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brattykajira -> Jealousy/ Possessivness? (2/25/2010 5:51:32 PM)

Do you think jealousy and possessivness is the same thing, if so how? If not what is the difference? Do you think they tie together eventually? Have you ever felt so jealous in a relationship you become possessive?

How do you deal with jealousy if it ever arises so you dont become so angry and possessive over the whole situation?

Just a thought sometimes I see in relationships and the relationship becomes ruin because of so much hate in it.

-sugar




LafayetteLady -> RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? (2/25/2010 7:14:50 PM)

I don't think that they are the same thing, although someone who is jealous will usually be possessive.

I think that most people will feel at least a little jealous sometimes and it is perfectly normal. However, it is usually caused by insecurity. That insecurity can be caused by low self esteem, or it can be a direct result of the other partner's behavior. If there are problems in the relationship that aren't being dealt with, a person can feel insecure in their relationship and not necessarily have low self esteem.

So to answer your question, a lot depends on *why* you are feeling so jealous and possessive and angry. I understand you may not be asking in reference to yourself, but it is easier to just use "you" when answering, so it is a general "you."

If you are out somewhere and your partner is flirting with a very pretty girl and ignoring you, a little jealousy is normal, after all, that kind of behavior is inappropriate (in my opinion, regardless of the relationship dynamic). The "adult" response is to later communicate to your partner that his behavior made you uncomfortable and you would prefer he refrain from such behavior in the future. In a good relationship, that would be the end of it.

On the other hand, if your partner is constantly ogling other women and flirting shamelessly all the time, regardless of you explaining how it makes you feel, you will begin to be insecure in the relationship. At the same time, if that is what is happening, do you really want to be in that kind of relationship.

Now if the jealousy and possessiveness is caused by your personal insecurities, that is something entirely different. You will see your partner ogling and flirting even if it isn't happening. Your fears will make you possessive and ruin the relationship.

The only way to keep that type of jealousy from ruining the relationship is to figure out why you are so insecure and to attempt to fix that problem within yourself. No easy task for sure, but really the only way to keep it from ruining your relationship and future ones.

What it really boils down to is if your partner is doing things to make you jealous (many people do it on purpose) and no amount of talking makes it stop, then there really isn't a point to becoming so jealous and possessive. You should be angry because your partner is disrespecting you, but you can't fix it and need to re-evaluate the relationship.

If you are insecure about the relationship for reasons within yourself and not because of anything your partner is doing, then you have to figure out why you feel that way so you can fix the problem for the sake of your relationships. Most often that kind of insecurity is fall out from a previous relationship. Recognizing that your current partner is not the jerk who cheated on you, for example, is a start. Again, you talk with your current partner and let them know about these issues that you are trying to deal with ask them to be patient with you and help you overcome it. Sometimes, your current partner just reminding you politely when you are starting to let those feelings overwhelm you is enough to get it in check. Your partner shouldn't need to walk on eggshells around you, but at the same time, while you are working to overcome it, it is respectful to try to not be flirty or engage in the kind of behavior that makes you feel insecure.

At the end of the day, you are either in a relationship where your partner isn't worth the aggravation he is causing you, or you need to figure out what is making you feel insecure in your situation when there is nothing happening to make you insecure. Both problems will destry your relationship.




petmonkey -> RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? (2/25/2010 10:19:34 PM)

i have not, on the whole, felt a lot of jealousy or possessiveness in my relationships. i would however, use the word envy.  Sometimes i'm envious of other people.  When i feel that way, i assess why, if it's really valid, and if it is, i make it a goal to become or achieve a comparable situation.  For example, i'm envious of Sir's career.  i want a career that fulfills me the way His career fulfills Him.  So i've attempted to find that for myself. 
If i thought i felt jealous or possessive of Him when He's doing something else or with someone else, i've usually come around to the idea that it was envy--i want to do "that" too or i want to do "that" with Him too.  It's not so much, i'd rather He did these things with me instead, but that i'd rather He do these things with me also.  To me, jealousy and possessiveness are about exclusion rather than inclusion. i haven't the desire to exclude good things from His life, nor mine.  Now, some people have a different spin on this entirely.  They see feelings of jealousy and possessiveness as something that makes their partner special or their relationship special.  By excluding people or experiences from their relationship they're demonstrating that they see value in it.  That's a perfectly valid frame of mind too, just not mine.  




hopelesslyInvo -> RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? (2/26/2010 12:59:14 AM)

i don't lop them together myself.

jealousy is a pretty normal and healthy response when you are attached to someone/something and are missing/without.

possessive behavior is controlling.

you can be utterly jealous without being possessive, you can be possessive without being jealous in the least.

jealousy is like an emotional pain to me, possessiveness is a physical/psychological form of control.  i can't control that i'm jealous of the attention someone else is getting, i can control whether i make an ass out of myself by crossing lines.

i'm pretty dandy on the idea of dominants being possessive and me being jealous time to time.




VaguelyCurious -> RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? (2/26/2010 1:41:54 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: hopelesslyInvo

i can't control that i'm jealous of the attention someone else is getting


Technical point-that's not jealousy, that's envy. Jealousy is not wanting anyone else to have what you have. Envy is wanting what others have.

Descending into geekery for the best example I can think of: Gollum was jealous of the ring. The big bad dude who wanted the ring (whose name I have forgotten because I've never seen the films and I read the books about ten years ago) was envious of it.




shallowdeep -> RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? (2/26/2010 3:04:57 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

Technical point-that's not jealousy, that's envy. Jealousy is not wanting anyone else to have what you have. Envy is wanting what others have.

Descending into geekery for the best example I can think of: Gollum was jealous of the ring. The big bad dude who wanted the ring (whose name I have forgotten because I've never seen the films and I read the books about ten years ago) was envious of it.

Actually, if we're being technical, I think you are being overly precise with your denotations. The definition of jealousy is a superset that encompasses meanings of both possessiveness and envy according to my dictionary. I checked to make sure, but it seems to be the same on your side of the pond as well.

And you meant Sauron.

I'm suddenly worried for your geek credentials; but, hey, no one is perfect... :)




VaguelyCurious -> RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? (2/26/2010 3:13:38 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: shallowdeep

quote:

ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

Technical point-that's not jealousy, that's envy. Jealousy is not wanting anyone else to have what you have. Envy is wanting what others have.

Descending into geekery for the best example I can think of: Gollum was jealous of the ring. The big bad dude who wanted the ring (whose name I have forgotten because I've never seen the films and I read the books about ten years ago) was envious of it.

Actually, if we're being technical, I think you are being overly precise with your denotations. The definition of jealousy is a superset that encompasses meanings of both possessiveness and envy according to my dictionary. I checked to make sure, but it seems to be the same on your side of the pond as well.

And you meant Sauron.

I'm suddenly worried for your geek credentials; but, hey, no one is perfect... :)


Well maybe I had overly picky Eng Lit teachers, but it was definitely something drummed into us at school...

And I have no geek credentials. I might be a physics student, but you wouldn't know it to look at me...
:-P




antipode -> RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? (2/26/2010 9:23:49 AM)

quote:

How do you deal with jealousy


When I stopped being jealous and possesssive, many years ago, since these are destructive emotions, she went "You don't love me any more". You just can't win.




littleone35 -> RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? (2/26/2010 3:47:50 PM)

They are not the same thing. Master is very possessive of me but its not cause he is insecure he is just that way with what belongs to him. Master knows he is not my first master, and he also knows whrn i wad domless i had play partners. He is no jealous he knows there is no reason to be. That is all in the past and i am his now so he does not worry bout what i did when i was not with him. I tend to be jealous, but Master gives me no reason to be that way so with him i am not.

Matt's littleone




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? (2/26/2010 5:06:25 PM)

 
Possessivness = Desire

Jealousy = Insecurity

[:D]





AcademyForSlaves -> RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? (2/27/2010 8:55:28 PM)

Hi.

Jealousy can be about insecurities, competitiveness, and ego but it might also be a lack of trust, dishonesty, deceit, or disloyalty. The dominant might have an agreement with the slave but if one of them plays with another that breaks their agreement that can cause jealousy, etc. Honesty, communication, and an agreement they both keep will help prevent this problem.

Me and the Mistress friends I know share and exchange our slaves at our parties so everyone gets to learn how to handle jealousy and cope with it like mature adults, but for some it still requires the mutual agreement I talked about above.

Hope this helps.




trueshadow -> RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? (4/4/2010 4:59:53 PM)

It really depends upon how the relationship is defined in the beginning.  If I know my partner is not monogamous, and I go in knowing she will have sexual relations with others, then I can't claim I was surprised when it happens.  I can't say I wouldn't have feelings about it, but it's best to be up-front about what you expect from another.

If I was promised fidelity, and was not given it, then, yes, I would be surprised and hurt.




Andalusite -> RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? (4/5/2010 8:03:26 AM)

My Master is very possessive of me, but not jealous or suspicious.[:D] We communicated about our boundaries, and he trusts me to abide by them.




AllLockedUp -> RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? (4/5/2010 8:37:38 AM)

I can honestly say that I sometimes can be both. It isn't often because it can get ugly. Usually I lean more on the possessive side. Trust is the key to my issues. Don't give me a reason to be either jealous OR possesive.




beej -> RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? (4/5/2010 10:28:51 AM)

jealousy is reaction, whether you are a fan of it or not. possessiveness can be an internal directive and an entirely positive one, depending on how/why it is executed.




Kana -> RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? (4/5/2010 8:38:13 PM)

Crazy as it sounds, I really do not fathom jealousy and never have. Either she likes me, and wants to be with me, or she doesn't.
If she does, I trust her.
If I don't trust her, why in the world would I let her in my life?




trappedinamuseum -> RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? (4/5/2010 8:39:33 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kana

Crazy as it sounds, I really do not fathom jealousy and never have. Either she likes me, and wants to be with me, or she doesn't.
If she does, I trust her.
If I don't trust her, why in the world would I let her in my life?



Duuuuude....why ya gotta be all logical and stuff?

Looking forward to seeing you in May!!!

[:D]




Kana -> RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? (4/5/2010 8:52:15 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: trappedinamuseum

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kana

Crazy as it sounds, I really do not fathom jealousy and never have. Either she likes me, and wants to be with me, or she doesn't.
If she does, I trust her.
If I don't trust her, why in the world would I let her in my life?



Duuuuude....why ya gotta be all logical and stuff?

Looking forward to seeing you in May!!!

[:D]



Laughs. I am sure that being sensible and reasonable is against several basic rules of forum posting.
I mean really, how much fun would boards be if everyone acted like that.
Craaaaaazy.

Grins-Look forward to seeing you to TIAM!




DWCskitten -> RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? (4/5/2010 9:27:17 PM)

i kind of see both Possessiveness and Jealousy as coming from the "mine, all mine" perspective, but possessiveness is where you feel like someone belongs to you, and jealousy is you don't want anyone else to have that person like you do. You can be possessive without being jealous, but if you get really jealous then, yes, you will be possessive. i don't know if that makes any sense or not. And then with poly or any situation where you have to share, there is also time envy, which doesn't necessarilly mean either possessiveness or jealousy. Or you can just wish you had more time with Someone, without necessarilly falling victim to time envy. i've done a lot of thinking about possessiveness, jealousy, and time envy, since i'm in my first poly relationship, and so far i don't see a lot of any of those in myself, thank Goddess.

~kitten~




kateindenver -> RE: Jealousy/ Possessivness? (5/13/2010 7:02:12 PM)

i ma marrfied to a sub. we have ben married for 33 years. he found a mistress 4 years ago and aftyer 33 years with him i found myself flying sdolo and i was jealous, hurt and plain afraid that he might leave me for her. Time passed and i found my mastert. we both are very happy now. This has actually brought us much closer/ we have a firm rule though. we keep our D./s lives seperate.




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