied: How the Current Health Insurance System Leaves Millions Behind
“Pre-Existing Conditions” Affect Millions of AmericansA large proportion of Americans have health conditions that insurance companies can qualify as “pre-existing conditions.”

A pre-existing condition is a medical condition that existed before someone applies for or enrolls in a new health insurance policy. It can be something as prevalent as heart disease – which affects one in three adults1 – or something as life-changing as cancer, which affects 11 million Americans.2

But a pre-existing condition does not have to be a serious disease like cancer or heart disease. Even relatively minor conditions like hay fever, asthma, or previous sports injuries can trigger high premiums or denials of coverage.3
Unattainable Health Coverage
Insurance discrimination based on pre-existing conditions makes adequate health insurance unavailable to millions of Americans.

In 45 states across the country, insurance companies can discriminate against people based on their pre-existing conditions when they try to purchase health insurance directly from insurance companies in the individual insurance market.4 Insurers can deny them coverage, charge higher premiums, and/or refuse to cover that particular medical condition.

A recent national survey estimated that 12.6 million non-elderly adults5 – 36 percent of those who tried to purchase health insurance directly from an insurance company in the individual insurance market – were in fact discriminated against because of a pre-existing condition in the previous three years.6

In another survey, one in 10 people with cancer said they could not obtain health coverage, and six percent said they lost their coverage, because of being diagnosed with the disease.7

It is still legal in nine states for insurers to reject applicants who are survivors of domestic violence, citing the history of domestic violence as a pre-existing condition.8

Even when offering coverage, insurers can exclude whole categories of illnesses related to a pre-existing condition. For example, someone with a pre-existing condition of hay fever could have any respiratory system disease – such as bronchitis or pneumonia – excluded from coverage.9
Losing Coverage When You Need It Most
Thousands of Americans also lose health insurance each year through a practice called rescission.

When a person is diagnosed with an expensive condition such as cancer, some insurance companies review his/her initial health status questionnaire. In most states’ individual insurance market, insurance companies can retroactively cancel the entire policy if any condition was missed – even if the medical condition is unrelated, and even if the person was not aware of the condition at the time. Coverage can also be revoked for all members of a family, even if only one family member failed to disclose a medical condition.10

A recent Congressional investigation into this practice found nearly 20,000 rescissions from three large insurers over five years, saving them $300 million in medical claims11 – $300 million that instead had to come out of the pockets of people who thought they were insured, or became bad debt for health care providers.

At least one insurance company has been found to evaluate employee performance based in part on the amount of money an employee saved the company through rescissions.12 Simply put, these insurance company employees are encouraged to revoke sick people’s health coverage.
The Need for a Solution
High-risk pools, which have been used by states to cover the “medically uninsurable,” do not work.

Thirty-five states offer a high-risk pool for people who have been denied coverage in the individual insurance market or otherwise cannot obtain insurance.13 However, high-risk pools generally charge significantly higher rates than they charge for a healthy individual in the individual insurance market,14 meaning that only relatively high-income people can afford the coverage. One study estimated that only eight percent of the uninsurable population is able to enroll in high-risk pools, mainly because of high premiums.15

Benefits through a high-risk pool are also not guaranteed. Some state high-risk pools have annual caps on enrollment, or limit eligibility only to people who had prior group health coverage in the preceding 63 days. And one state high-risk pool has been closed to new beneficiaries since 1991.16

All high-risk pools also impose pre-existing condition exclusions for six months to one year, during which time care for the very condition that made someone uninsurable is not covered.17
Health Insurance Reform Will Provide Stability and Security for All Americans

Under health insurance reform, insurance companies will be prohibited from refusing coverage because of someone’s medical history or health risk.

Insurance companies will be required to renew any policy as long as the policyholder pays their premium in full. Insurance companies will not be allowed to refuse renewal because someone became sick.

And insurance companies will be prohibited from dropping or watering down insurance coverage for those who are or become ill.

Sources

Prepared by:
Meena Seshamani, MD, PhD, Director of Policy Analysis, Office of Health Reform, Department of Health and Human Services





1 American Heart Association. Heart Disease and Stroke Statistics 2009 Update-at-a-Glance. http://www.americanheart.org/downloadable/heart/1240250946756LS-1982%20Heart%20and%20Stroke%20Update.042009.pdf

2 National Cancer Institute. Cancer Query System: Cancer Prevalence Database. http://srab.cancer.gov/prevalence/canques.html

3 Pollitz K, Sorian R. How Accessible is Individual Health Insurance for Consumers in Less than Perfect Health? Kaiser Family Foundation, June 2001.

4 Kaiser State Health Facts. http://statehealthfacts.org/comparetable.jsp?ind=353&cat=7

5 Commonwealth Fund Biennial Health Insurance Survey, 2007

6 Doty MM, Collins SR, Nicholson JL et al. Failure to Protect: Why the Individual Insurance Market is not a Viable Option for Most US Families. The Commonwealth Fund, July 2009.

7 USA Today/Kaiser Family Foundation/Harvard School of Public Health. National Survey of Households Affected by Cancer. November 2006. http://www.kff.org/kaiserpolls/upload/7591.pdf

8 National Women’s Law Center. Nowhere to Turn: How the Individual Health Insurance Market Fails Women, 2008.

9 Pollitz K, Sorian R. How Accessible is Individual Health Insurance for Consumers in Less than Perfect Health? Kaiser Family Foundation, June 2001.

10 Waxman H and Barton J. Memorandum to Members and Staff of the Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations: Supplemental Information Regarding the Individual Health Insurance Market. June 16, 2009. http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090616/rescission_supplemental.pdf

11 Waxman H and Barton J. Memorandum to Members and Staff of the Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations: Supplemental Information Regarding the Individual Health Insurance Market. June 16, 2009. http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090616/rescission_supplemental.pdf

12 Waxman H and Barton J. Memorandum to Members and Staff of the Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations: Supplemental Information Regarding the Individual Health Insurance Market. June 16, 2009. http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090616/rescission_supplemental.pdf

13 Pollitz K. State High-Risk Health Insurance Pools. April 2009. www.nihcm.org/pdf/ExpertVoices_Pollitz_FINAL.pdf

14 National Association of State Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans. Comprehensive Health Insurance for High-Risk Individuals: A State-by-State Analysis: Twenty Second Edition, 2008/2009, 2008.

15 Frakt AB, Pizer SD, Wrobel MV. High-Risk Pools for Uninsurable Individuals: Recent Growth, Future Prospects. Health Care Financing Review Winter 2004-2005; 26(2): 73-87.

16 Pollitz K. State High-Risk Health Insurance Pools. April 2009. www.nihcm.org/pdf/ExpertVoices_Pollitz_FINAL.pdf

17 Pollitz K. State High-Risk Health Insurance Pools. April 2009. www.nihcm.org/pdf/ExpertVoices_Pollitz_FINAL.pdf


I have pre existing conditions which has gotten me denied coverage, or rates higher than the quoted premium in the advertisements for the insurance carrier. Being on a fixed income doesn't help.

What the anti-reform people are saying is that because I worked all my life, am drawing disability, I cant get decent health coverage.

Would it be better for everyone that is against reform if all those that cannot afford health insurance just die and then you wont have a problem with reform.

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RE: Limbaugh criticizes health care reform as "a c... - 2/24/2010 7:47:33 PM   
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Edited to add: I will say it again- wtf is with Rush's obsession with black people?


I think it is because Rush imagines that Black men are more well endowed than he is, but then again, I would imagine that most men are better endowed than he is... or at least they are not so fat that they cannot find their equipment


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