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Are all the courtship steps the same here? - 2/25/2010 1:59:41 PM   
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During my very short period here it seems to me that many men (I'm talking about the ones that wish to be submissive) seems to think that the dominant women here are very different from 'vanilla' women. That they somehow are wired in a different way from other women. That they aren't attracted to the same types of men outside of the bedroom as vanilla women are. It just seems to me that many men do the mistake of skipping the first steps of courtship and go straight to the sexual part.

I don' know, that's why I'm asking. I'm just curious to know.

If there ever were a part of your life when you weren't into bdsm, were you attracted to other types of men then from the ones you are attracted to now?
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RE: Are all the courtship steps the same here? - 2/25/2010 2:18:27 PM   
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I've never been anything but D/s oriented, although my vanilla phases are yummy too.... So, can't help ya there.


The men you're running into are the same kinds of men who, in the vanilla world, just want easy meat. They may even be vanilla, and just think they can get easy sex here. Whatever- they're not worth wasting your time on. Block and delete are your friends.

HELPFUL HINT: If you check the box next to someone's message, and then hit the "save" button above your list of messages, it will be sent to the email that you used, to register here. You can then delete these wankers' messages without actually opening them on CM, so that in their sent messages folder all they'll see is "deleted unread".
You can then read their message in your other email, or not. But they'll be deprived of knowing whether or not you ever did. All they'll see is "deleted unread". You can block them at the same time, and in this way they'll be deprived of any pleasure they would have gotten from knowing that they wasted your time, or hurt your feelings, etc.

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RE: Are all the courtship steps the same here? - 2/25/2010 2:26:25 PM   
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Nice! Yeah, I think you're right. Just to clarify I'm not a woman, I'm a guy!


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RE: Are all the courtship steps the same here? - 2/25/2010 2:30:30 PM   
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Oh. Well since your screen name is gender neutral, it might help if you use an avatar that will clue us in, until you're better known here.

Gosh, I'm so nice today. I wonder what's gotten into me.

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RE: Are all the courtship steps the same here? - 2/25/2010 2:33:33 PM   
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Yeah right, why would I do that? It's my way of getting under the radar!

Mwuahaha

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RE: Are all the courtship steps the same here? - 2/25/2010 2:44:01 PM   
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I am attracted to the same types of men I always was attracted to. The difference now is I know which types I can live with and which I can't! lol So some attractions will have to stay at the attraction level.

I do think that many skip steps so to speak, at a site like this. Many jump in thinking it's a free for all, just get in the water at the deep end and someone will catch you. Then it's makey of whoopy all the day long with kinky overtones. But thankfully there are those out there that are brighter and more sincere and they can keep us smiling just knowing they are there and really smiling if we get to keep one.

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RE: Are all the courtship steps the same here? - 2/25/2010 2:57:46 PM   
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Offer considered tribute, don't talk about kinks, express enthusiasm for "service," listen attentively, demonstrate that you are well-adopted to the real world, and lastly list "crossdressing" under either dislikes or hard limits.

Post attractive pictures.
Be able to recite a Shakespearean sonnet.
Be good at a manly thing like throwing an axe (women loved that about Gary Hart) or fixing cars.
When fixing dinner, play the soundtrack from OUT OF AFRICA and serve red wine.
Be able to discuss the movie series Twilight in either a critical or sympathetic fashion.

When asked to describe yourself, say: "I aspire to be a male version of Jane Eyre."

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RE: Are all the courtship steps the same here? - 2/25/2010 3:22:17 PM   
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That would totally bore me or make me sick to my stomach as the act that it is.

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RE: Are all the courtship steps the same here? - 2/25/2010 3:24:32 PM   
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"Are all the courtship steps the same here?"

I hate this answer but it is the only answer that fits.  Depends on the woman.

I like to be courted for the most part, but there are times when I want to do the courting - not much help, huh?  However, for me at least, you are correct that I do not want to jump straight into the kink, and sex.  I do want to get to know someone a bit more before I delve into those discussions.  Women tend to be wired for emotional compatibility first, whereas men seem more wired for sexual compatibility first.  This disconnect often causes major communication breakdown.

"If there ever were a part of your life when you weren't into bdsm, were you attracted to other types of men then from the ones you are attracted to now?"

My taste in men has changed over the years, but I think that has more to do with growing as a person than it has to do with BDSM.  When I was younger, I was the rebellious sort, and looked for guys who would be rebellious with me.  Now that I'm a bit more mature (I'm still young dammit, I'm not even 40 yet), I look more for stability in a man.  One who is capable of keeping his word and honoring his commitments.

In all stages of my life I've always been more attracted to men who deferred to me.

EFC

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RE: Are all the courtship steps the same here? - 2/25/2010 9:57:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: coolwrighter
During my very short period here it seems to me that many men (I'm talking about the ones that wish to be submissive) seems to think that the dominant women here are very different from 'vanilla' women. That they somehow are wired in a different way from other women. That they aren't attracted to the same types of men outside of the bedroom as vanilla women are.


You can't pigeonhole what all dominant women want any more than you can pigeonhole what all women want.  It's going to vary a lot between individuals.  There is no one size fits all formula, so for each individual lady, you're going to have to ask.

Personally I am wired very differently, and a "traditional" courtship approach won't work on me at all.  But if a man can successfully show his desirability as a sex object while behaving with subtle deference and even a bit of shyness, that works like a charm to perk my ears up.  If he then demonstrates that he is intelligent, articulate and geeky enough to be fun to spend time with, he's pretty much got me right there.  Imma gonna hit that. 

He has to lure me with his charms into making the first move, not make it himself, or I'll probably lose interest.  A guy who can flirt effectively in a submissive way, offering teasing glimpses and promises of what I could have if I wanted to take him, is one who can always get my attention.  If his flirting gives off any dominant or sexually aggressive energy, it stops working.  It's not fun any more for me because his signals are all wrong and I'm totally turned off.

The vast majority of men who can flirt with me effectively are gay or bisexual.  Heterosexual men almost never learn this skill, and it's a pity.  This is why I rarely date exclusively heterosexual men.  They can't engage my interest because they don't know how to act like a hot bottom boy who is trying to attract a top's attention.  They do the traditional male-female dance instead, and it doesn't work for me because it's rooted in what are basically male dominant signals. 


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It just seems to me that many men do the mistake of skipping the first steps of courtship and go straight to the sexual part.


Yeah, that's not gonna go over real well with many people. Learn social skills. They matter.  Or go find a gloryhole in a bathhouse or something.  Or hire a hooker.  *shrug*  You won't have much success building a social relationship if you lead with your dick.


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If there ever were a part of your life when you weren't into bdsm, were you attracted to other types of men then from the ones you are attracted to now?


No.  I've always been attracted to submissive men sexually.  I don't dislike dominant men; they make great friends and workout buddies, but there's absolutely zero attraction or chemistry.  It's almost like they're the wrong gender.  Sexually they don't exist or don't register for me because their signals are the same as mine, so I read them as "same gender" or "same orientation" and totally incompatible.  If I like them, there's a brotherly feeling that totally excludes romance.


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RE: Are all the courtship steps the same here? - 2/26/2010 9:36:40 AM   
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For me, the qualities I find attractive in any man are the same as in a submissive partner. The types of courtship I am most receptive to are the same universally, but one from a submissive might be distinct, in that he is more inclined to design his approach to appeal to the Dominant side of me. Hopefully he would be able to achieve a balance in appealing to the other facets of me as well, or that could be less attractive.

I'm not sure that submissive men become sexual any more prematurely than some one who identifies differently, I guess I could see this as being a concern regardless of what side of the fence you're on. I would think one's comfort level would be very individual, but if they are unable to respect my boundaries sexually, or become too overtly sexual too soon or aggressively, then this is more a personal problem than a submissive problem.

To answer to the second part of your question, in retrospect, the types of men I found appealing before I found BDSM were very much the types I seek now. Respect, class, empathy and courage under fire, are what I find most appealing in a man before I even begin to think about his sex appeal.

When I do think about submissive sex appeal, one caveat comes to mind that's become mandatory. He's got to have a nice ass ;)

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RE: Are all the courtship steps the same here? - 2/26/2010 4:02:33 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: coolwrighter

During my very short period here it seems to me that many men (I'm talking about the ones that wish to be submissive) seems to think that the dominant women here are very different from 'vanilla' women. That they somehow are wired in a different way from other women. That they aren't attracted to the same types of men outside of the bedroom as vanilla women are. It just seems to me that many men do the mistake of skipping the first steps of courtship and go straight to the sexual part.

I don' know, that's why I'm asking. I'm just curious to know.

If there ever were a part of your life when you weren't into bdsm, were you attracted to other types of men then from the ones you are attracted to now?




My basic issues with men in the lifestyle (the submissive person) is they generally expect me (the Domme person) to be some kinky sex machine that wants them to do the things they think all D/s people do. (have kinky, male focused sex) They don't realize I mostly want them to clean the brake dust off my tires then bow at my feet. If my tires look realy good and they are very still and quiet bowing like that I might start to feel sexual toward them and will start looking for duct tape. So in answer to your question yes, I do need to be courted just like a vanilla woman. I just like different things. I'm still attracted to the same sort of man as I always was. I have always been happier leading relationships than being led.

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RE: Are all the courtship steps the same here? - 2/26/2010 7:48:56 PM   
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If there ever were a part of your life when you weren't into bdsm, were you attracted to other types of men then from the ones you are attracted to now?


I've always been attracted to gentlemen. Period.

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