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Real0ne -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/5/2010 9:26:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

Damn, I missed out on the glories of mid-town.  I have seen the glories of Buckhead (I've never seen so many huge SUVs!!). 

pfffssstttt pfffssstttt pfffssstttt pfffssstttt  RAID! it kills bugs dead!

lol
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

There was a talking duck in Germany in 1952, but the Illuminati covered it up, because he was giving the future history of the gold standard!

No ... really!   I read it somewhere or the other, I swear!

Thanks for reminding me!

Did you hear about the UFO that landed in Atlanta last week, at the crack house?

The news refused to cover it too, but I heard it from a friend, of a friend, whose girlfriend saw it with her own eyes, just after she left the house ...

Firm




yeh well thanks for pointing out that your reading is no more valid than my reading!

Oh by the way, being a conspiracy debunker n all that stuff you said is all bullshit.

Hey did you see that neat piece of iron with the hole blown through it a couple pages ago or the invincible beer can?  I love talking about that!

I will save you the trouble of going back check this out!

[image]local://upfiles/59055/D127D713CA3F4354A0A2D71CF8C0CF8F.jpg[/image]

nice huh?

Blew that fucker all to hell!

Oh what does miegs say about that btw?


Here!  I found ti!

I found the proof of GW Bush's involvement in the WTC bombing!

Firm



I think the real question here is how did they manage to keep this out of the news?

You would think that everyone woudl be talking about this stuff....

Its not only this there is so much out there now showing they blew it to hell the only people who could possibly deny it have some kind of agenda to protect.

An agenda that killed 3000 people and supports those who are an enemy of the state.










Politesub53 -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/6/2010 3:26:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
I have to admit its fun slapping these peeps around with irrefutable evidence. 

Yes- evidence of insurance fraud.

Neither of you have shown the slightest proof that actually holds up.

It is sufficient that I confirm that they are correct in general. The crosspiece that RealOne presented is quite interesting and telling.


Rule, this is why you dont get taken seriously. Your confirmation does not equate to proof. Nor does Realones bluster and insults , or Pahunk constantly posting the same few words.

If you want to convince me then you must do better.




pahunkboy -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/6/2010 5:23:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
I have to admit its fun slapping these peeps around with irrefutable evidence. 

Yes- evidence of insurance fraud.

Neither of you have shown the slightest proof that actually holds up.

It is sufficient that I confirm that they are correct in general. The crosspiece that RealOne presented is quite interesting and telling.


Rule, this is why you dont get taken seriously. Your confirmation does not equate to proof. Nor does Realones bluster and insults , or Pahunk constantly posting the same few words.

If you want to convince me then you must do better.



well it is awfully convenient that now America has YOUR UK war on terror.  The Irish had no problem with those in America.   Now everyone is a terrorist.    Not everyone wants to be London or Tel Iviv.  So 7 gets massive AIG money which we bailed out 2x- and cattle have to take shoes off at the airport. And not walk thru naked body scanner cancer machines.

We should have stayed broken off of Old Europe.

We will dump the current monetary system, and move toward a constitutional credit system.




Rule -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/6/2010 5:23:44 AM)

I do not want to convince you or anyone.

I now know nearly everything about 911, or at least sufficient. (I am still wondering how that one keystone pillar in WTC7 was brought down or weakened, as an ordinary explosive has been ruled out as too noisy.)

What happens if I make known what I - using internet sources, so anyone can do the same - discovered, besides me being murdered within two days? This hoax was a pretext for war. I disapprove of the hoax and I disapprove of the ruthlessness, but I am not so sure that I disapprove of the wars.

If I talk, the western, allied countries may have to pay heavy damages.

In my estimation, though, the wars will fail; Jews (and in my opinion Muslims are Jews) will resist any pressure to change their culture. The Greek Maccabees tried it and failed, the Romans tried it and failed, Mohammed and his Arabs tried it and failed (and instead were themselves converted to the Jewish religion), the Crusaders tried it and failed. Only in Spain and Portugal were the Muslims ever defeated and converted - but even that was not a complete success, as the Marans (converted Jews and Muslims) persisted in their Jewish customs.




pahunkboy -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/6/2010 5:29:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Rule

I do not want to convince you or anyone.

I now know nearly everything about 911, or at least sufficient. (I am still wondering how that one keystone pillar in WTC7 was brought down or weakened, as an ordinary explosive has been ruled out as too noisy.)

What happens if I make known what I - using internet sources, so anyone can do the same - discovered, besides me being murdered within two days? This hoax was a pretext for war. I disapprove of the hoax and I disapprove of the ruthlessness, but I am not so sure that I disapprove of the wars.

If I talk, the western, allied countries may have to pay heavy damages.

In my estimation, though, the wars will fail; Jews (and in my opinion Muslims are Jews) will resist any pressure to change their culture. The Greek Maccabees tried it and failed, the Romans tried it and failed, Mohammed and his Arabs tried it and failed (and instead were themselves converted to the Jewish religion), the Crusaders tried it and failed. Only in Spain and Portugal were the Muslims ever defeated and converted - but even that was not a complete success, as the Marans (converted Jews and Muslims) persisted in their Jewish customs.


This is where the US could get a free pass.  Convict Silverstien of insurance fraud- and then that settles it.  If 7 is addressed the rest of it is likely to drop.




pahunkboy -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/6/2010 5:30:42 AM)

send a few guys to jail. Enron- worldcom.  

try to find the duplicate files off site.    7 makes it go away.




pahunkboy -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/6/2010 5:35:27 AM)

Iraq- is to save the dollar.  The dollar is what oil is priced in- oil and bombs are what backed the dollar. Ahpganistan is for the drugs.  Top powers the be control the drug trade- on that- I doubt the populace would condone that.

But on Iraq- -- anyone that uses dollars or oil- pretty much has to go along with what keeps the dollar together. Even if they say otherwise....




pahunkboy -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/6/2010 5:39:39 AM)

Rule-  on 7 the 23rd floor?   was specially constructed.    It was bomb proof-- had its own water and air.   So maybe that is where the weak point was- above or below it.




Rule -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/6/2010 5:52:09 AM)

I quote:

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a girder on Floor 13 lost its connection to a critical column, Column 79, that provided support for the long floor spans on the east side of the building (see Diagram 1). The displaced girder and other local fire-induced damage caused Floor 13 to collapse, beginning a cascade of floor failures down to the 5th floor. Many of these floors had already been at least partially weakened by the fires in the vicinity of Column 79. This collapse of floors left Column 79 insufficiently supported in the east-west direction over nine stories.

The unsupported Column 79 then buckled and triggered an upward progression of floor system failures that reached the building’s east penthouse. What followed in rapid succession was a series of structural failures. Failure first occurred all the way to the roof line—involving all three interior columns on the easternmost side of the building (79, 80, 81). Then, progressing from east to west across WTC 7, all of the columns failed in the core of the building (58 through 78). Finally, the entire façade collapsed.

So an explosion was not required for column 79 to weaken. I suspect that I had forgotten about that already, though I quoted similar some days ago.




pahunkboy -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/6/2010 6:19:02 AM)

3,4,5, 6 all faced heavy damage all day long.     none of them collapsed in free fall.  

I know people were upset that day- and I know people want to love and adore there home country- America.






mnottertail -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/6/2010 6:24:05 AM)

5 people have various intensity of heart attacks, one dies.......is that a conspiracy?

added: and for a building NOT to finally collapse in a way that isn't free fall, regardless of cause, that is suspicious, it would violate physics. unless it was pure rot.............like an old barn, but even those at the end do not go gentle into that good night............




Real0ne -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/6/2010 6:43:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

3,4,5, 6 all faced heavy damage all day long.     none of them collapsed in free fall.  

I know people were upset that day- and I know people want to love and adore there home country- America.







5 people have various intensity of heart attacks, one dies.......is that a conspiracy?

added: and for a building NOT to finally collapse in a way that isn't free fall, regardless of cause, that is suspicious, it would violate physics. unless it was pure rot.............like an old barn, but even those at the end do not go gentle into that good night............




the only thing that defies physics is rons explanation of physics



[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/gzd_059a.jpg[/image]





all other buildings can be completely gutted and they stand but 7 goes....


ron its called conservation of energy













mnottertail -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/6/2010 6:48:12 AM)

how so, what the fuck does that picture prove in contrary fashion?, absolutely nothing, other than shit has fell down, which we expect to see, and did not fall to the foundation, the bottom floors which are much heavier than the top floors (uh, fucking duh) and not all the debris not falling in a straight line downward (thats why it is to the sides as well.....)

Where has physics been violated, and show your work. from this picture, not some ellided rant about washers and paper.




Real0ne -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/6/2010 7:11:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

how so, what the fuck does that picture prove in contrary fashion?, absolutely nothing, other than shit has fell down, which we expect to see, and did not fall to the foundation, the bottom floors which are much heavier than the top floors (uh, fucking duh) and not all the debris not falling in a straight line downward (thats why it is to the sides as well.....)

Where has physics been violated, and show your work. from this picture, not some ellided rant about washers and paper.



How many times do we need to go over this same shit with you man?   Last time I was here I put up math to illustrate my point and all you did was what yo always do.  You never responded to it just like every other board I put up the math, just like the blown beam the invincible airplanes, upward collapse, you assholes never respond you just move on and pretend I never posted it.


[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/p515a.jpg[/image]


the buildings are gutted yet they stand, murrah stood, most of the bombed out buildings in germany stood.  gutted and they stood.   But then I guess that is old physics.  LMAO

as you can see....oh wait as I can see that building was blown from the inside.  Impressively I might add.  Thats why you cant find more than one piece of iron from the towers in there.








mnottertail -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/6/2010 7:22:03 AM)

there is nothing in that picture that shows conclusively that they are blown from the outside, there is a great deal of debris inside and many girders straight standing, albiet a few on the outer perimeter bent outwards, and there are not 110 floors standing, so what does it mean that some 5-10 floors stand, what is the problem with that?

You can say stupid shit all day long, all about nothing to do with the actual events, it doesn't make it true, nor does it make it even plausible, that picture indicates nothing of which you speak.




pahunkboy -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/6/2010 7:27:07 AM)

China will build 50,000 sky scrapers.

How many will collapse in free fall?

We been building tall buildings for a long time.




mnottertail -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/6/2010 7:28:09 AM)

all of them hunkie. think about it, you got time.





pahunkboy -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/6/2010 7:29:26 AM)

That is a good point about marrah.




Real0ne -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/6/2010 7:32:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

there is nothing in that picture that shows conclusively that they are blown from the outside, there is a great deal of debris inside and many girders straight standing, albiet a few on the outer perimeter bent outwards, and there are not 110 floors standing, so what does it mean that some 5-10 floors stand, what is the problem with that?

You can say stupid shit all day long, all about nothing to do with the actual events, it doesn't make it true, nor does it make it even plausible, that picture indicates nothing of which you speak.


the photo proves conclusively the conservation of energy in that they are gutted and they did not go down.

I didnt mention blown so you could shift the argument away from the issue and on to another one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caATBZEKL4c&feature=player_embedded

No matter how you want to spin it they are still paper holding up steel and a much exxagerated demonstration where the fall is much greater than one or 2 stories.






mnottertail -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/6/2010 7:42:04 AM)

thats your problem your grasp of even the simplest of phsics principles is non-extant.

How does conservation of energy conclude that floors cannot be left standing?

And I do not disagree that paper holding up steel is fascinating shit, but it has nothing to do with the collapse of the WTC in any way shape or form. While it exhibits simple physics, it does not have proprtion, weight distribution, fire, planes (and the list goes on and on) orany of the other inputs ..... as a cartoon of wiley coyote getting up from a fall off a cliff is a cartoon and not realistic




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