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OneX2 -> RE: The Left Hand of Slvery (4/4/2006 7:00:08 PM)

You are taking this to serious. This is an abstract chat. This is about sharing. I really do want to hear what you have to say. No good can come out of everyone looking for the one thing that is wrong. I am not judging you. I look forward to chatting. I didn't upset anyone. They did fine on their own. Leave it all behind, and chalk it up as a time some one else shared what I said was the truth. Ideas can take care of themselves. Lets enjoy talking and improve on the ideas we have.

Actually I would run a mile right now for a Klondike bar! Craving sweats!

Joseph
 
 




BitaTruble -> RE: The Left Hand of Slvery-Hypnotic Viagra (4/4/2006 7:14:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OneX2

No actually I stand by my statement.

If the problem is caused by poor circulation, the erection may be small or nonexistent. If that is the case then Viagra would be the proper medication. Understand that only about 20% of sexual dysfunction falls in this category.


Please provide the link to the science which supports your statement. As I said, ED is an effect, poor circulation is a 'symptom'... the 'causes' for poor circulation are varied. Refute it with your link and prove me wrong. I will completely admit my error and apologize.

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If there are other problems that is for the MD. I would hope that you would be seeing a MD and if you weren't than it would be recommended.


Surprisingly enough, I don't happen to have ED. Perhaps because I'm a woman.

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I would say it is as much of a medical opinion that if you can make it up a flight of stairs it's ok to engage in sex, but don't forget to check with your Doc.


Apples and oranges. Telling someone who passes the snap test they don't need Viagra is not the same as the statement you make above.  I can see you're not going to address the words you wrote. I'm not surprised because there is no defence to the statement you made except to admit you made an error.

It's ok for Doms to say "I fucked up." Believe it or not, I think Doms are human, too. I don't want to be misquoted here though. I'm not saying you're a Dom, just that you fucked up.

Celeste




OneX2 -> RE: The Left Hand of Slvery-Hypnotic Viagra (4/4/2006 7:22:46 PM)

Just look back on page 6. It is near the bottom. Many people talked about. It is not meant to refute anything only to show that it some thing that an MD would share with a patient. Thank you for being so upfront and honest. What you want me to say you are wrong is correct. We are talking about different things here. In no way is it my intention to make this a medical dialogue. I look forward to hearing what you have to say on some of the other topics I have raised.

Joseph




BitaTruble -> RE: The Left Hand of Slvery (4/4/2006 7:32:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OneX2

ExistentialSteel YOU ARE THE BOMB! LOL
Lets see if any one goes to that site and actually sees what I said is for real, than can admit that maybe they carried this looking for things that are might be wrong to far.
Joseph


::bursts out laughing:: A six year old op-ed to answer a specific question about NPT and happens to mention the postage stamp test which the medical community has since discarded for better technology and then that better technology lost favor because it failed to measure rigidity. I already posted the response to ES's link. Guess you ignore what doesn't fit into your theories though. The FDA has approved leeches for medical uses too.. maybe you can incorporate those into your hypno sessions. Use a leech and you won't need that dialysis anymore! Whoop!

::rolls eyes::

Celeste




youQadesh -> RE: The Left Hand of Slvery (4/4/2006 7:40:56 PM)

Hi,

I'm new here.  My name is Morgan. I'm going back into the thread, because I have some unique responses to these early posts.


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ORIGINAL: wytchywoman

Maybe I'm missing something that everyone else can see, but frankly, from your posts you don't seem to have any real knowledge of hypnosis at all.

No one with any real credentials in any of the above mentioned fields would attempt to subvert hypnosis as a type of "mind control".


Yeah of course no one with real credentials would do that, but where exactly did he "subvert hypnosis as a type of mind control?"  If you read back you will see the answer to this question is, nowhere.  I read all of his post above about hypnosis.  Some of his main comments include,

"You do not blank people out and than program like you see in the movies. It is just as consensual as anything else here One would hope."

"There is nothing sneaky about what I do. In fact that sub space that many people go into is simply an altered state of consciousness. You can call that hypnosis."

Among all of these responses he politely replies to everyone's comments with encouragement.  No where does he imply that he believe hypnosis is a means to mind control, nor does he use the phrase "mind control."  Though you seem to think he did.  Am I missing something?

Lastly, I must say that Joe is my fiancé so I am obviously biased. So I’ll put it right out there.  I love the guy.  He is the kindest, sweetest guy I have ever, and probably will ever know.  That being said, I don’t make my responses for my arguments based on these biases.  He does not “mind control” me to post here.  I wouldn't want you to go into my profile and dismiss my views because of one factor.   




NeedToUseYou -> RE: The Left Hand of Slvery (4/4/2006 7:46:10 PM)

I'm confused why people are jumping him.  Sure, I don't buy into it. I don't think what he's doing is any worse than what others are into. And if the consensus is that the techniques are bullshit, then who would he harm using bullshit techniques. If they don't work then what's the harm? Also, I'm not seeing why using the stamp test wouldn't be a good preliminary test. It'd cost 6 cents to do. At least you'd know something was happening done below, why that's happening is still a question. No harm in doing it. Really, you'd think he was advocating cutting peoples balls off. 




Jasmyn -> RE: The Left Hand of Slvery (4/4/2006 7:51:46 PM)

Wytchy [:D] thank you ...Jasym goes a googling




ExistentialSteel -> RE: The Left Hand of Slvery (4/4/2006 7:53:05 PM)

LOL...I feel like doing disclaimers here. I don't have ED nor do I advocate any particular test, hypnosis or what the hell ever. I do advocate not cutting off people's balls even though that was debated in another thread. Hey, even if this guy knows nothing about hypnosis, why not let him talk and let's see what he says.




OneX2 -> The Left Hand of Slavery-The Nature of Hypnosis (4/4/2006 7:54:22 PM)

I have just been asked “What is Hypnosis?”

I think many people really have a good idea what it is. It is more or less stereotyped. Let's look at the nature of hypnosis. That I believe will clarify the question more and open the door to more discussion as well as discovering how each and every one of us touch on this every day. 


The mind is a amazingly powerful and influential thing. It creates and connect us to everything around us on the basis of what is perceived and that which is not. Somehow these masses of chaotic impulses and perceptions assemble into something tangible called "reality." Now, in the process of rendering this reality, the mind makes some assumptions: color, shape, movement, all the different properties of an object and assembles it for you to see, touch, smell, hear, etc. Your mind is always process these sub modalities.

Now we get into hypnosis. Let's make a dogmatically presumptive hypothesis that all conceptions of reality are gained by empirical objects as they are originally and by nature. (This has been gone over in many major philosophical works and should not need rehashing here.)

Hypnosis attempts to change your conception of reality on a subconscious level by learning externally and internally the way your mind perceives a certain thing. In effect, this opens a gateway to the nature your brain, your reality, -- anything you choose. You won’t get answers to every question, but the questions we ask certainly change what answers we get. It certainly changes the actions we will take. Your physiology, political views, dietary habits, relations, emotions, and anything else, are created directly and indirectly from external/internal objects, responses, thoughts, etc. You, as you know yourself in a physical sense, are an external object. We are tangible representations of the intangible. No one knows anything, truly, in it's natural, pure sense.

Most people think Hitler was a bad person. What do you feel when you see Hitler speak? Is it indignation, fear, anger? Nature doesn't intend for the voice and appearance of Hitler to be felt in this way. It is not his voice or opinion that angers you, but the conceptions you have formed about him in your mind. Someone convinced you, most likely when you took history class, that Hitler was an evil person.

What if someone could do the same with, say, transgendered people. If someone, a hypnotist, could through rigorous conditioning make a male perception into a female one. Take the anger you may feel in a situation, and turn that into a sensation. Turn the perception, the sensation, of one's chest into the sight of breasts. Turn the mirror image of a male body into a female one. In the same way, if a man were color blind and believed that he saw a red object, but that object was not red, his mind would be telling him, albeit incorrectly, that he is seeing a red object. On the other hand, a man who completely, unaware of the nature of things, believed that he was a really a female, would undoubtedly perceive himself fully as a female. I think this also explains the "woman stuck in a man's body" and vice versa syndromes.

The most powerful mind altering substance on the planet is human experience. Synthesized directly in the brain. If hypnosis hasn't worked for you, it's not because hypnosis is flawed, but because you haven't done it correctly.

Joseph




wytchywoman -> RE: The Left Hand of Slvery (4/4/2006 8:04:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ExistentialSteel

LOL...I feel like doing disclaimers here. I don't have ED nor do I advocate any particular test, hypnosis or what the hell ever. I do advocate not cutting off people's balls even though that was debated in another thread. Hey, even if this guy knows nothing about hypnosis, why not let him talk and let's see what he says.


Well..there is harm in talking about a subject you know nothing about. Maybe not physical harm, but the potential for psychological harm, Ma'am.




wytchywoman -> RE: The Left Hand of Slvery (4/4/2006 8:09:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ExistentialSteel

LOL...I feel like doing disclaimers here. I don't have ED nor do I advocate any particular test, hypnosis or what the hell ever. I do advocate not cutting off people's balls even though that was debated in another thread. Hey, even if this guy knows nothing about hypnosis, why not let him talk and let's see what he says.


Oops...pardon me, sir. Damn I have to read more closely despite the fact that this dude is trying to create a race of peasants that are totally under his control. LMAO.

Like I said earlier...if only he had posted that he wanted a polyamorous household that he would be master over, I woulndn't have minded at all. I just got ticked when he posted in his profile that he wanted to create a "race of peasants that he could rule over"

That is offensive to almost anyone I would think Most of us can accept polyamory without a "race of peasants" being paramount in some dominant's mind.




youQadesh -> RE: The Left Hand of Slvery (4/4/2006 8:10:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: wytchywoman


Thank you! You are the first one who actually saw what I did and it gives me major creeps. So far, everyone else has played up to this dude. He scares me. Honestly he does...read back and see how eager he is to ask other subs/slaves for them to "share with him". He sounds like someone who is just too eager to try to get into someone's  mind one way or another.

And that "create a race of peasants" thing just makes me want to run!



Hypnosis might help you with that paranoia problem. [;)][:D]

Honestly, what are you afraid of?  There are people here who want to keep slaves in cages as pets, some who wish to inflict extreme pain, and others who enjoy poking needles in people’s skin, and there are others who want to do any number of deviant actions.  I mean in all seriousness, even if he isn't being tongue and cheek about saying he wants a village of peasants, what the hell would be the problem with it?

The only thing I can think of is that maybe you envision he will be in command of a group of somnambulist peasants mindlessly attending to his every whim, but that couldn't ever happen as I'm sure you know.  If he ever did have a village of peasants they would have to be willing, in which case you should say to each his own.






wytchywoman -> RE: The Left Hand of Slvery (4/4/2006 8:14:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: youQadesh

Hi,

I'm new here.  My name is Morgan. I'm going back into the thread, because I have some unique responses to these early posts.


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ORIGINAL: wytchywoman

Maybe I'm missing something that everyone else can see, but frankly, from your posts you don't seem to have any real knowledge of hypnosis at all.

No one with any real credentials in any of the above mentioned fields would attempt to subvert hypnosis as a type of "mind control".


Yeah of course no one with real credentials would do that, but where exactly did he "subvert hypnosis as a type of mind control?"  If you read back you will see the answer to this question is, nowhere.  I read all of his post above about hypnosis.  Some of his main comments include,

"You do not blank people out and than program like you see in the movies. It is just as consensual as anything else here One would hope."

"There is nothing sneaky about what I do. In fact that sub space that many people go into is simply an altered state of consciousness. You can call that hypnosis."

Among all of these responses he politely replies to everyone's comments with encouragement.  No where does he imply that he believe hypnosis is a means to mind control, nor does he use the phrase "mind control."  Though you seem to think he did.  Am I missing something?

Lastly, I must say that Joe is my fiancé so I am obviously biased. So I’ll put it right out there.  I love the guy.  He is the kindest, sweetest guy I have ever, and probably will ever know.  That being said, I don’t make my responses for my arguments based on these biases.  He does not “mind control” me to post here.  I wouldn't want you to go into my profile and dismiss my views because of one factor.   


Of course! You're the one he sent dumpster diving for cock last week! Bobbing your head up and down under the poker table without condoms according to good ole Joe. Ever wonder whether he gives a shit about what kind of diseases he might be setting you up for?





BitaTruble -> RE: The Left Hand of Slvery (4/4/2006 8:19:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou

I'm confused why people are jumping him.  Sure, I don't buy into it. I don't think what he's doing is any worse than what others are into. And if the consensus is that the techniques are bullshit, then who would he harm using bullshit techniques. If they don't work then what's the harm? Also, I'm not seeing why using the stamp test wouldn't be a good preliminary test. It'd cost 6 cents to do. At least you'd know something was happening done below, why that's happening is still a question. No harm in doing it. Really, you'd think he was advocating cutting peoples balls off. 


I can only tell you why I jumped his case and that's because he gave out medical advice on a public forum. Despite his efforts to backtrack, telling people they don't need a prescribed drug if they pass a stamp test is false information. In addition, he gave a further statement that was inaccurate and when it was pointed out to him, he stood by the statement. Snake charmers don't sit well with me. And, the point is, the stamp test will NOT tell you if there is something going on 'below'. That's one of the reasons the medical community stopped using it. I would have no problem with him advocating ANYTHING as long as he's honest with it and he doesn't make it appear as though he speaks from an authority he doesn't have. I have issues with people who makes statements of opinion as if they are facts. I think you've probably noticed that. ::chuckles:: But I really have issues with people who make FALSE statements as if they are medical truths.

Anyway.. that's why I've posted.. can't speak for others.

Celeste




wytchywoman -> RE: The Left Hand of Slvery (4/4/2006 8:28:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou

I'm confused why people are jumping him.  Sure, I don't buy into it. I don't think what he's doing is any worse than what others are into. And if the consensus is that the techniques are bullshit, then who would he harm using bullshit techniques. If they don't work then what's the harm? Also, I'm not seeing why using the stamp test wouldn't be a good preliminary test. It'd cost 6 cents to do. At least you'd know something was happening done below, why that's happening is still a question. No harm in doing it. Really, you'd think he was advocating cutting peoples balls off. 


I can only tell you why I jumped his case and that's because he gave out medical advice on a public forum. Despite his efforts to backtrack, telling people they don't need a prescribed drug if they pass a stamp test is false information. In addition, he gave a further statement that was inaccurate and when it was pointed out to him, he stood by the statement. Snake charmers don't sit well with me. And, the point is, the stamp test will NOT tell you if there is something going on 'below'. That's one of the reasons the medical community stopped using it. I would have no problem with him advocating ANYTHING as long as he's honest with it and he doesn't make it appear as though he speaks from an authority he doesn't have. I have issues with people who makes statements of opinion as if they are facts. I think you've probably noticed that. ::chuckles:: But I really have issues with people who make FALSE statements as if they are medical truths.

Anyway.. that's why I've posted.. can't speak for others.

Celeste


Exactly my own point of view, Celeste. I lived witn a real licensed psychologist and he was also a register hynotherapist...never once did he try to use his so called "powers" to attempt to brainwash me or anyone else.

That relationship, in the long run, just wasn't suited to either of us, but it had nothing to do with whether I thought he was trustworthy. I wanted a bit more than he did. And that is fine, too. But I hate to see someone like Joe coming on this site trying to sell snake oil as some of you have put it.




ExistentialSteel -> RE: The Left Hand of Slvery (4/4/2006 8:33:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: wytchywoman

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ORIGINAL: ExistentialSteel

LOL...I feel like doing disclaimers here. I don't have ED nor do I advocate any particular test, hypnosis or what the hell ever. I do advocate not cutting off people's balls even though that was debated in another thread. Hey, even if this guy knows nothing about hypnosis, why not let him talk and let's see what he says.


Oops...pardon me, sir. Damn I have to read more closely despite the fact that this dude is trying to create a race of peasants that are totally under his control. LMAO.

Like I said earlier...if only he had posted that he wanted a polyamorous household that he would be master over, I woulndn't have minded at all. I just got ticked when he posted in his profile that he wanted to create a "race of peasants that he could rule over"

That is offensive to almost anyone I would think Most of us can accept polyamory without a "race of peasants" being paramount in some dominant's mind.



Ahh, Wytchy, don't let all this bother you. I mean half the posts here are crazy as hell, but we all just laugh at them. I saw the Attack of the Zombies, too.




youQadesh -> RE: The Left Hand of Slvery (4/4/2006 8:41:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: wytchywoman

Of course! You're the one he sent dumpster diving for cock last week! Bobbing your head up and down under the poker table without condoms according to good ole Joe. Ever wonder whether he gives a shit about what kind of diseases he might be setting you up for?



[&:][&:][&:]

Whoa!  How out in left field can you get!?  Were you there at the poker table because I certainly wasn't!  So next time you thoughtlessly make such an offensive assumption about me maybe you should think twice. 

Honestly!  You make Joe's flippant comment in his profile out to be an extremely frightening and offensive comment, yet you are perfectly comfortable making personal insults, and to top it all off you don't even afford me the respect of a true response to the substance of my main point.[:-]

...way to make me feel welcome here on my first day. [8|]




wytchywoman -> RE: The Left Hand of Slvery (4/4/2006 9:03:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ExistentialSteel

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ORIGINAL: wytchywoman

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ORIGINAL: ExistentialSteel

LOL...I feel like doing disclaimers here. I don't have ED nor do I advocate any particular test, hypnosis or what the hell ever. I do advocate not cutting off people's balls even though that was debated in another thread. Hey, even if this guy knows nothing about hypnosis, why not let him talk and let's see what he says.


Oops...pardon me, sir. Damn I have to read more closely despite the fact that this dude is trying to create a race of peasants that are totally under his control. LMAO.

Like I said earlier...if only he had posted that he wanted a polyamorous household that he would be master over, I woulndn't have minded at all. I just got ticked when he posted in his profile that he wanted to create a "race of peasants that he could rule over"

That is offensive to almost anyone I would think Most of us can accept polyamory without a "race of peasants" being paramount in some dominant's mind.



Ahh, Wytchy, don't let all this bother you. I mean half the posts here are crazy as hell, but we all just laugh at them. I saw the Attack of the Zombies, too.


LMAO. Fair enough! Somehow, I still think I should melt some crayons on some male sub. Just joking. I love to chat with nearly anyone. But only people who make some kind of sense. I haven't seen the OP of this topic make any kind of sense at all since the day he started this thread. Hell, he didn't even make since the first day he started this thread...but then as most people will tell you, I'm just someone to ignore here. -wink-




wytchywoman -> RE: The Left Hand of Slvery (4/4/2006 9:07:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: youQadesh

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ORIGINAL: wytchywoman

Of course! You're the one he sent dumpster diving for cock last week! Bobbing your head up and down under the poker table without condoms according to good ole Joe. Ever wonder whether he gives a shit about what kind of diseases he might be setting you up for?



[&:][&:][&:]

Whoa!  How out in left field can you get!?  Were you there at the poker table because I certainly wasn't!  So next time you thoughtlessly make such an offensive assumption about me maybe you should think twice. 

Honestly!  You make Joe's flippant comment in his profile out to be an extremely frightening and offensive comment, yet you are perfectly comfortable making personal insults, and to top it all off you don't even afford me the respect of a true response to the substance of my main point.[:-]

...way to make me feel welcome here on my first day. [8|]



Your first day? Okay...then who are you? Are you, or are you not the woman in the profile pic with good ole Joe? You claim to be his fiancee and he claims he only owns one slave as of now. He told the rest of us last week that he was taking his only slave "dumpster diving" under a poker table last week.

If you are NOT the woman in Joe's pic but claim to be his fiancee, then who are you? You don't have to answer me, of course, but if you are going to get on this forum and defend him in any way by claiming to be his fiancee, you shouldn't mind backing that up.




youQadesh -> Balancing the playing field (4/4/2006 9:22:39 PM)

 
There is no debating that NLP is controversial, but that obviously doesn't deter most of us here from doing anything.  Furthermore, besides being a fun way to enhance your sex life (just like all those other unscientific methods we use in this lifestyle), NLP actually has some validity.  Who would have thought?! 

It’s not that hard to find peer reviewed articles promoting NLP.  All it took was going on my University database and looking up NLP.  I got almost 300 articles.  Some of the journals which included NLP techniques in there articles were The Training and Development Journal, European Journal of Clinical Hypnosis, Health Care Counseling and Psychotherapy Journal, Primary Care Mental Health, and the list literally goes on and on.  I searched through 100 of them so far and every single one deals with the true applicability of NLP.

Now, I can't give you links to the website because you don't have an account with my University’s database, but I can give you the citations, and if you so desire then you can go look up the sources yourself.  I'm going to do that later though because it is a long a tedious process compiling citations, especially when I still have a point to make.

So do medical, psychiatric, educational, and other peer reviewed scholarly journals support Scientology.  HELL NO!  That is because there doesn't seem to be a comparison between scientology and the practical uses of NLP. Scientology is a group of people who live a dream world where god can cure little kids of a brain tumors, NLP is a system to aid people in achieving their personal goals within the frameworks of reality.  The only plausible connection to me would be if leaders in scientology used NLP on their followers to persuade them to be more devoted scientologists, and if this is the connection than it validates NLP effectiveness in changing thoughts and behavior automatically.

Now, everyone just calm down! NLP is not primarily used to manipulate people towards being in a cult.  So get that out of your head!  It is used to help children learn better in schools.  It is wildly used in business circles to increase productivity.  NLP techniques can be found at the basis of a number of self help books, as a technique in psychiatry, a way to focus goals, and so much more.  A powerful technique is only as good as the people using it.

Later when I feel like going through the tedious process of making citations I will provide you all with the information.




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