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Jaybeee -> Questions for the irreligious here; do you believe in anything greater than yourself? (2/26/2010 10:08:24 AM)

I've heard it said a few times that it's healthy to believe in the existence of a benign authority, whatever the shape of it is, be it compassionate government, the wisdom of the masses, etc. That's it's important that some, any power larger than yourself (unseen or otherwise) has your best interests in mind, or at least, to BELIEVE that's the case.

So, to those who do NOT believe in God, do you believe in the existence, or importance (or both/neither) of benign authority?



Musicmystery -> RE: Questions for the irreligious here; do you believe in anything greater than yourself? (2/26/2010 10:17:35 AM)

What does that even mean?

Certainly nature is bigger. Benign? More like just is. Makes life possible, which I enjoy.



CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Questions for the irreligious here; do you believe in anything greater than yourself? (2/26/2010 10:31:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Jaybeee

I've heard it said a few times that it's healthy to believe in the existence of a benign authority, whatever the shape of it is, be it compassionate government, the wisdom of the masses, etc. That's it's important that some, any power larger than yourself (unseen or otherwise) has your best interests in mind, or at least, to BELIEVE that's the case.

So, to those who do NOT believe in God, do you believe in the existence, or importance (or both/neither) of benign authority?


I don't believe in a "benign authority". I -do- believe in the collective consciousness, and in the conservation of energy -- so I believe that that collective consciousness is timeless, and if we know (or learn) how to tap that endless resource for info, we can get the answer to just about any question we can both conceive of and grasp that there might be an answer to. I believe that it is neither benign nor hostile, neither benevolent nor cruel, it is not conscious, and serves no purpose other than existing. It does not exist for my well-being, nor to make life more difficult. It does not set rules or enforce them -- it just -is-, and that is sufficient unto itself.You will, on occasion, for simplicity's sake, hear me refer to this collective consciousness as "the Universe", and that about says it all for me.

Calla



Rule -> RE: Questions for the irreligious here; do you believe in anything greater than yourself? (2/26/2010 10:47:45 AM)

Some people and pagan gods are benign; others are not. The Divine itself is indifferent: can't have favorites, you know.



subtee -> RE: Questions for the irreligious here; do you believe in anything greater than yourself? (2/26/2010 11:56:56 AM)

Is the catholic God benign? I don't know. The nuns are rumored to be really mean.

Do catholics sometimes do something wrong, knowing there will be confession and then absolution?

Just thinking about this because I'm eating a chicken-artichoke-spinach pizza and my catholic colleagues won't eat it....

~hijacktee...sorry



Jeffff -> RE: Questions for the irreligious here; do you believe in anything greater than yourself? (2/26/2010 12:00:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

What does that even mean?

Certainly nature is bigger. Benign? More like just is. Makes life possible, which I enjoy.


I would say Nature is indifferent. I would not call it benign.


And Tee?..... I was raised Catholic. I had a cheese burger today.

I am going to hell in a handbasket, want a lift?......:)



Musicmystery -> RE: Questions for the irreligious here; do you believe in anything greater than yourself? (2/26/2010 12:01:22 PM)

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Is the catholic God benign? I don't know. The nuns are rumored to be really mean.


No, not at all--some of them are really quite nice....

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subtee -> RE: Questions for the irreligious here; do you believe in anything greater than yourself? (2/26/2010 12:03:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Jeffff


And Tee?..... I was raised Catholic. I had a cheese burger today.

I am going to hell in a handbasket, want a lift?......:)


I'm way ahead of you, but I'll wait up. [;)]

So, is that what your nuns looked like?



Mercnbeth -> RE: Questions for the irreligious here; do you believe in anything greater than yourself? (2/26/2010 12:04:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
What does that even mean?
Certainly nature is bigger. Benign? More like just is. Makes life possible, which I enjoy.

I would say Nature is indifferent. I would not call it benign.


God may exist however there is no such think as 'Nature'. Per the religious, all global conditions, such as climate change, are caused by man made influence.



Musicmystery -> RE: Questions for the irreligious here; do you believe in anything greater than yourself? (2/26/2010 12:06:30 PM)

Wow. I didn't know Asshole was a religion.



Jeffff -> RE: Questions for the irreligious here; do you believe in anything greater than yourself? (2/26/2010 12:08:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: subtee


quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff


And Tee?..... I was raised Catholic. I had a cheese burger today.

I am going to hell in a handbasket, want a lift?......:)


I'm way ahead of you, but I'll wait up. [;)]

So, is that what your nuns looked like?


Not yet..... but I have hope....:)



DarlingSavage -> RE: Questions for the irreligious here; do you believe in anything greater than yourself? (2/26/2010 12:09:20 PM)

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Per the religious, all global conditions, such as climate change, are caused by man made influence.


That isn't true. The xtians think they have dominion over the earth, which translates into being able to do whatever you want to it. It doesn't matter anyway, cause Jesus is expected any second now to pop down here and take all the "saved souls" up to heaven in the rapture. Then, the rest of us, that didn't get saved, are going to be damned to suffer through the tribulation. If that doesn't make us believe in god and get saved, then we'll be thrown into a lake of fire to suffer for all eternity. Nice guy, huh!




Mercnbeth -> RE: Questions for the irreligious here; do you believe in anything greater than yourself? (2/26/2010 12:13:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Wow. I didn't know Asshole was a religion.


As the Pope - You should.[;)]

Another illustration of your wit and intelligence.

I know, I know, you hate those mirrors! A real bitch huh?



NorthernGent -> RE: Questions for the irreligious here; do you believe in anything greater than yourself? (2/26/2010 2:29:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jaybeee

So, to those who do NOT believe in God, do you believe in the existence, or importance (or both/neither) of benign authority?



In my own way I suppose I do. I believe that our environment shapes us far more than we shape the environment - though it's comforting to believe that we're the sole masters of our destiny.

Edited to add: more of an opinion than a belief - I haven't undertaken a joint venture with circumstance.



Termyn8or -> RE: Questions for the irreligious here; do you believe in anything greater than yourself? (2/28/2010 10:47:23 PM)

The universe is a being, of which we are a part.

Want more just ask. In my mind I have resolved all theological issues as related to the creation of the universe, and Man.

It really sucks because there is very litttle now that is a mystery to me.

T



ModeratorSeven -> RE: Questions for the irreligious here; do you believe in anything greater than yourself? (3/1/2010 4:56:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: subtee

Is the catholic God benign? I don't know. The nuns are rumored to be really mean.


Yes we are subtee, so you better watch yourself [;)]



stella41b -> RE: Questions for the irreligious here; do you believe in anything greater than yourself? (3/1/2010 5:16:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

It really sucks because there is very litttle now that is a mystery to me.

T


What about computers?



DarkSteven -> RE: Questions for the irreligious here; do you believe in anything greater than yourself? (3/1/2010 5:24:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

God may exist however there is no such think as 'Nature'. Per the religious, all global conditions, such as climate change, are caused by man made influence.



Interesting viewpoint.  But then why do Christians pray for divine intervention sometimes? 

Per Genesis, G-d created Nature and then rested on the seventh day.  In other words, He let Nature have a day of independence to run things without His guidance.  But it's pretty clear that He returned to the job after that day.



GotSteel -> RE: Questions for the irreligious here; do you believe in anything greater than yourself? (3/1/2010 7:04:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Jaybeee
I've heard it said a few times that it's healthy to believe in the existence of a benign authority


I've heard a few times that it's healthy to believe in unicorns. Just because you've heard a few people endorse a belief doesn't make it true. If you think a belief in some sort of authority is healthy perhaps you can explain why and we can have a meaningful discussion. Otherwise all I can say is I don't believe in belief, that's why I'm an atheist.  




heartcream -> RE: Questions for the irreligious here; do you believe in anything greater than yourself? (3/1/2010 7:14:40 AM)

I believe the Earth is an entity like anyone of us.

She has an image of herself like anyone of us. I think she can can toss off anyone not aligned with her image if she so chooses. I think the Universe is very merciful, patient and loving at it's core.

Due to many misunderstandings, misperceptions, judgments and unexpressed feelings things got really gnarly there, here and everywhere. The natural balance will be found and things will be put right in the end. We all have responsibility in this, all of us. We all helped to fuck it up and we can all help to right the wrongs, heal the sick, become so much of who we were meant to be, live the way we dreamed we could on a planet big fat and healthy.

I think the Catholic religion is full of oppressed doo doo like almost every religion is.

Some nuns are beyond evil. Some nuns are not.

I think God is cool, not your basic frozen image of Him though as someone who watches your every move to judge you or doesnt look at all and all the rest of it.

I definitely think there is more going on than the pentacled radioza running around this place often thinks there is.



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