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osf -> where does it end? (2/25/2010 6:30:23 AM)
on another board i asked a question that led to a long running discussion, sometimes amusing and sometimes edifying , here i'd like to ask the women at what point does you sense of slavery/submission end as defined by you?

cpK69 -> RE: where does it end? (2/25/2010 6:37:32 AM)
Are you asking about the sense of obligation toward one's dominant, or of being submissive? Please. Kim

juliaoceania -> RE: where does it end? (2/25/2010 6:38:00 AM)
quote: where does it end? I keep waiting and waiting for it to, and you just keep posting[;)]

Mercnbeth -> RE: where does it end? (2/25/2010 6:38:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf on another board i asked a question that led to a long running discussion, sometimes amusing and sometimes edifying , here i'd like to ask the women at what point does you sense of slavery/submission end as defined by you? before offering an answer, could you define "sense of slavery/submission", please?

osf -> RE: where does it end? (2/25/2010 6:47:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth quote: ORIGINAL: osf on another board i asked a question that led to a long running discussion, sometimes amusing and sometimes edifying , here i'd like to ask the women at what point does you sense of slavery/submission end as defined by you? before offering an answer, could you define "sense of slavery/submission", please? where does your sense of obligation to obey him ( for whatever reason you feel an obligation to obey him?) come to an end? what would you consider crossing a line?

Mercnbeth -> RE: where does it end? (2/25/2010 7:06:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth quote: ORIGINAL: osf on another board i asked a question that led to a long running discussion, sometimes amusing and sometimes edifying , here i'd like to ask the women at what point does you sense of slavery/submission end as defined by you? before offering an answer, could you define "sense of slavery/submission", please? where does your sense of obligation to obey him ( for whatever reason you feel an obligation to obey him?) come to an end? what would you consider crossing a line? the end?...death...this slave's and/or His.

antinomy -> RE: where does it end? (2/25/2010 7:12:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf on another board i asked a question that led to a long running discussion, sometimes amusing and sometimes edifying , here i'd like to ask the women at what point does you sense of slavery/submission end as defined by you? 1) When/if he releases me 2) If he had a negative impact on my children 3) If what we share becomes abusive 4) If he were to become unstable (not saying I'd leave, but the power exchange would be put on hold until we got him help) 5) Death

starshineowned -> RE: where does it end? (2/25/2010 7:13:27 AM)
Greetings.. During the discussions there were a few key points made by Master. First was there was to be no lying, stealing, cheating. Next was his word that no intentional harm would be done. Next was that as long as I am his property I would be taken care of..(not necessarily as I may wish but as he decided). Now there are more things by his listing to me but the above mentioned pretty much covers any such silly ass "what ifs" you can toss out here. With that said....overtime things are changed..views are changed. What may have once been inconceivable may now years later be acceptable or doable without harm occurring in some fashion, and he being Master and knowing where I am at mentally, emotionally, physically.. determines where he will take me for his pleasure and fulfillment..which ultimately was why he has a slave to begin with. So with that said: Currently there is nothing that would cause a end except one of us dying..but even that would not sever the "sense" of knowing what is needed. starshine

ownedbyPF -> RE: where does it end? (2/25/2010 7:13:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth quote: ORIGINAL: osf on another board i asked a question that led to a long running discussion, sometimes amusing and sometimes edifying , here i'd like to ask the women at what point does you sense of slavery/submission end as defined by you? before offering an answer, could you define "sense of slavery/submission", please? where does your sense of obligation to obey him ( for whatever reason you feel an obligation to obey him?) come to an end? what would you consider crossing a line? I'd have to reach to the far end of absurdity to come up with an answer for that other than, it hasn't, and I can't imagine it ever happening. I think a more interesting question would be at what point did you realize you no longer defined your slavery? Was it a particular moment? When did you realize that your ideas of how you thought it would be were gone, that he/she had really and truly completely taken over defining what was and how it would be? For Doms/Dommes I'd ask the same in reverse, when did you know they were no longer defining their submission/slavery? Was it a slow process? Was it established almost immediately? If that hasn't happened, why hasn't it? And do you wish it would? Guess that would be a bit of threadjacking though:) ~s

lovingpet -> RE: where does it end? (2/25/2010 7:24:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: antinomy 3) If what we share becomes abusive 4) If he were to become unstable (not saying I'd leave, but the power exchange would be put on hold until we got him help) Could you define these please because if I understand the OP, that is what he is asking about. What behavior, etc crosses the line into abuse? What makes you view your partner as unstable? Those lines will be different for everyone and that's were the discussion lies. Correct me if I'm wrong OP. As for me, that's a very long conversation and I won't even go there without coffee. lovingpet

lovingpet -> RE: where does it end? (2/25/2010 7:28:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedbyPF quote: ORIGINAL: osf quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth quote: ORIGINAL: osf on another board i asked a question that led to a long running discussion, sometimes amusing and sometimes edifying , here i'd like to ask the women at what point does you sense of slavery/submission end as defined by you? before offering an answer, could you define "sense of slavery/submission", please? where does your sense of obligation to obey him ( for whatever reason you feel an obligation to obey him?) come to an end? what would you consider crossing a line? I'd have to reach to the far end of absurdity to come up with an answer for that other than, it hasn't, and I can't imagine it ever happening. I think a more interesting question would be at what point did you realize you no longer defined your slavery? Was it a particular moment? When did you realize that your ideas of how you thought it would be were gone, that he/she had really and truly completely taken over defining what was and how it would be? For Doms/Dommes I'd ask the same in reverse, when did you know they were no longer defining their submission/slavery? Was it a slow process? Was it established almost immediately? If that hasn't happened, why hasn't it? And do you wish it would? Guess that would be a bit of threadjacking though:) ~s Pleeeeeeease start that thread! Pretty please? lovingpet

kyraofMists -> RE: where does it end? (2/25/2010 7:32:10 AM)
~fast reply In my current relationship, it ends when he says it ends. Knight's Kyra

ownedbyPF -> RE: where does it end? (2/25/2010 7:32:11 AM)
k [:D] told you I'm a push over.. lol ~s

antinomy -> RE: where does it end? (2/25/2010 8:35:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovingpet quote: ORIGINAL: antinomy 3) If what we share becomes abusive 4) If he were to become unstable (not saying I'd leave, but the power exchange would be put on hold until we got him help) Could you define these please because if I understand the OP, that is what he is asking about. What behavior, etc crosses the line into abuse? What makes you view your partner as unstable? Those lines will be different for everyone and that's were the discussion lies. Correct me if I'm wrong OP. As for me, that's a very long conversation and I won't even go there without coffee. lovingpet Hi lovingpet... I could define abuse...but, I'm not going there. Please don't be offfended. I honestly think that abuse is subjective. What's abusive in my relationship might not be for someone else. It has everything to do with the specific relationship, who He is, who I am, and the parameters that we mutually defined. As for stability- it has to do with a post I read the other day, which in part stated: "The motivation, judgment or sanity of the Master is not relevant to the discussion. The question is the depth of her slavery." Which set my BS meter off. If my Master's sanity is in question, if His judgment is skewed by drugs, alchohol, depression, or other metal issue- then, it's time for ME to use some common sense. If that diminishes the depth of my submission, I think it's a positive thing, both for Him and for me. At that point, if His decision making process becomes questionable, the power dynamic NEEDS to be put on hold. Not just for my safety, my childen's safety, but to get the Man I love the help HE needs so He can get back to being who He was before...

lovingpet -> RE: where does it end? (2/25/2010 8:51:38 AM)
Thank you for answering. This is exactly why I didn't answer myself. It is subjective. I think those subjective views is what the OP wants, but I don't see it leading to anything but trouble. As for stable, I think it is a little less subjective, but only a little. How much alcohol and how often does an alcoholic make and all that mess. Thanks for the clarification and I agree with your good sense not to go there. [:)] lovingpet

osf -> RE: where does it end? (2/25/2010 9:12:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovingpet Thank you for answering. This is exactly why I didn't answer myself. It is subjective. I think those subjective views is what the OP wants, but I don't see it leading to anything but trouble. As for stable, I think it is a little less subjective, but only a little. How much alcohol and how often does an alcoholic make and all that mess. Thanks for the clarification and I agree with your good sense not to go there. [:)] lovingpet if i wanted absolute answers id look it up in an encyclopedia

lovingpet -> RE: where does it end? (2/25/2010 9:22:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf quote: ORIGINAL: lovingpet Thank you for answering. This is exactly why I didn't answer myself. It is subjective. I think those subjective views is what the OP wants, but I don't see it leading to anything but trouble. As for stable, I think it is a little less subjective, but only a little. How much alcohol and how often does an alcoholic make and all that mess. Thanks for the clarification and I agree with your good sense not to go there. [:)] lovingpet if i wanted absolute answers id look it up in an encyclopedia I understand that. I have just seen an awful lot of flame wars and hurt feelings over such things. Some will be upset because someone dared call something they love abusive. The other side will be very derogatory about the mental healthy and the personal safety of the other. I won't go there. Abusive really has everything to do with dynamic and the people involved. What my partner does with me, I'd call abuse if it were anybody else. Some things that would hold that label for him, I would consider normal dude behavior from others. It isn't just subjective, it's relative. I don't really concern myself too much with what if's and worst case senarios because he has given me no reason to do so. At this point really death is the only ending point. I can't conceive of being released. I have never known him to be nutty. I don't consider him abusive. So much would have to change for things to be different that I can't even begin to try to examine it. I hope to never reach such a time and will do this exercise if I ever do. lovingpet

Icarys -> RE: where does it end? (2/25/2010 9:25:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf on another board i asked a question that led to a long running discussion, sometimes amusing and sometimes edifying , here i'd like to ask the women at what point does you sense of slavery/submission end as defined by you? Look osf..Your posting style leaves a bit to be desired...I can usually see through the cloud of mist that seems to surround your topics and get to the heart of a question. As some have pointed out, in an ahole kinda way, it seems like your intentionally being vague to stir the pot. You seem to forget..most people don't have a good gift of insight and all it would take from you are a few more specifics then I think some of this animosity might go away. Maybe.... Honestly I don't hold much hope for the bitter prejudices I see most people displaying but hey..It's worth a shot. Good luck.

ponygirlthree -> RE: where does it end? (2/25/2010 9:35:40 AM)
it never ends

sublizzie -> RE: where does it end? (2/25/2010 9:38:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf here i'd like to ask the women at what point does you sense of slavery/submission end as defined by you? I've recently learned that even his death doesn't end my sense of submission to my Dominant.

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