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RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? - 5/14/2010 7:04:31 AM   
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My Husband is somewhat possessive... i quite like that...
but on the whole i think i would prefer it if He would share me, but maybe that is just a dark desire and when He would actually share me i would prefer it if He didn't....

I have NO time what soever for jealousy, i let myself be subjected to that in a sick relationship that lasted way too long, never again

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RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? - 5/14/2010 8:53:58 AM   
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Jealosy I hate, it implies distrust and can be very harmful to a relationship. I do however love when a man is very possesive of me... nice safe, warm place to be in a relationship.

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RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? - 5/14/2010 9:57:16 AM   
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I used to get so jealous of my ex, jealous of her lovers, I suppose I did feel possessive over her, even as her sub.  But I was also jealous of her, because she had another man who was her Dom, and she would tell me about the things he would do to her, and of the sexual attention she could command and receive.  I think that my jealousy and possessiveness ultimately even pushed her away, and it would make me sad and emotional a lot.  There was a certain kind of eroticism in making me jealous too, she would rub in my jealousy, purposefully, and it was not being evil or mean, it was very much a tease and denial "game."  Though its a very gray line, where jealousy can just poison a person and a relationship.

As a sub, I also like it if a woman is possessive over me...

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RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? - 5/14/2010 10:09:59 AM   
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How do you deal with jealousy if it ever arises so you dont become so angry and possessive over the whole situation?
I told Carol to knock it off... that jealousy was not a "slave" emotion as it implied rights which she does not have. I commanded her to embrace the other person with a loving heart. Yes, that worked. No, I would not expect it to work in most relationships. We've been together for long enough that her place is secure... independent of whoever or whatever else I am doing.

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RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? - 5/14/2010 1:49:32 PM   
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I don't agree at all with the posts that imply that jealousy is insecurity or negative in and of it's self. It is a normal reaction to a feeling that something you have and care for may be gone. It can be very negative if it isn't recognized and dealt with appropriately. A little bit of jealousy is cute, the whole you're not leaving the house without me posessiveness, not so cute and not something I would put up with.

OP I think "hate" is not just jealousy, it's something else that isn't productive or helpful to the relationship. What that something is varies. Insecurity? Obsessiveness? Morons trying to be a stereotype? Who knows. I think the way you deal with the garden variety of jealousy is by checking it out with your partner and talking about what's bothering you openly. The way you deal with "hate" is by running away and finding a new partner imo.

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RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? - 5/14/2010 10:02:44 PM   
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i was not aware that i was jealous or possessive of my Mistress till i first watched Her play with another. i was jealous and it bothered me. i had to think about what was more important my Mistress playing with me or Her playing with others and me for Her enjoyment. it did not last long and i felt better after it had been dealt with, but it was a strong emotional response and i was not expecting it. it hasn't bothered me at all since then as my Mistress enjoyment is paramount i know that i am Her slave and will still be so for many years to come

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RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? - 5/14/2010 10:08:20 PM   
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Jealousy is a composite emoiton. That means it is not an emotion all by itself, but it is made up of other emotions. This maes it extremely hard to pinpoint the cause of the jealous feelings. Jealousy is typically rooted in fear. Fear that you will be left alone, fear of being abandoned, fear of inferiority, fear of being replaced. Witch is totally different than possessiveness. They don't have to go hand in hand but often do. IMO neither are negative emotions or actions what makes them negative is how they affect your relationship and how you handle them.

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RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? - 5/15/2010 7:50:11 AM   
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I'm not sure it matters so much what motivates jealousy or possessiveness; what matters is what being jealous and possessive gets you, and that will vary from relationship to relationship. If it works, go for it. If not, don't. It's just one more choice in life.

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RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? - 5/15/2010 8:55:20 AM   
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brattykajira,

I believe there's a big difference between situational jealousy and those that possess the trait and demonstrate it in other areas of their lives. For some, it's a constant and for others certain scenarios bring it out. As for possessiveness, no matter how people spin it, we all experienced the mine zone as children. In a healthy home you learned how to share and developed the understanding that sharing didn't negate your claim or remove the fact that the article belonged to you. Hopefully you were also taught that it was unnecessary to constantly reiterate your ownership. But that usually went to smithereens when you felt that item was being ill treated or stood the chance of being so, or someone wanted to take it from you.

When you apply that to a relationship you'll get apples and oranges. As the thread has shown, both traits manifest themselves differently in everyone. For some, the idea of harboring either is abhorrent. Other people recognize and readily admit each have taken up residence at some juncture. While I have never been a jealous person, I have had people in my life that were quite adamant about sharing me. It wasn't limited to relationships, I saw the same behaviors in friendships too. That inevitably led me back to myself, because the coincidences were too plentiful to ignore. I attracted and nurtured those bonds for a reason. Now the idea of doing that seems strange.

In terms of my relationships, especially those involving a power exchange, much of what is stated doesn't apply. it isn't because neither entity can manifest itself in the partnership, I'm merely wise enough to realize they don't belong there. Perhaps I've learned to ask the larger question - what do these feelings stem from? Or maybe I've been put in my place frequently enough where the conditioning has taken root. I will never possess him. I can say he's mine and swoon with loving abandon. But theoretically, he isn't something I can stake a claim upon. I can admit the idea of someone encroaching upon our space might stimulate certain feelings, including some related to fear and insecurity. It's up to him to figure out how that would be handled. But I can't go as far to state that it isn't happening. That's a right I do not have in the context of my pairings.

Which brings me to crux of all of this. The context is where I usually return to. In the grand scheme of things, I consider if whatever I'm feeling is bigger than we are. Have I made a molehill a giant mountain shaped mirage, or is there some genuine validity to what I'm feeling? What drives the need to possess on my end? Is it based on an experience that has impacted me negatively within our relationship or something I've endured in the past that's been transferred to this situation? What's the cost of maintaining the behavior? Has it begun to erode us and create problems in areas where none existed? How does it impact my submission? Have I backtracked anywhere or closed off myself in some way?

And finally, what's the payoff? My behavior is part of a larger machine that's spinning in the background. What am I maintaining by continuing down this path, and what do I stand to lose if I fail to stop? When I look at the situation from those angles and answer honestly, I often realize nothing is worth the consequences I could face. It is far from win/win and the losses keep climbing with every instance.

You reach a point in your life where you can't wait for someone else to tell you to get your act together or knock it off. You have to be adult enough to have that conversation with yourself instead.

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RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? - 5/15/2010 9:26:11 AM   
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This is blatantly stolen from someone else on another board, and I apologize that I can't remember her name, or I'd give her credit for it. But nonetheless, here it is:

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Jealousy is the fear that the love you think belongs to you is going to be withheld from you.
The love that really belongs to you is the love you give.
The love you receive is grace, not entitlement.
Love is stronger than fear.


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RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? - 5/15/2010 10:01:23 AM   
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RE: Jealousy/ Possessiveness? - 5/17/2010 3:08:36 AM   
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so it is a bit vague what the difference is between possessiveness and jealousy
to me it is quite simple,

possessiveness has to do with a certain ownership, and in that way my Husband does own me and His decision not to share me sexually with others stands.
However, He is not jealous of me (often) fantasising about numerous men fucking me... He has no problem with me dancing very sensually with different men.
i feel free to be myself.

When i had a jealous boyfriend things were the otherway around. The bf really did not have the confidence to posses me as i am, and his ridiculous jealousy was like the green eyed monster, he did not trust me, he was sulking about everything and everybody and everything was a threat to him
i could not be myself

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RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? - 5/17/2010 8:27:43 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: brattykajira

Do you think jealousy and possessivness is the same thing, if so how?


No.

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If not what is the difference?


Possessiveness is a belief of entitlement. Jealousy is the emotional response to a perceived threat of loss of entitlement.

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Have you ever felt so jealous in a relationship you become possessive?


Yes.

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How do you deal with jealousy if it ever arises so you dont become so angry and possessive over the whole situation?


First, by remembering I am not entitled to anything; everyone is at liberty to make their own choices, just as I am.

Second, by staying true to myself, and not letting a lack of cooperation from others to deter me from reaching my own goals.

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RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? - 5/17/2010 5:54:01 PM   
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For me jealousy is something another creates in me by negative disrespectful behavior, without that I am trusting more or less. That said I am always posses, my slave is mine and he should confine himself to the terms of our arrangement ie if the agreement is you can have 2 other Mistresses okay until I find out you"ve been with 3 others . I guess jealousy is my reaction to a violation of trust. That said jealousy is not good in kink erelationships where some actually share and play with others.

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RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? - 5/18/2010 11:50:25 AM   
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Jealousy do not show how much u love somebody, it shows how insecure u are

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RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? - 6/12/2010 10:45:15 AM   
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My Dom can be a little possessive of me which I find nice and as another poster put it, a little warm and comforting.  When He wants to punish me He acts as if He could care less about what I do--and that stings a little.  I think jealousy is a normal emotion and possessiveness implies a sense of ownership. . .  I don't think either is necessary per se, bad in and of itself but, that being said, a little goes a long way.

But it can also be a game too.  My Dom loves humiliation, which is something that must be done very delicately.  We have a zero-sharing hard-limit agreement that applies equally to both of us.  Sometimes we go out and He will flirt the hostess just enough to get my attention.  I love and hate it at the same time and it turns me on if only because it's a display of His dominance.  However, He never goes too far or hurts my feelings.  In fact, it's a bit amusing to see her flirt back because as soon as she does, He's done and He makes it clear that I am His Schatzlein ("little treasure").

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RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? - 6/12/2010 10:59:51 AM   
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In large measures jealousy stems from insecurity. If you agree to having other partners but every time you get into a new relationship he spends all his free time with the new girl and not any time with you, then you will be jealous/envious/resentful/angry and so on. And rightfully.

If he wants it all to work then he can't abandon the first in favor of a second. Doing that would be as wrong as paying no attention to a preschooler once you have a new baby. Just because there's someone new doesn't mean the old relationship partner no longer has needs. And this is where the problem usually lies, the older one gets left on the shelf while the shiny new toy gets all the attention.


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RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? - 6/14/2010 11:41:41 AM   
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I can honestly say that my Master and I do not have any kind of jealousy issues, and I believe the trust we have for each other is one of the reasons we have had, for the most part, a successful relationship.  I believe a person can be possessive without being jealous, but usually a jealous person will be possessive.  The difference boils down to what the reason for the possessiveness is, and whether that possessiveness is positively or negatively influences the relationship.

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RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? - 6/14/2010 11:50:59 AM   
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I don't mind someone being a little possessive over me. If I'm his property, he probably has all right to be, as long as he doesn't take it to any extremes or level that would make me uncomfortable/fear for my health.

Jealousy... now that I don't understand. If I'm comfortable and confident in a relationship, and I know our levels of commitment, why would I be jealous? Why would he? We both know where we stand and know that we're both mature enough not to let an outside force change that.

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RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? - 6/14/2010 2:24:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: brattykajira
How do you deal with jealousy if it ever arises so you dont become so angry and possessive over the whole situation?
Well, I told Carol to cut it out. She obeyed. That seemed to work for us. And no, I'm not being flippant.

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