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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/4/2006 11:02:13 AM   
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I can speak more sensibly than he does on this subject after having had an eight year relationship with a licensed psychologist who is also a licensed hypnotherapist.


And?? I've been married to an accountant for nearly 12 years. That doesn't make me qualified to do someone's taxes or be the controller for a company. Hell, I could barely do books for my own business when I had one (which made being married to an accountant mighty handy at the time LOL). While I may have more general knowledge than some it doesn't make me more "sensible" than anyone else where finances are concerned. It just makes me a person with an opinion.

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You think the guy is funny? Actually, so do I. That doesn't mean he's not dangerously scary, though. I've seen a lot of funny drunks in my time. It can be hilarious to listen to them ramble and stagger around. It's not funny at all though when they get behind the wheel of a car and try to navigate themselves or others around town in a machine they have no control over. Then they become dangerous and quite likely to seriously hurt and maim innocent bystanders.


Yes, I do find him amusing. Partly for the fact that he seems to really believe what he's saying and partly for the way he's manage to get a few people worked up - not because he's a bit of a flake but because he's looking for peasants. Peasants! The outrage!  Let's get serious for a minute here - this is a site where people are looking for slaves. Isn't it a bit disingenuously sanctimonious to get worked up about that when others would come here and look at all the "Masters" looking for "slaves" and think the exact same thing? Perspective, people.

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Honestly, after reading some of his more recent posts like the "stamp test", I can't see how you could still take him seriously.


You must have missed the part where I said he was funny as hell. What part of that does not make it clear that I don't take him seriously? Back to reading comprehension 101 with you. Hmmm, maybe we can hypnotize our way to better reading comprehension?

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He also has made claims that he can hypnotize a penis into a "marathon hard on" state of readiness. Several other posters have made excellent rebuttals to his NLP nonsense as well, if you want to continue to believe this person has any real validity then that's up to you.


I refer you back to the part where I said I found him funny as hell. The only one who sees to be taking him seriously is you. Even others who have refuted what he has said haven't gotten into such a flap about it.

Vive le difference! If he wants to find a little village of peasants who are willing to be hypnotized what's the big deal? I don't think it's any worse than those who are here looking for 'no limits' slaves or 'cum sluts' or any of the other proclivities we come across in this milieu. And the reason I think that is because I don't take him seriously and don't really think he can do nearly as much harm as you think he can. IMO, you give the guy way too much credit. In the meantime I'll continue to find him and your reaction to him amusing

Edited because apparently I can spell milieu but not outrage. Eep!


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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/4/2006 11:34:56 AM   
ExistentialSteel


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Status: offline 		MsIncognito makes some good points. He is no different than the 75% of the D/s couples who want a second slave. He did stick around to answer our posts, unlike most of the BS ones who post and run. Plus, the stamp test is a very real, mainstream medical, technique used often. He is right about it being a screening means.

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/4/2006 11:45:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		I want to thank you MsIncognito that was a well defended post. The simple fact that you can see the similarities between what I am seeking here and what every one else is supposedly doing here. What seems strange to me is people hate to be judged by another quickly and with out really being known to the other person. i appreciate you having the courage to say what you mean.

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/4/2006 11:49:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		I want to thank you as well ExistentialSteel. You have asked questions and responded in ways that foster sharing. I don't mind if some one has a different way of thinking. The idea should be able to take care of itself if it is a useful idea. What is left over you use for improvement. Thanks for speaking up.

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery-Hypnotic Viagra - 4/4/2006 12:03:12 PM   
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The point isn't prescription or no prescription.


Yeah, actually, that is exactly the point. According to you, breaking the stamps means that they don't need Viagra. That's a 'medical' opinion and you're not qualified to make medical statements.

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It is a simple thing a guy can do to as a self test. It is not 100% reliable, but it can and has eased many men's minds.


I'm sure it's a huge relief to break those stamps.

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That is certainly no substitute for going to a MD.


Bingo!

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When some thing like this happens to a man it can be a crisis.


Well, thank you, Mr. Obvious.

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That is unless you want the prescription to be a marathon man. That happens more than you might think.


I'm sure the 30 million men out there with ED thank you for your compassion.



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If the ring is broken, then you don't need Viagra.


I noticed that you didn't address this but ignoring it won't make it go away. First of all, it's bullshit, so why don't you just admit it's bullshit, that you shouldn't have said it and that you are NOT qualified to give any sort of medical opinion on ED. Additionally it's irresponsible and unethical to make such a statement. Second, whether the little stamp test is 'passed' or not, doesn't mean a damn thing because someone who has ED might be able to get erections, but they aren't sustainable. Getting an erection in your sleep doesn't do one damn thing for your sex life. ED can be due to medications, due to illness, due to injury etc. and Viagra ::or something like it:: is their only viable option, broken stamps or not.

Let's dispel some more of your medical myth-conceptions.

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If the problem is caused by poor circulation, the erection may be small or nonexistent. If that is the case then Viagra would be the proper medication. Understand that only about 20% of sexual dysfunction falls in this category.


This statement implies that there are other causes of ED rather than circulation. ED is an 'effect' of poor circulation. Poor circulation is a 'symptom,' not a cause. The 'cause' of the poor circulation is the variable, not the effect which poor circulation has on the human body. It's a simple matter of hydraulics.  If the blood flow is restricted, by whatever the cause, the effect can be ED. If only 20% of ED is caused by poor circulation, what's the other 80% caused by? Medications which effect circulation? Illness which effects circulation? Emotional distress which effects circulation? Seeing a pattern here? Wanna rethink your statement now?

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery-Hypnotic Viagra - 4/4/2006 12:11:44 PM   
OneX2


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Status: offline 		No actually I stand by my statement. If there are other problems that is for the MD. I would hope that you would be seeing a MD and if you weren't than it would be recommended. I would say it is as much of a medical opinion that if you can make it up a flight of stairs it's ok to engage in sex, but don't forget to check with your Doc.

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/4/2006 1:06:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hmmm. I'm personally a bit skeptical about Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP) myself. I cite the following in support of my skepticism. http://www.quackwatch.org/search/webglimpse?ID=1&query=nlp

That said, there is dispute on the merits of the principles of NLP, as articulated here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/4/2006 1:45:12 PM   
OneX2


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Status: offline 		For some time Hypnosis was thought of as magic and a very fraudulent. It has since proved to be wrong. I will agree there are many people out there who have learned NLP that should not be practicing it. The article is a very well done critics view. ArtCatDom was nice enough to copy paste it in the forum.
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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/4/2006 1:49:23 PM   
wytchywoman


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ORIGINAL: ExistentialSteel

MsIncognito makes some good points. He is no different than the 75% of the D/s couples who want a second slave. He did stick around to answer our posts, unlike most of the BS ones who post and run. Plus, the stamp test is a very real, mainstream medical, technique used often. He is right about it being a screening means.


It would be one thing entirely to me if he had said "I'm looking to establish a polyamourous household where I am the master." Instead, by putting in his profile that he seeks to create a "race of peasants that he rules over", he simply sounds like a desparate wank off.

There is indeed a snap guage used to measure ED, but believe me...in the medical profession it isn't done with licking a few postage stamps and wrapping them around a penis. Most pre-pubescent males could break a few postage stamps. The real test the medical profession uses involves wrapping three plastic bands of various strengths around the penis. Erectile function is then based on which of the bands breaks.

Then there is the strain gauge which consists placing elastic bands at the base and tip of the penis. These bands stretch during erection and measure changes in circumference.

And I'd be willing to bet that the OP cannot come up with a single medical site where they will support his claim that in cases of correctly diagnosed ED, that a penis can be hypnotized into a "marathon hard-on session.".

(Edit to say pre-pubescent males)



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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/4/2006 1:57:39 PM   
ExistentialSteel


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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/4/2006 1:59:14 PM   
OneX2


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Status: offline 		Actually that was not the point of the post, not the question. The beginning of the post was this

“I have been recently asked if Hypnosis can make a hard on ready for a marathon. The simple answer is yes. Probably… I am not saying give up your Viagra. Nor, am I attempting to say go for it, but not everyone who takes Viagra actually needs it.”

The person asking the question uses Viagra to get himself to perform marathon sex sessions. You went off on trying to poke holes and look for everything that you can argue with. Chill out, no one is taking anything away from you. No one is judging you. I said yes to this guy’s question, and shared something that is a shoddy substitute for medical lab equipment, but could make some one who has somatic symptoms feel much better. What ever the cause as long as they sought out a MD to talk with it is a goodness. I would much rather have them use what is between their ears to enhance a good time than a pill.
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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/4/2006 2:03:21 PM   
OneX2


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Status: offline 		ExistentialSteel YOU ARE THE BOMB! LOL
Lets see if any one goes to that site and actually sees what I said is for real, than can admit that maybe they carried this looking for things that are might be wrong to far.
Joseph

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/4/2006 2:27:23 PM   
wytchywoman


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ORIGINAL: ExistentialSteel

http://www.webmd.com/content/article/14/1685_50264.htm?lastselectedguid={5FE84E90-BC77-4056-A91C-9531713CA348}


I usually trust webmd for very simple solutions to very easily diagnosed medical conditions. Perhaps the author of that particular article might want to correspond with other urologists before he places his "stamp of approval" -cough- on that as a reliable method, though.

I've frequently found that U.S. postage stamps don't even stick to the correspondence I mail out, much less stick to the a penis of a man who tosses and turns while changing sleeping positions several times a night.

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/4/2006 2:41:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ExistentialSteel

http://www.webmd.com/content/article/14/1685_50264.htm?lastselectedguid={5FE84E90-BC77-4056-A91C-9531713CA348}


"Before the advent of the newer techniques using the rigiscan, physicians used the postage stamp test. Basically, a series of stamps was placed around the base of the penis. If the patient awoke the next morning with the stamps unbroken, this indicated an organic problem. However, if the stamps were broken, this was felt to be a psychological problem. Following the postage stamp test was the development of the snap gauge, a Velcro band placed around the base of the penis that had three colored plastic film elements. Each film ruptured at a specific known force. It took 10 ounces of radial force to rupture the blue tab, 15 ounces to rupture the red tab, and 20 ounces to rupture the clear tab. These snap gauge results were reasonable. However, there was no way to measure rigidity. When the criteria for the snap gauge was carefully examined, it was found that half the men who broke two to three films actually had no rigidity by visual inspection. Because of this, it has lost some favor and it has been mostly supplanted by the rigiscan."

http://www.webmd.com/content/article/4/1680_50142.htm


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The Left Hand of Slavery-Beginning Slavery - 4/4/2006 4:55:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have just been asked “What can I do to be a better slave and to find a experienced Master. And is there a safe way to experience being bound and belonging to another through hypnosis?”

I think the very first thing you need to do is write out or clearly state what it is that slavery means to you. What does it mean to have a connection and a be in another’s service? If you have little to no experience I would suggest you talk to many of the slaves and subs here . Though slavery means something different to every one of them, each person has common threads of experience.

Look into yourself and see what kinds of experiences you hunger for, and play them over in your mind. See yourself in the scene, and get a feel at what is important to you. Yes, there are many ways to guide you through experiences in trance, but I suggest you really get a feel for what is out there, and what gets you hot and what you can barely tolerate. Make sure you really take the time to examine and experience what is in you and what you believe. It can make all the difference in an experience. I have my slaves keep a journal so they can see how far they have come, and so they can share their falls and triumphs.

On the Left Hand Path your beliefs are never neutral. They move you forward, pull you back, or leave you stuck, The best thing is you get to choose what it is you believe. Thank you for allowing me to post your question.

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/4/2006 5:23:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I totally agree! Seems like they have a chip on their shoulder.

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/4/2006 5:45:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Jasmyn wonders how she can get hold of said velcro bands ;) am sure I could find a non ED use for them ...love the stamp idea for its simplicity, but like you pointed out Bita a roll in the sheets could break them .. but very yum yum as a humiliation tool... sooo off topic I know ...as you all were :-)

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/4/2006 6:14:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jasmyn

Jasmyn wonders how she can get hold of said velcro bands ;) am sure I could find a non ED use for them ...love the stamp idea for its simplicity, but like you pointed out Bita a roll in the sheets could break them .. but very yum yum as a humiliation tool... sooo off topic I know ...as you all were :-)


Far be it from a "peasant" to do your work for you, but if you want to find these do a "google" search on medical supplies and include ED in your search.

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/4/2006 6:30:33 PM   
OneX2


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Status: offline 		What would you do for a Klondike bar? (I couldnt resist)
Anybody...
 
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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/4/2006 6:51:33 PM   
wytchywoman


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ORIGINAL: OneX2

What would you do for a Klondike bar? (I couldnt resist)
Anybody...
 
Joseph


Easy come, easy go. Now you want to joke? You've upset a lot of people now you want to know who will lick your Klondike bar? Oy. Let me tell you, not me.

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