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Rule -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/7/2010 4:37:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth So it's your position to not make your arguement stronger by not stating any qualifications you might have. Interesting strategy. He is right to do so. Qualifications do not prove anything. Arguments do. I am a supergenius and nobody alive today can imagine the world as I experience it. (Well, perhaps somebody can, as there are six billion people today; there must be some people like me.) To me qualifications mean hardly anything. Millions of qualified people are struggling for years and decades and centuries with problems that I have solved years and decades ago. (Unfortunately, infrequently someone is touched with a spark of genius and solves the same problem and scoops me; I always feel devastated when that happens.)

Real0ne -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/7/2010 4:38:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth quote: thats a none of your fucking business. He is witch hunting for titles so he can gauge his opinion based on the tittle not the information therein. I do not feed title trolls get it? Either he and you have the smarts to figger out what information is valid and what is not without a title of you are all dumbfucks. Just trying to advance you to my stage of the game since I dont need titles to gauge the validity of information. Hmmm sounding just a tad defensive there, RO. I'm still guessing the answer is no, though [;)] Realone, my opinion is, as I have repeatedly stated, based upon working in construction. I didnt ask you for any title, just if you had worked in demolition and or construction. YOU, if you recall, asked me for a quote, I told you to do what I did and read MrMisters posted links. yup its in there alrightee quote: ORIGINAL: MrMister Math and Science and Engineering and Data beats Hysteria and Conjecture and Sound and Fury (signifying nothing). Speaking as a general contractor, with an extensive background in structural engineering, I initially thought as many have expressed here. Building 7 caught fire when the Towers fell, it continued to burn with firefighters inside until they were pulled out about 3:30PM. Big gash down the side of Building 7 from the fall of WTC. Building 7 fell about 5:15PM. Fire, weakened structures bending outwards, floors pulling off the steel connections with typical pancaking. Force=mass x acceleration. Do the numbers, with yield strength of heated steel and the annealing (softening) process that occurs after steel is heated. It seemed all pretty simple at first. No explosives, no magic, just internals burning without the benefit of water pressure to run the sprinklers. If you wanted a conspiracy theory, I thought we should have asked why the sprinklers on the WTC did not put out the fire... oh, yes, they were not designed with sufficient coverage density to abate thousands of gallons of burning jet fuel. Simple math. Out of the design parameters. It seemed pretty obvious that as long as we are designing closer and closer to the strength limits of materials, and making more and more assumptions to get costs down, particularly when extreme situations occur, structures will fail. The math of statics and dynamics and strength of materials generally tells it all. After considering a multitude of data that came out regarding a Momentum Transfer Analysis of the collapse of the upper storeys of WTC1. I then began some digging into the information available about all the molten metal on site for months afterward. And then recalling that the World Trade Center buildings were not built recently--they were built in the 1960s-1970s, and designed to withstand a direct hit from an airplane. (Yes, it was a 707--a smaller plane than the 757 which hit it--but the design parameters were set for a higher airspeed, which meant a higher kinetic energy.) And combined with the NIST data seemed itself to disprove the collapse theories based on fire. Among so many, many other things that indicated something just isn't adding up, I began to doubt the official story. However, I (like so many others) have not undertaken my own definitive study on what happened on 9/11, particularly on the collapse of blg 7, but the questions raised that are out there and some of the data brought into the light (which is abundantly presented in many of the following links I'll give if anyone is so inclined to at the very least look at them) regarding the free-fall collapse were certainly valid enough to at the very least take into consideration that there is something afoul. Fact is, in my mind, there are just too many instances of wrong-doing and/or a cover-up has taken place for any person (capable of critical thinking and analysis) to simply dismiss all the questions and facts that are readily available to anyone who cares to look. Unfortunately, I realize this is a bdsm website and not one generally populated with very many folks with the willingness or the capability to look at all the data, or even click on a few of the links given. But, c'est la vie. It's just the way it is and always will be. http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20100219/pl_usnw/DC57612_1 1,000 Architects & Engineers Call for New 9/11 Investigation PR Newswire Fri Feb 19, 8:00 am ET SAN FRANCISCO, Feb. 19 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Richard Gage, AIA, architect and founder of the non-profit Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Inc. (AE911Truth), will announce a decisive milestone today at a press conference in San Francisco, as more than 1,000 worldwide architects and engineers now support the call for a new investigation into the destruction of the Twin Towers and Building 7 at the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001. After careful examination of the official explanation, along with the forensic data omitted from official reports, these professionals have concluded that a new independent investigation into these mysterious collapses is needed. Mr. Gage will deliver the news around this major development, accompanied by signers of the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth petition. The press conference will be held concurrently in 38 cities in 6 countries. http://www.ae911truth.org/info/160 These prominent architectural and engineering professionals will discuss the organization's findings and concerns. A brief presentation of the explosive evidence they have compiled will be followed by Q & A. The presentation is an important update of "9/11: Blueprint for Truth – The Architecture of Destruction," the DVD produced by the organization, and available on their website AE911Truth.org, which analyzes the scientific forensic evidence concluding that the three skyscrapers in New York City were demolished with explosives on 9/11. The petition will be delivered today to every congressional representative by AE911Truth petition signers throughout the country. Government officials will be notified that "Misprision of Treason", US Code 18 (Sec. 2382), is a serious federal offense which requires those with evidence of treason to act. ...<snip>... Excellent Analysis of the North Tower Exploding. A&E for 9/11 Truth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyoayCU42hM&feature=player_embedded http://militantlibertarian.org/2010/02/16/what-the-new-9-11-photos-show/ What the New 9-11 Photos Show Posted: February 16th, 2010 by Militant Libertarian by Christopher Bollyn Eight and a half years after 9-11, we are finally able to view the photos taken by a photographer in a New York City Police Department helicopter hovering over the scene of the crime. Why has it taken so long for these photos of the crime of the century to be released? What do these newly released photos tell us? There is certainly a great deal of evidence contained in these hundreds of photographs, which will take some time to analyze, but one thing is very clear. The Twin Towers were turned into dust. The concrete and steel frame towers were reduced to immense clouds of dust and this was not caused by the potential energy of the buildings being released as they fell. The towers were pulverized through the use of many tons of super-thermite, which was discovered in the dust by Professor Steven E. Jones. Looking at these photos, one can see that the towers were exploded and turned into dust in the same instant. The photos validate the thesis, now proven, that the Twin Towers – and the lives within them – were destroyed by demolition charges and tons of super-thermite which had been applied to the concrete floors, probably on the undersides of the floor pans. ...<snip>... [The columns and beams also had to have cutter charges on them.] Here is a compendium of authoritative 911 web sites The destruction of our constitution and Bill of Rights, as well as the current ill-advised wars trace to the events of 9/11. If it is true that it was an inside job designed to create a handy crisis for those wishing to seize power, we should at least ask, "what if it is true?" Much serious analysis has examined the question, and the answers are disturbing. See: http://www.inteldaily.com/news/172/ARTICLE/10300/2009-04-06.html Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe By Dr. Steven Jones "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe" by Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley and Bradley R. Larsen The paper ends with this sentence: "Based on these observations, we conclude that the red layer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material." In short, the paper explodes the official story that "no evidence" exists for explosive/pyrotechnic materials in the WTC buildings. ...<snip>... Tons of Math and Science and Engineering and Data in many of the following links Journal of 9/11 Studies http://www.journalof911studies.com/ Thank you for visiting The Journal of 9/11 Studies, a peer-reviewed, open-access, electronic-only journal, covering the whole of research related to the events of 11 September, 2001. Many fields of study are represented in the journal, including Engineering, Physics, Chemistry, Mathematics and Psychology. All content is freely available online. Our mission in the past has been to provide an outlet for evidence-based research into the events of 9/11 that might not otherwise have been published.......... PHYSICS 911 is created and maintained by a group of scientists, engineers and other professionals known collectively as the Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-eleven ... http://physics911.net/ See also Video from Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth In the 2008 Edition of this stunning multimedia presentation, filmed professionally in a studio before a live audience, San Francisco Bay Area architect, Richard Gage, AIA, provides the myth-shattering scientific forensic evidence of the explosive controlled demolition of all 3 WTC high-rise buildings on September 11, 2001. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b74naeawdCs&feature=PlayList&p=621A4B03C1169C78&index=0&playnext=1 The video can be watched here, also, along with shorter versions: http://www.ae911truth.org/ The list of architects and engineers is here: http://www.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php Engineers and Architects Question the 9/11 Commission Report http://patriotsquestion911.com/engineers.html Pilots and Aviation Professionals Question the 9/11 Commission Report http://patriotsquestion911.com/pilots.html Professors Question the 9/11 Commission Report http://patriotsquestion911.com/professors.html Senior Military, Intelligence, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials Question the 9/11 Commission Report http://patriotsquestion911.com/ Highly Credible People Question the 9/11 Commission Report http://www.911blogger.com/node/11094 http://www.911blogger.com/node/11112 http://www.911docs.net/ http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=WOO20100214&articleId=17624 The Media Response to the Growing Influence of the 9/11 Truth Movement. Part II: A Survey of Attitude Change in 2009-2010 by Elizabeth Woodworth DVDs Available For Those Who Question the 9/11 Commission Report http://www.onedollardvdproject.com go find it then talk to me.

pahunkboy -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/7/2010 5:05:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Pahunk, you missed the last bit of the quote. The part that said they do not currently ask for seven days notice of withdrawal, and havent done so in the past. The point is that is now their policy. And not just citi bank- but other large banks are doing the same. This will come in handy when they do the currency devaluation.

thornhappy -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/7/2010 5:39:30 PM)
Hunk, we were already supposed to be in hyperinflation with a devaluation.

pahunkboy -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/7/2010 5:53:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thornhappy Hunk, we were already supposed to be in hyperinflation with a devaluation. explain please:

Musicmystery -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/7/2010 6:49:21 PM)
quote: if you want to be treated with respect try treating others with respect. I have no interest in your respect. You're a lunatic. The point is that you're full of shit. Someone claimed we can't regulate firearms anymore than we can regulate free speech. But we do regulate free speech, right or wrong, so the premise is flawed, and I said so. Everything from there is in your imaginative little world.

thornhappy -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/7/2010 7:42:52 PM)
Last year you quoted Chapman, IIRC, that we would have hyperinflation and a devaluation of the dollar. Needless to say, it hasn't happened yet. quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: thornhappy Hunk, we were already supposed to be in hyperinflation with a devaluation. explain please:

Real0ne -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/7/2010 7:51:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thornhappy Last year you quoted Chapman, IIRC, that we would have hyperinflation and a devaluation of the dollar. Needless to say, it hasn't happened yet. They took the M1 Money curve off the fed report in hmm... 2005 I think because it was no longer a curve it went straight up. Do you even know how to tell if the dollar has been devaluated?

pahunkboy -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/7/2010 7:53:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thornhappy Last year you quoted Chapman, IIRC, that we would have hyperinflation and a devaluation of the dollar. Needless to say, it hasn't happened yet. quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: thornhappy Hunk, we were already supposed to be in hyperinflation with a devaluation. explain please: So does that mean everything is fine then?

pahunkboy -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/7/2010 7:55:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: thornhappy Last year you quoted Chapman, IIRC, that we would have hyperinflation and a devaluation of the dollar. Needless to say, it hasn't happened yet. They took the M1 Money curve off the fed report in hmm... 2005 I think because it was no longer a curve it went straight up. Do you even know how to tell if the dollar has been devaluated? http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/M1

Real0ne -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/7/2010 8:04:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: thornhappy Last year you quoted Chapman, IIRC, that we would have hyperinflation and a devaluation of the dollar. Needless to say, it hasn't happened yet. They took the M1 Money curve off the fed report in hmm... 2005 I think because it was no longer a curve it went straight up. Do you even know how to tell if the dollar has been devaluated? http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/M1 daym yer on your game! I was looking for that, but you know they must have avereaged it out somehow because 2005 looked like 2009 does now. I wonder if they arent using some kind of moving average. I save it for future reference, thanks.

Politesub53 -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/8/2010 2:13:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne yup its in there alrightee < MrMisters post > go find it then talk to me. I mentioned someone had claimed that the underside of the floors had been coated with thermite, and you said I was talking B/s. You have just posted the correct thread that contains the reference. What do you want to debate ? I have already said there is no way the underside of the floors could have been covered in thermite.

Politesub53 -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/8/2010 2:16:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Pahunk, you missed the last bit of the quote. The part that said they do not currently ask for seven days notice of withdrawal, and havent done so in the past. The point is that is now their policy. And not just citi bank- but other large banks are doing the same. This will come in handy when they do the currency devaluation. Who says it is policy ? All the web site ( that you posted ) says, is that they may ask for seven days notice, that they dont do that currently ( You know, not current policy ) and that they havent done so in the past ( You know, not previous policy ) Do I have to explain things to you line by line Pahunk ?

pahunkboy -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/8/2010 7:30:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy RO- picture that I am a big bank. I require 7 day notice to let you have your money. how does that sound? they have to put in a money to the federal reserve for it LOL thought ya'd catch me eh? LOL What if I told you most of the large banks have this 7 day wait effective 4-1-10 and this applies to EVERY state? ...and that it is specifically written into their TOS fine print. yeh ask them why man, they have to order it the federal reserve. It has been that way on large sums for some time now. All they do is keep a ledger. An almost identical advisory to the one being sent out can be read on page 22 of Citbank’s Client Manual effective January 1, 2010, which can be read here from Citibank’s own website. “We reserve the right to require seven (7) days advance notice before permitting a withdrawal from all checking, savings and money market accounts. For Polite, the pdf is here.

pahunkboy -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/8/2010 7:37:05 AM)
http://www.dailyitem.com/0100_news/local_story_067080859.html and sometimes nurses even KILL

Real0ne -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/8/2010 10:29:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne yup its in there alrightee just to be perfectly clear since you seem to have such difficulty in keeping the nexus of the conversation my response below is referring to the above underlined. < MrMisters post > go find it then talk to me. I mentioned someone had claimed that the underside of the floors had been coated with thermite, and you said I was talking B/s. You have just posted the correct thread that contains the reference. What do you want to debate ? I have already said there is no way the underside of the floors could have been covered in thermite. DUH! that was sarcasm its NOT in there. get it? if you want to claim its in there then prove up your fucking claim or stfu.

Politesub53 -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/8/2010 10:46:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne yup its in there alrightee just to be perfectly clear since you seem to have such difficulty in keeping the nexus of the conversation my response below is referring to the above underlined. < MrMisters post > go find it then talk to me. I mentioned someone had claimed that the underside of the floors had been coated with thermite, and you said I was talking B/s. You have just posted the correct thread that contains the reference. What do you want to debate ? I have already said there is no way the underside of the floors could have been covered in thermite. DUH! that was sarcasm its NOT in there. get it? if you want to claim its in there then prove up your fucking claim or stfu. You have just made yourself look very stupid and arrogant. I was even kind enough to give you several chances to look again for yourself. Scroll down about 1/4 to 1/3 of the way, on MrMisters post. It is just underneath this heading, in the second paragraph. quote: Posted: February 16th, 2010 by Militant Libertarian by Christopher Bollyn As the saying goes, read the bottom line. quote: The photos validate the thesis, now proven, that the Twin Towers – and the lives within them – were destroyed by demolition charges and tons of super-thermite which had been applied to the concrete floors, probably on the undersides of the floor pans. Can i stfu now. [;)]

Real0ne -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/8/2010 12:07:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne why the fuck would anyone spray the ceilings 16 buildings 1500 pounds to shoot em and you seen the video how many fucking times and you still spout the same shit? There comes a time when willful dumb ass needs to be called what it is. Because MrMister had a link to architects against 9/11. If you had bothered to even read it, you would see that spraying the ceilings is the suggestion put forward, by a site which YOU have used before to back your claim. So here we have YOU admitting one of your sources is making a ridiculous claim. What was that about "Willful dumbass" lots of people I would take that at face value coming from you bullshit unless you put up the quote. just more of your conflated obtuse obfuscation. quote or shove it. Its a source you have used. If you want to find the quote do what I did and read MrMisters links. While I am at it, you never did say if you have any experience of working in demolition or construction, was the question too simple for you ? well how about you be just as clear as mud eh? you tell me it was in that list of what 20 fucking links and expect me to read all those links to root out one fucking quote and you know the answer is a big fuck you. What you meant to say is that it was in his quote, the one with all the links. DUH. If you want people to understand you at least use the english language in a way people can undersatnd wtf you are talking about. So whats your point? You require because you cannot think for yourself a "title" of authority to demonstrate my position then you want to what marry me to every fucking thing this people claimed on the matter, and pick the weakest point to try and invalidate the strongest points? Pretty lame buddy, and transparent as glass. I have not given thermate as explosive on floors any real consideration. On its surface it would nt seem like the best way to go, however all things considered since you get the most energy per unit that may have been the most efficient way to pulverize all that concrete. you have a very nice way of making subtle changes to your claims to obfuscate the points dont you.

pahunkboy -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/8/2010 12:53:50 PM)
which still comes back to insurance fraud on 7.

MrMister -> RE: WASHINGTON TIMES QUESTIONS WTC 7 COLLAPSE (3/8/2010 4:55:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne yup its in there alrightee just to be perfectly clear since you seem to have such difficulty in keeping the nexus of the conversation my response below is referring to the above underlined. < MrMisters post > go find it then talk to me. I mentioned someone had claimed that the underside of the floors had been coated with thermite, and you said I was talking B/s. You have just posted the correct thread that contains the reference. What do you want to debate ? I have already said there is no way the underside of the floors could have been covered in thermite. DUH! that was sarcasm its NOT in there. get it? if you want to claim its in there then prove up your fucking claim or stfu. You have just made yourself look very stupid and arrogant. I was even kind enough to give you several chances to look again for yourself. Scroll down about 1/4 to 1/3 of the way, on MrMisters post. It is just underneath this heading, in the second paragraph. quote: Posted: February 16th, 2010 by Militant Libertarian by Christopher Bollyn As the saying goes, read the bottom line. quote: The photos validate the thesis, now proven, that the Twin Towers – and the lives within them – were destroyed by demolition charges and tons of super-thermite which had been applied to the concrete floors, probably on the undersides of the floor pans. Can i stfu now. [;)] I just wanted to clarify Politesub53 that the article you are referring to by Christopher Bollyn was posted on his website "Militant Libertarian" not the "Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth" website.

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