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Female Supremacy - Married Male Slaves - Can of Worms - 3/29/2006 8:02:30 AM   
newdombbw


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Status: offline 		OK - I'm sure I'm going to open a REAL can of worms here, but I'm having my own personal struggle with the "ownership" of male married slaves.  (And, with this post, have the probably of alienating ALL married slaves <g>)

On one hand, I figure - if they're not with me, they'll be with someone else.

On the other hand, if I am TRULY a believer in female supremacy, how can I condone the breaking of faith, vows, and trust between a man and his wife?  Shouldn't he be worshipping his own wife?  own female?  (Yeah, yeah - I know all about how she's not interested in sex anymore, etc.)  Anyway, I think you get the point.

Your thoughts on this?
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RE: Female Supremacy - Married Male Slaves - Can of Worms - 3/29/2006 8:11:31 AM   
talltxsub


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Status: offline 		It is a contant problem, Ma'am.....the male in that situation cannot be truly owned, because he is also responsible to another woman.  Some supremacisists do desire to improve him in ways that make him more beneficial to his wife, while at the same time enjoying him herself.

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RE: Female Supremacy - Married Male Slaves - Can of Worms - 3/29/2006 8:18:48 AM   
redcheeks13


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Status: offline 		ther are some of us that need to accept female superiority through attitude adjustment under the firm and strict hand of someone used to bestowing the appropriate punishments and humiliation so that we can evolve a better relationship and more appropriate with the one we are married to who is unaccomstoned to assuming that position of power and dominance. Not an excuse but an explanation.
Need to be treated accordingly.
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RE: Female Supremacy - Married Male Slaves - Can of Worms - 3/29/2006 8:23:38 AM   
Mercnbeth


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On the other hand, if I am TRULY a believer in female supremacy


This is a heck of a way to show it. In effect you are submitting to the physical needs of a man. By being his 'enabler' you are making a cuckold of another female, his wife. No "sex" is involved you say? Which expresses a deeper degree of 'ownership'; emotional/mental or physical? Emotional and mental "sex" whether physical sex is involved or not, generates a much more intense orgasm.

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talltxsub: It is a constant problem, Ma'am.....the male in that situation cannot be truly owned

You will get many rationalized reasons for engaging with a married person, but if ownership of a slave is a goal, 'talltxsub's' one line sums up the reality of the situation.

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RE: Female Supremacy - Married Male Slaves - Can of Worms - 3/29/2006 8:23:49 AM   
meatcleaver


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Status: offline 		I've got nothing to say about married male slaves but on the marriage thing, artificial and naive morals have never and will never stop infidelity, in fact I think such morals encourage infidelity because it makes infidelity spicier and kinkier.

Just whip 'em a little harder for their infidelity, I'm sure they'll enjoy it all the more.

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RE: Female Supremacy - Married Male Slaves - Can of Worms - 3/29/2006 8:34:57 AM   
MasterFireMaam


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ORIGINAL: newdombbw

On one hand, I figure - if they're not with me, they'll be with someone else.



This might very well be true. However, the actions and choices of another do not have to influence your moral standings in the least. If you have a problem with it, and it sounds like you do, don't do it.

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RE: Female Supremacy - Married Male Slaves - Can of Worms - 3/29/2006 8:43:17 AM   
Jasmyn


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Status: offline 		lol @ meatcleaver ... am guilty of doing just that!  Well not so much a thrashing, but definitely a tounge lashing.  He was falling for me and not been honest with his partner about his kink links...then bitching to me how his partner was suddenly coming over all clingy and suffocating him.  He did not like it when I pointed out to him that it was HIS behaviour that was making her do this.  It wasn't that she suddenly became a sap, or was always a sap and he just didn't see it.  That it was HIM, his guilt, his wanting to be some place else that was causing her change in behaviour and that he was an absolute pig to willingly be her knight in shining armour, and set up a relationship with her with that kind of monogamous handsome prince dynamic going on, yet wanting to explore kink outside of her.  That he owned his guilt not her and he damn well better treat her better than he is right now.  Never had sex with him but we did become emotionally involved for a short time ...but he was playing both ends, having his nice white picket fence relationship with his princess and a sordid little fantasy worship with me. 
 
Newdom ... I am not totally against having married men serve me...but have absolutely no desire to own one.  Although saying that some of the most respectful sub males I have known have been married, some having their wife's approval to visit a Mistress, some not.  But given you are looking for a 'sex toy' it doesn't surprise me you might be having married men tell you they aren't getting any at home...lol go figure.
 
And yes, it does go against fem supremacy to covert another woman's partner... we aren't meant to be competting with each other.

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RE: Female Supremacy - Married Male Slaves - Can of Worms - 3/29/2006 8:47:20 AM   
MsSonnetMarwood


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Status: offline 		I think when it's all said and done, you have to do what sits best with your own conscience.   That's what you'll be alone with when he goes home to his wife.



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RE: Female Supremacy - Married Male Slaves - Can of Worms - 3/29/2006 8:48:22 AM   
LuckyAlbatross


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Status: offline 		Being with someone else doesn't necessarily mean you're breaking any vows- not everyone makes those vows when married, and vows can certainly change.

And even if the male slave is cheating with you, that doesn't mean anything is wrong.  Just because you believe in female supremacy doesn't mean you can't do a crappy thing to another woman also.

However, I find it odd that you believe in female supremacy but allow a man to get what he wants from another woman and you only get it when the wife allows (if he's cheating).

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RE: Female Supremacy - Married Male Slaves - Can of Worms - 3/29/2006 8:55:21 AM   
MHOO314


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Status: offline 		I am not a good one here to comment, for this is not something I dealt with, not a preference, however, I don't bash it--I would either contact or wait until MissTress appears, for she has this very scenario with the full knowledge of the subs wife--she has some great experience--

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RE: Female Supremacy - Married Male Slaves - Can of Worms - 3/29/2006 8:55:56 AM   
plantlady64


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Status: offline 		Hello  Newdombbw,
I am a sub/slave but feel some of my rules of play I govern myself under may help you. In the front of any relationship I have with someone who's already attached or married there has to be knowledge ans consent for them to play with others. I feel any man or woman who's lying to someone at home is only going to be problems for you too.
For me consensual applies to all parties involved or I don't play with any part of that unit.
Sleeping with 200 men or women a month in my opinion is not wrong if that's what you want to do & all are consensual. Sleeping with one person who's hiding the relationship from someone at home is VERY wrong & I'll not be party to hurting some innocent person who trusts the deceptive one.

Sincerely,
Suzanne

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RE: Female Supremacy - Married Male Slaves - Can of Worms - 3/29/2006 10:04:36 AM   
Slipstreme


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Status: offline 		To the OP if you are so worried about it, why not talk to his wife yourself with him outside of the room? To make sure that there is established consent, it is easiest if you seek it out yourself and not rely on the words of your submissive, who may be simply trying to get his rocks off with something he can't get at home.  

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RE: Female Supremacy - Married Male Slaves - Can of Worms - 3/29/2006 10:16:37 AM   
GoddessDustyGold


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Status: offline 		Hi newdombbw!  I am happy to see you at  the boards.  There is so much happening here, all the time. 
I am one who is very picky about the designation of "slave" vs. "submissive" in My personal relationships.  Marrieds can only deal with Me on a professional level.  Period.  End of story.  I have tried it the other way, and there is no way, for Me, that the relationship, even living out, is anything but a mockery of D/s.  There is no way it will ever be M/s in My book.  To Me, it is nothing more than a freebie session.  I have enough trouble with the single boys who petition Me for live-out positions in My life.  Adding a wife to the mix is more than I care to handle.
So, no, I don't feel you can ever own a married boy.  To own someone, I need to have them under My roof and accountable to Me 24/7.  Perhaps I am limiting Myself, and I know there are others who make this work.  But I don't believe they refer to those boys as "slave".  I could be wrong...MoGA, could you jump in here to correct Me if I am wrong??
As to Female Supremacy...I will always be Queen and Goddess in a personal relationship.  But I have little interest in any boy who will easily transfer his adoration to anyone with a vagina. I expect him to present himself respectfully and intelligently to anyone, male of female, but he is to adore only Me. 
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RE: Female Supremacy - Married Male Slaves - Can of Worms - 3/29/2006 10:17:41 AM   
yourMissTress


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quote:

ORIGINAL: newdombbw

OK - I'm sure I'm going to open a REAL can of worms here, but I'm having my own personal struggle with the "ownership" of male married slaves.  (And, with this post, have the probably of alienating ALL married slaves <g>)

On one hand, I figure - if they're not with me, they'll be with someone else.

On the other hand, if I am TRULY a believer in female supremacy, how can I condone the breaking of faith, vows, and trust between a man and his wife?  Shouldn't he be worshipping his own wife?  own female?  (Yeah, yeah - I know all about how she's not interested in sex anymore, etc.)  Anyway, I think you get the point.

Your thoughts on this?


I have a male sub who is married.  His wife is a Domme.  For them, their relationship and their business don't work together if he's submitting to her.  She, being a wonderful Domme and wife, recognized the need for him to submit completely to a woman and took the necessary steps for him to be able to express and fulfill this need.  She contacted me, we talked, we met, we became friends.  I met her husband and made the decision to take him on as Mine.  He honors, respects, and loves his wife.  I have the utmost respect for their marriage.  There is no question to whom the boy submits.  My relationship with this couple has been and continues to be one of the most fulfilling and happy that I've experienced.  I consider myself quite fortunate to count them as part of my life.
 
I would never, not ever, take on a sub who was lying, cheating, or being otherwise deceptive.  There are people whose morals are somewhat different than my own and I will not judge them for what they do.  This is my personal value structure and I hold true to it for my own conscience.

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RE: Female Supremacy - Married Male Slaves - Can of Worms - 3/29/2006 10:42:19 AM   
Ariel


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Status: offline 		It is IMO, a doudle edged sword, so to speak, I know for Myself, in the beginning, I did indeed play with a few married men, "play", was the opperative word for Me... I was aware of thier situation at home, (who really knows for sure), and they knew My ground rules from the very beginning. They knew that I had selected them because of thier knowledge of the lifestyle, and My lack thereof, they also knew that they were coming so I could "use", practice on them. After a year of that, and gaining enough knowledge, and knowing that even from the beginning, what I was doing went against My own morals, I knew that it was something I could no longer do, and therefore stopped playing with anyone that was married, no matter what they said.  

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RE: Female Supremacy - Married Male Slaves - Can of Worms - 3/29/2006 11:09:38 AM   
thetammyjo


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quote:

ORIGINAL: newdombbw

OK - I'm sure I'm going to open a REAL can of worms here, but I'm having my own personal struggle with the "ownership" of male married slaves. (And, with this post, have the probably of alienating ALL married slaves <g>)

On one hand, I figure - if they're not with me, they'll be with someone else.

On the other hand, if I am TRULY a believer in female supremacy, how can I condone the breaking of faith, vows, and trust between a man and his wife? Shouldn't he be worshipping his own wife? own female? (Yeah, yeah - I know all about how she's not interested in sex anymore, etc.) Anyway, I think you get the point.

Your thoughts on this?


I think that this is something you must come to grips with yourself and for yourself.

You might want to reflect on what you define as female supremacy. How does that relate to other females? To males? To non-female-supremacy models of doing things?


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RE: Female Supremacy - Married Male Slaves - Can of Worms - 3/29/2006 11:17:20 AM   
Slipstreme


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Status: offline 		In response to MissTress: I have had a similar experience with a friend of mine. When I had first met him and we grew together as friends and planned to meet each other in the summer for scening, his girlfriend at the time was afriad I was planning on taking him from her. Yes they are poly and open, so what we had planned was in the confines of their relationship, and I had always pressed him talking to her about it. Now they are Master and slave (maledom/femsub) and I spend countless hours talking to her than I spend talking to him sometimes. They both credit me for helping them grow in their relationship, something I am honored for having done, although I don't know what it is that I did exactly.

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RE: Female Supremacy - Married Male Slaves - Can of Worms - 3/29/2006 12:11:59 PM   
MsAlexaandJack


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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

As to Female Supremacy...I will always be Queen and Goddess in a personal relationship.  But I have little interest in any boy who will easily transfer his adoration to anyone with a vagina. I expect him to present himself respectfully and intelligently to anyone, male of female, but he is to adore only Me. 
Welcome!

Ditto...His wife may know whats going on and given him her blessing. I know alot of female married slaves are doing this exact same thing and most of their vanilla hubbies know about it. As long as everyone knows whats happening and it works for everyone who cares?
~MsAlexa

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RE: Female Supremacy - Married Male Slaves - Can of Worms - 3/29/2006 12:34:40 PM   
MrThorns


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quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

As to Female Supremacy...I will always be Queen and Goddess in a personal relationship.  But I have little interest in any boy who will easily transfer his adoration to anyone with a vagina. I expect him to present himself respectfully and intelligently to anyone, male of female, but he is to adore only Me. 
Welcome!


This has got to be one of the most realistic and practical descriptions of Female Supremacy (Or Male Supremacy...if you substitute a few key parts of the anatomy, that is...) that I have heard so far.

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RE: Female Supremacy - Married Male Slaves - Can of Worms - 3/29/2006 3:29:43 PM   
amayos


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Status: offline 		My advice for one who wishes to own another?

Stay away from married couples, unless they are devoutly polyamorous or you aim to heartlessly sever them to an end. I know there are of course living exceptions to this, but in my experience, more is lost than gained in stopping halfway with most of anything. Compassion for the married soul is often a fatalistic sympathy.

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