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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth
So it's your position to not make your arguement stronger by not stating any qualifications you might have. Interesting strategy.

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thats a none of your fucking business. He is witch hunting for titles so he can gauge his opinion based on the tittle not the information therein. I do not feed title trolls get it? Either he and you have the smarts to figger out what information is valid and what is not without a title of you are all dumbfucks. Just trying to advance you to my stage of the game since I dont need titles to gauge the validity of information.

Hmmm sounding just a tad defensive there, RO. I'm still guessing the answer is no, though

Realone, my opinion is, as I have repeatedly stated, based upon working in construction.

I didnt ask you for any title, just if you had worked in demolition and or construction.

YOU, if you recall, asked me for a quote, I told you to do what I did and read MrMisters posted links.

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ORIGINAL: MrMister

Math and Science and Engineering and Data beats Hysteria and Conjecture and Sound and Fury (signifying nothing).

Speaking as a general contractor, with an extensive background in structural engineering, I initially thought as many have expressed here. Building 7 caught fire when the Towers fell, it continued to burn with firefighters inside until they were pulled out about 3:30PM. Big gash down the side of Building 7 from the fall of WTC. Building 7 fell about 5:15PM. Fire, weakened structures bending outwards, floors pulling off the steel connections with typical pancaking. Force=mass x acceleration. Do the numbers, with yield strength of heated steel and the annealing (softening) process that occurs after steel is heated.  It seemed all pretty simple at first. No explosives, no magic, just internals burning without the benefit of water pressure to run the sprinklers. If you wanted a conspiracy theory, I thought we should have asked why the sprinklers on the WTC did not put out the fire... oh, yes, they were not designed with sufficient coverage density to abate thousands of gallons of burning jet fuel. Simple math. Out of the design parameters.
It seemed pretty obvious that as long as we are designing closer and closer to the strength limits of materials, and making more and more assumptions to get costs down, particularly when extreme situations occur, structures will fail. The math of statics and dynamics and strength of materials generally tells it all.

After considering a multitude of data that came out regarding a Momentum Transfer Analysis of the collapse of the upper storeys of WTC1. I then began some digging into the information available about all the molten metal on site for months afterward.  And then recalling that the World Trade Center buildings were not built recently--they were built in the 1960s-1970s, and designed to withstand a direct hit from an airplane.  (Yes, it was a 707--a smaller plane than the 757 which hit it--but the design parameters were set for a higher airspeed, which meant a higher kinetic energy.) And combined with the NIST data seemed itself to disprove the collapse theories based on fire.   Among so many, many other things that indicated something just isn't adding up, I began to doubt the official story.

However, I (like so many others) have not undertaken my own definitive study on what happened on 9/11, particularly on the collapse of blg 7, but the questions raised that are out there and some of the data brought into the light (which is abundantly presented in many of the following links I'll give if anyone is so inclined to at the very least look at them) regarding the free-fall collapse were certainly valid enough to at the very least take into consideration that there is something afoul. Fact is, in my mind, there are just too many instances of wrong-doing and/or a cover-up has taken place for any person (capable of critical thinking and analysis) to simply dismiss all the questions and facts that are readily available to anyone who cares to look. Unfortunately, I realize this is a bdsm website and not one generally populated with very many folks with the willingness or the capability to look at all the data, or even click on a few of the links given. But, c'est la vie. It's just the way it is and always will be.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20100219/pl_usnw/DC57612_1

1,000 Architects & Engineers Call for New 9/11 Investigation

PR Newswire

Fri Feb 19, 8:00 am ET

SAN FRANCISCO, Feb. 19 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ --

Richard Gage, AIA, architect and founder of the non-profit Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Inc. (AE911Truth), will announce a decisive milestone today at a press conference in San Francisco, as more than 1,000 worldwide architects and engineers now support the call for a new investigation into the destruction of the Twin Towers and Building 7 at the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001. After careful examination of the official explanation, along with the forensic data omitted from official reports, these professionals have concluded that a new independent investigation into these mysterious collapses is needed.

Mr. Gage will deliver the news around this major development, accompanied by signers of the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth petition. The press conference will be held concurrently in 38 cities in 6 countries. http://www.ae911truth.org/info/160

These prominent architectural and engineering professionals will discuss the organization's findings and concerns. A brief presentation of the explosive evidence they have compiled will be followed by Q & A. The presentation is an important update of "9/11: Blueprint for Truth – The Architecture of Destruction," the DVD produced by the organization, and available on their website AE911Truth.org, which analyzes  the scientific forensic evidence concluding that the three skyscrapers in New York City were demolished with explosives on 9/11.  The petition will be delivered today to every congressional representative by AE911Truth petition signers throughout the country.  Government officials will be notified that "Misprision of Treason", US Code 18 (Sec. 2382), is a serious federal offense which requires those with evidence of treason to act.   ...<snip>...

Excellent Analysis of the North Tower Exploding.

A&E for 9/11 Truth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyoayCU42hM&feature=player_embedded


http://militantlibertarian.org/2010/02/16/what-the-new-9-11-photos-show/

What the New 9-11 Photos Show

Posted: February 16th, 2010 by Militant Libertarian

by Christopher Bollyn

Eight and a half years after 9-11, we are finally able to view the photos
taken by a photographer in a New York City Police Department helicopter
hovering over the scene of the crime.  Why has it taken so long for these
photos of the crime of the century to be released?  What do these newly
released photos tell us?

There is certainly a great deal of evidence contained in these hundreds of
photographs, which will take some time to analyze, but one thing is very
clear.  The Twin Towers were turned into dust.  The concrete and steel frame
towers were reduced to immense clouds of dust and this was not caused by the
potential energy of the buildings being released as they fell.  The towers
were pulverized through the use of many tons of super-thermite, which was
discovered in the dust by Professor Steven E. Jones.  Looking at these
photos, one can see that the towers were exploded and turned into dust in the
same instant.  The photos validate the thesis, now proven, that the Twin
Towers – and the lives within them – were destroyed by demolition charges and
tons of super-thermite which had been applied to the concrete floors,
probably on the undersides of the floor pans. ...<snip>...

[The columns and beams also had to have cutter charges on them.]

Here is a compendium of authoritative 911 web sites

The destruction of our constitution and Bill of Rights, as well as the current
ill-advised wars trace to the events of 9/11. If it is true that it was an
inside job designed to create a handy crisis for those wishing to seize
power, we should at least ask, "what if it is true?" Much serious analysis
has examined the question, and the answers are disturbing. See:

http://www.inteldaily.com/news/172/ARTICLE/10300/2009-04-06.html

Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center
Catastrophe

By Dr. Steven Jones

"Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center
Catastrophe"
by Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M.
Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley and Bradley R.
Larsen

The paper ends with this sentence: "Based on these observations, we conclude
that the red layer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust
is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is
a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material."

In short, the paper explodes the official story that "no evidence" exists for
explosive/pyrotechnic materials in the WTC buildings. ...<snip>...


Tons of Math and Science and Engineering and Data in many of the following links

Journal of 9/11 Studies
http://www.journalof911studies.com/

Thank you for visiting The Journal of 9/11 Studies, a peer-reviewed,
open-access, electronic-only journal, covering the whole of research related
to the events of 11 September, 2001. Many fields of study are represented in
the journal, including Engineering, Physics, Chemistry, Mathematics and
Psychology. All content is freely available online. Our mission in the past
has been to provide an outlet for evidence-based research into the events of
9/11 that might not otherwise have been published..........


PHYSICS 911 is created and maintained by a group of scientists, engineers and
other professionals known collectively as the Scientific Panel Investigating
Nine-eleven ... http://physics911.net/

See also

Video from Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth

In the 2008 Edition of this stunning multimedia presentation, filmed
professionally in a studio before a live audience, San Francisco Bay Area
architect, Richard Gage, AIA, provides the myth-shattering scientific
forensic evidence of the explosive controlled demolition of all 3 WTC
high-rise buildings on September 11, 2001.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b74naeawdCs&feature=PlayList&p=621A4B03C1169C78&index=0&playnext=1

The video can be watched here, also, along with shorter versions:
http://www.ae911truth.org/

The list of architects and engineers is here:
http://www.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php

Engineers and Architects
Question the 9/11 Commission Report
http://patriotsquestion911.com/engineers.html

Pilots and Aviation Professionals
Question the 9/11 Commission Report
http://patriotsquestion911.com/pilots.html

Professors
Question the 9/11 Commission Report
http://patriotsquestion911.com/professors.html

Senior Military, Intelligence, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials
Question the 9/11 Commission Report
http://patriotsquestion911.com/

Highly Credible People
Question the 9/11 Commission Report
http://www.911blogger.com/node/11094
http://www.911blogger.com/node/11112

http://www.911docs.net/


http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=WOO20100214&articleId=17624
The Media Response to the Growing Influence of the 9/11 Truth Movement.
Part II: A Survey of Attitude Change in 2009-2010
by Elizabeth Woodworth


DVDs Available For Those Who
Question the 9/11 Commission Report
http://www.onedollardvdproject.com

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Pahunk, you missed the last bit of the quote. The part that said they do not currently ask for seven days notice of withdrawal, and havent done so in the past.

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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

Hunk, we were already supposed to be in hyperinflation with a devaluation.

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if you want to be treated with respect try treating others with respect.

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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

Hunk, we were already supposed to be in hyperinflation with a devaluation.

explain please:

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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

Last year you quoted Chapman, IIRC, that we would have hyperinflation and a devaluation of the dollar.

Needless to say, it hasn't happened yet.

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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

Last year you quoted Chapman, IIRC, that we would have hyperinflation and a devaluation of the dollar.

Needless to say, it hasn't happened yet.

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

Hunk, we were already supposed to be in hyperinflation with a devaluation.

explain please:

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

Last year you quoted Chapman, IIRC, that we would have hyperinflation and a devaluation of the dollar.

Needless to say, it hasn't happened yet.

They took the M1 Money curve off the fed report in hmm... 2005 I think because it was no longer a curve it went straight up.

Do you even know how to tell if the dollar has been devaluated?

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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

Last year you quoted Chapman, IIRC, that we would have hyperinflation and a devaluation of the dollar.

Needless to say, it hasn't happened yet.

They took the M1 Money curve off the fed report in hmm... 2005 I think because it was no longer a curve it went straight up.

Do you even know how to tell if the dollar has been devaluated?

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/M1

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

yup its in there alrightee

< MrMisters post >

go find it then talk to me.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Pahunk, you missed the last bit of the quote. The part that said they do not currently ask for seven days notice of withdrawal, and havent done so in the past.

The point is that is now their policy.  And not just citi bank- but other large banks are doing the same.   This will come in handy when they do the currency devaluation.

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RO-  picture that I am a big bank.

I require 7 day notice to let you have your money.

how does that sound?

they have to put in a money to the federal reserve for it LOL

thought ya'd catch me eh?  LOL

What if I told you most of the large banks have this 7 day wait effective 4-1-10 and this applies to EVERY state?

...and that it is specifically written into their TOS fine print.

yeh ask them why man, they have to order it the federal reserve.  It has been that way on large sums for some time now. 

All they do is keep a ledger.

An almost identical advisory to the one being sent out can be read on page 22 of Citbank’s Client Manual effective January 1, 2010, which can be read here from Citibank’s own website. “We reserve the right to require seven (7) days advance notice before permitting a withdrawal from all checking, savings and money market accounts.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

yup its in there alrightee

just to be perfectly clear since you seem to have such difficulty in keeping the nexus of the conversation my response below is referring to the above underlined.

< MrMisters post >

go find it then talk to me.

I mentioned someone had claimed that the underside of the floors had been coated with thermite, and you said I was talking B/s. You have just posted the correct thread that contains the reference.

What do you want to debate ? I have already said there is no way the underside of the floors could have been covered in thermite.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

yup its in there alrightee

just to be perfectly clear since you seem to have such difficulty in keeping the nexus of the conversation my response below is referring to the above underlined.

< MrMisters post >

go find it then talk to me.

I mentioned someone had claimed that the underside of the floors had been coated with thermite, and you said I was talking B/s. You have just posted the correct thread that contains the reference.

What do you want to debate ? I have already said there is no way the underside of the floors could have been covered in thermite.

DUH!

that was sarcasm its NOT in there. get it? 

if you want to claim its in there then prove up your fucking claim or stfu.

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Posted: February 16th, 2010 by Militant Libertarian
by Christopher Bollyn

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The photos validate the thesis, now proven, that the Twin
Towers – and the lives within them – were destroyed by demolition charges and
tons of super-thermite which had been applied to the concrete floors,
probably on the undersides of the floor pans.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

why the fuck would anyone spray the ceilings


16 buildings 1500 pounds to shoot em and you seen the video how many fucking times and you still spout the same shit?

There comes a time when willful dumb ass needs to be called what it is.

Because MrMister had a link to architects against 9/11. If you had bothered to even read it, you would see that spraying the ceilings is the suggestion put forward, by a site which YOU have used before to back your claim. So here we have YOU admitting one of your sources is making a ridiculous claim.

What was that about "Willful dumbass"

lots of people I would take that at face value coming from you bullshit unless you put up the quote.  just more of your conflated obtuse obfuscation.

quote or shove it.

Its  a source you have used. If you want to find the quote do what I did and read MrMisters links.

While I am at it, you never did say if you have any experience of working in demolition or construction, was the question too simple for you ?

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

yup its in there alrightee

just to be perfectly clear since you seem to have such difficulty in keeping the nexus of the conversation my response below is referring to the above underlined.

< MrMisters post >

go find it then talk to me.

I mentioned someone had claimed that the underside of the floors had been coated with thermite, and you said I was talking B/s. You have just posted the correct thread that contains the reference.

What do you want to debate ? I have already said there is no way the underside of the floors could have been covered in thermite.

DUH!

that was sarcasm its NOT in there. get it? 

if you want to claim its in there then prove up your fucking claim or stfu.

You have just made yourself look very stupid and arrogant. I was even kind enough to give you several chances to look again for yourself. Scroll down about 1/4 to 1/3 of the way, on MrMisters post. It is just underneath this heading, in the second paragraph.

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Posted: February 16th, 2010 by Militant Libertarian
by Christopher Bollyn

As the saying goes, read the bottom line.

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The photos validate the thesis, now proven, that the Twin
Towers – and the lives within them – were destroyed by demolition charges and
tons of super-thermite which had been applied to the concrete floors,
probably on the undersides of the floor pans.

Can i stfu now.