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RE: No news is interesting news. - 2/27/2010 8:27:42 AM

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RE: No news is interesting news. - 2/27/2010 8:29:16 AM

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It was actually a perfect representation of the accuracy of my oft-stated belief that
conservatism is rooted in analysis,

That would be the analysis of the balance sheet.

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liberalism in emotion.

That would be the emotion that causes people to form societies for the benifit of all not the benifit of the rich.

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RE: No news is interesting news. - 2/27/2010 8:30:52 AM

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It was actually a perfect representation of the accuracy of my oft-stated belief that
conservatism is rooted in analysis,

That would be the analysis of the balance sheet.

And examining the balance sheet, we find no conservatives, anywhere.

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RE: No news is interesting news. - 2/27/2010 8:34:37 AM

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RE: No news is interesting news. - 2/27/2010 8:36:07 AM

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lol

i was wondering if you were gonna chime in zephy!

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RE: No news is interesting news. - 2/27/2010 8:40:01 AM

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*grins* I try not to disappoint, tazzy.....my record is perfect, or at least I think so

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RE: No news is interesting news. - 2/27/2010 8:41:35 AM

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Let's be accurate, Dickhead. You twist things whatever way suits your mood at the time, cherry picking facts. That makes two things I get tired of.

The first was the repetitive pattern of claiming no coverage when there's plenty of coverage. You've been busted again.

Let's add a third--the continual straw man creations to pretend you have an argument. My criticism of this administration's handling of affairs, especially health care, is hardly hidden on this forum. But that would mean you have to actually address me and my actual points. Too much trouble for you, so you toss it all aside and attack the invented version.

Let's get serious. You know my problem with conservatives? It's not the ideology. That has a deserved place. It's the bullshit above, over and over and over and over and fucking over.

You want to have a discussion? Discuss.

Nope. You want to change the subject.

Stop beating around the bush and tell us what you really think.

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RE: No news is interesting news. - 2/27/2010 8:44:19 AM

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I refuse to do politics on my birthday..., thas my scuse and im sticking to it

Awww, I wish I woulda seen this yesterday

Happy Birthday Lucy!!!!!! (belated)

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RE: No news is interesting news. - 2/27/2010 8:52:52 AM

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Somebody needs to get laid...

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You want to have a discussion? Discuss.

Nope. You want to change the subject.

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RE: No news is interesting news. - 2/27/2010 8:56:51 AM

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Let's be accurate, Dickhead. You twist things whatever way suits your mood at the time, cherry picking facts. That makes two things I get tired of.

The first was the repetitive pattern of claiming no coverage when there's plenty of coverage. You've been busted again.

Let's add a third--the continual straw man creations to pretend you have an argument. My criticism of this administration's handling of affairs, especially health care, is hardly hidden on this forum. But that would mean you have to actually address me and my actual points. Too much trouble for you, so you toss it all aside and attack the invented version.

Let's get serious. You know my problem with conservatives? It's not the ideology. That has a deserved place. It's the bullshit above, over and over and over and over and fucking over.

You want to have a discussion? Discuss.

Nope. You want to change the subject.

Stop beating around the bush and tell us what you really think.

Seriously. This is what "conservative" has come to mean. Like it's some kind of win/lose point-scoring game. Discussion is impossible, but it's always change the subject.

The Rino hunt in the Republican party reminds me of this too. Here's one simplistic way---all others are the enemy who think straw position X. An artificial world of conservatives and liberals, all matters clouded by that erroneously assumed vision.

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RE: No news is interesting news. - 2/27/2010 9:27:38 AM

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peeking in ..thankyou for the birthday wishes everyone, hugs to those who want one.

FR Its the apparent manipulation, goading, and baiting in pseudo intellectual insults that get me, and the pretending not to understand that some of us know exactly what you are doing that is so damn tiresome and repetitively boring.
I now treat it with the contempt it deserves.
As for the topic? the repubs got their asses handed on a plate again...very poooooor showing and nothing of worth to add to the situation except complaints and naysaying.
If they dont want Obama to make them look like naughty kids they should stop acting like them.
I thought the house of lords were jokes, but theres no need to follow in their footsteps

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RE: No news is interesting news. - 2/27/2010 10:04:14 AM

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I've heard various and seemingly contradictory things about reconciliation.

The chairman of the appropriate Senate committee (I forget the names- Finance?) is on record as saying that all bills that can be "reconciled" must originate in the House (constitutionally, of course, don't all revenue bills have to originate there?)?

I think the Pres of the Senate (the VP) is actually the arbiter of whether or not each particular item to be reconciled is eligible for reconciliation ( i.e. has a substantial impact on... taxes and revenues?) but in practice has always deferred to the Parlimentarian?

Doesn't the bill have to reconciled clause by clause, (section by section?), and unlimited opportunities for amendments offered in each case?

Byrd and Rockefeller have both spoken against reconciliation? It might be hard to get 50 votes......

ALL reconciled matters sunset in five years???

Most drama in DC since Nam, for my money.... but looking at the above, it seems to me the Ds are beating a dead horse.

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RE: No news is interesting news. - 2/27/2010 10:11:24 AM

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wilbur had a very good explicatory cite on how reconciliation would have to work according to current rules and I cant find it, maybe he will pop along and redo it here.

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RE: No news is interesting news. - 2/27/2010 10:26:32 AM

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I've heard various and seemingly contradictory things about reconciliation.

The chairman of the appropriate Senate committee (I forget the names- Finance?) is on record as saying that all bills that can be "reconciled" must originate in the House (constitutionally, of course, don't all revenue bills have to originate there?)?

I think the Pres of the Senate (the VP) is actually the arbiter of whether or not each particular item to be reconciled is eligible for reconciliation ( i.e. has a substantial impact on... taxes and revenues?) but in practice has always deferred to the Parlimentarian?

Doesn't the bill have to reconciled clause by clause, (section by section?), and unlimited opportunities for amendments offered in each case?

Byrd and Rockefeller have both spoken against reconciliation? It might be hard to get 50 votes......

ALL reconciled matters sunset in five years???

Most drama in DC since Nam, for my money.... but looking at the above, it seems to me the Ds are beating a dead horse.

Reconciliation is basicly a sending the bill back to the Senate with instructions related to budgetary and deficit items. In other words, to get the process started the House would have to vote through the current Senate bill without changing even a comma, then draft another bill that included the budget instructions. From my understanding each portion of the reconciled bill would be up for a simple majority vote as long as they related to existing mandates and the budget. Sen. Byrd got an additional rule passed in relation to the reconciliation rule that he helped draft. The Byrd rule disallows any extraneous material to get passed via the process, meaning anything not dealing with the budget and a current mandate would be subject to philibuster

Basicly the only parts of the bill that would be passable under reconciliation would be the new taxes and the cuts to medicare, everything else would be fodder. If the Dems attempted to have the VP overrule the parlimentarian, there would be an unlimited number of points of order, numerous votes on such, and if the VP was allowed to waive the Byrd rule through that process, it would open the bill up to unlimited ammendments being offered, which again would have to go through the usual Senate process.

To sum it up, the reconciliation process does not allow for policies and agendas to be railroaded through the Senate, and if there are any doubts about that just look at what the now majority was saying when they were the minority in 2005.

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