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RE: The Left Hand of Slavery-Nlp revisited - 4/5/2006 2:28:30 AM

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Ugh. I can hardly believe swallow doublespeak like this. Unfortunately, I'm very aware of how gullible the human race generally is.

OK, does anyone besides me have their BS meter scream like a tortured monkey when reading this? Anyone?

*meow*

Yes. Me. My BS meter went into the red zone the first day he started this thread.

LOL. Apparently it's finely tuned. ;)

*meow*

My BS meter always goes into the "red zone" whenever people like Joey and his "fiancee" post BS on any forum.

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RE: The Left Hand of Slavery-Nlp revisited - 4/5/2006 2:40:46 AM

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This is sad...Joey said he was going to get his own "forum" here and he did,

Edited because my fingers get ahead of my brain when someone just makes me furious. And that potentially diseased person who claims to be Joey's fiancee, again sickens me.

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/5/2006 5:59:21 AM

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It would be one thing entirely to me if he had said "I'm looking to establish a polyamourous household where I am the master." Instead, by putting in his profile that he seeks to create a "race of peasants that he rules over", he simply sounds like a desparate wank off.

Why, exactly, would that be different? Because you're ok with BDSM and therefore think that someone who calls themselves "Master" and wants a polyamorous "household" is somehow NOT a desperate wank off? Believe me, there are more than a bushel full of those here LOL

If a vanilla person were to come here and read about the people who are "looking to establish a polyamourous household where I am the master" they'd think these people were deperate wank offs too. I find it absolutely fascinating (and more than a tad amusing) that you seem unable to see the parallels.

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/5/2006 6:35:40 AM

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Thanks for supporting another voice here. I look forward to sharing your ideas about some of my other posts.

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/5/2006 6:43:00 AM

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You are actually wrong about the girl. There is no need to have to resort to personal attacks to any one. I believe my ideas can coexist with any of yours. Personal attacks are against what these forums are for, and against this culture that was and is judged so harshly. It looks bad on yourself and every one else.

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/5/2006 6:57:09 AM

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1) why not answer the questions posed to you on this thread?

Many of the questions here are meant more to bully. If some one wants to share information, like have just done I enjoy that. I still go through and answer the questions that are not posed with disrespect. I thank you for taking the time to ask a question with out a personal attack on any one else.

2) who and where are you being asked the questions that seem to flow correctly with the direction which you wish this thread to go?

I have gotten asked many of these questions by email, and a little java window. I will ask who I am chatting with or responding with if I may post what we talked of. At least the question, and I try to remove the personal details and post it.

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/5/2006 7:10:05 AM

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Actually it was another girl. How would you feel if you were being bullied this way? You say I have problems but what you show here speaks loudly enough. It's easy and comfortable to judge, but if you would actually talk in a way that invites a response more people would talk here. You are pushing people away. If you have something positive to share of yourself than show it, communicate it.

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/5/2006 7:21:30 AM

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Actually I do check your sites. I go to them and some are very good. I agree with you that some people who do NLP should not be practicing it. You are familiar with the lawsuit Bandler filed years ago that took NLP out of his hands? That’s when people who simply read his book started opening up shop. I actually support you going on about it because it will make any one think about what they have learned and are learning. The delivery could be a bit smoother, but it works.
I did not come here to do lit searches. The ideas can take care of themselves, and through the exchange maybe it will help improve them.

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery-Hypnotic Viagra - 4/5/2006 7:26:43 AM

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According to the Professor I work with they are mistaken. As a matter of fact you can find that in books on counseling now. I am more interested in how you use what you know. How do you put all of your training into practice? It seems like you may have a good linguistic back ground. Share.

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/5/2006 7:33:30 AM

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My reasons for being here are not to defend myself. They are to find new ideas and like minded people. You are welcome to copy paste more, you can share of yourself which is often harder, or you can do what ever it is you want to do. It doesn't really matter. I try an answer those people here who are respectful and seem like they are curious and want to exchange ideas. If people don't answer you it is because you don't make them want to. It doesn't mean you are right or wrong. It simply means you get off bullying. It is a shame because you seem well educated at times, and it may affect a few people if you were to pay attention to your use of language.

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/5/2006 7:43:38 AM

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Because NLP is utterly unsupported (and in fact contradicted) by peer-review studies. On the contrary, it is contradicted by those studies.

At one time so was hypnosis.

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It's harmful and predatory. Harmful because it inhibits and discourages people from seeking treatment they may need for mental health issues. Predatory because it is an industry geared towards ensuring people pay for more assistance and training constantly.

I don't know of any NLP community that would say you don't need a doctor ,come here. I think that is more a individual problem. Even counselors need updated credits every year.

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It is right in the same ballpark as Scientology in that regard.
Additionally, he presents it as a valid and scientifically supported discipline, which is utter horseshit.

Still don't have a good enough frame to see if what you say here is correct. I do see how you can say they are similar by the exercises. You never did say really what has gotten you so heated about them? Is it some thing you saw? Read?

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/5/2006 7:54:20 AM

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It is strange to me that when they see some one is different, the first response is to attack. Look for some thing wrong. Different doesn’t mean bad, and if I have said anything that is correct tell me. Let's talk about it. Personal attacks are something I did as a kid. As adults you would have thought the world view would have broadened. I certainly realize by saying this, you by no means say what I am saying is truth. I thank you and wouldn't ask you to say it. What matters to me is you stood up for another voice. That takes courage when many of your peers here are so dissatisfied. At some point maybe they will take a step back and than begin to share.

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/5/2006 9:06:57 AM

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If he ever did have a village of peasants they would have to be willing, in which case you should say to each his own.

Which makes them sound an awful lot like....wait for it....SLAVES. I hate to have to state the obvious, and in all caps, but I just couldn't help myself.

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/5/2006 9:27:21 AM

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Well I'm afraid to say I sit on the fence a bit, Im pretty ampi-dextrous *grin* I write mainly with my right hand but can use my left hand, and use my left hand a lot when doing general stuff. Welcome to the boards btw

Thanks for the nice welcome. I do most stuff with my right hand accept writing. We lefties have to learn to live in a right handed world ::sigh:: No but for real, ampi-dextrous people rock my world.

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/5/2006 9:30:38 AM

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I'm a lefty and all about lefty pride. I mouse with my left hand (with the buttons switched to confuse the righties that try to hi-jack my pc) and I wear my watch on my right hand ..... oh, and all my tattoos are on the left side ....

Any left-handed floggers here? I can use my right hand for everything except writing so I anticipate that when I domme someone I will simply switch hands when my arm gets tired ...

HAHA! I got a laugh from you tryign to confuse the right handed people. I can just picture someone being like "what the fuck?!" trying to click on something. lol

I have used a crop befor but I used my right hand. Right hands are better for some things I guess...at least with me anyway.

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/5/2006 9:31:11 AM

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i have just spent the better part of an hour reading through every post here. i can only compare it to that fascination one has with being unable to look away from the scene of a car wreck.
My brief synopsis is Joe wants to wank and came upon NLP as a possible avenue to accomplish this goal. In the beginning posts he made several attempts to draw out steamin hot hot slave replies about wet and dripping vaginas all accomplished via his powerful NLP skills. Sure, he's yet another wanker posting on a message board-and if that is where it stopped, all would be fine. Some of us, like wytchywoman, saw early on the potential danger he could be to that mass of naive, gullible, wanton submissives in sub frenzy who could easily be persuaded that serf life is doable. i believe wytchywoman simply rang the gong early on that a potential predator is on the loose. Many of us have seen women damaged by predators who are only looking for the easiest path to some cheap kinky sex....and nothing wrong with cheap kinky sex if it's consensual and safe, imho-However, bragging about using any kind of mind conditioning to wrest unsafe behaviors out of submissives, such as ordering them to have unprotected group sex of any kind, is simply dangerous. We may pooh-pooh Joe and assume that all fellow submissives simply cannot take him seriously-this might be irresponsible of us....Joe's posts range from rambling grammatical nightmares without two cogent thoughts strung together, interspersed with obvious copy & pastes (they would be the posts that reflect a base knowledge of grammar), back to attempts to get more hot hot steamin sex stories going, and finally, in one stunningly off-track query asking what we would do for a klondike bar. ArtCatDom also stripped him early on of any credentials whatsoever, and Celeste quite rationally pointed out the huge holes in any logic Joe presumed to have had with any thread on ED and Viagra. i applaud all of you as a community and thank you for taking a stand against Joe and the potential danger he represents to even that one submissive somewhere reading what he has to say and taking him seriously. There's always a danger when one stands for nothing, one might fall for anything. That aside.....Joe....i think your hypnosis worked on me...i am getting veryyyyy sleepy...verry sleepy....oh wait....that's simply incredulous boredom at the vaccuos statements you make.

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/5/2006 9:46:14 AM

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Which makes them sound an awful lot like....wait for it....SLAVES. I hate to have to state the obvious, and in all caps, but I just couldn't help myself.

Exactly! Its just an argument on which term to use for the same thing.

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/5/2006 10:05:44 AM

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Any left-handed floggers here? I can use my right hand for everything except writing so I anticipate that when I domme someone I will simply switch hands when my arm gets tired

Or you could use a flogger in each hand. I have to say it's hard to find a Top who is able to flog equally well with either hand. Therefore it's also hard to find one who is able to double flog well but when one is found it really is a joy. Those will be lucky subs for sure

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/5/2006 10:09:00 AM

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I want to thank you for your opinions, and we will have a different opinion. I welcome the chance to get to know about you. If you don't agree say so. there are plenty of people I can say they are doing something I don't like. That doesn't make it wrong. You are a slave, with particular fetish. I have one as well. What we have is a difference. I will enjoy hearing what you think of the many other posts.

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RE: The Left Hand of Slvery - 4/5/2006 10:14:13 AM

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Because NLP is utterly unsupported (and in fact contradicted) by peer-review studies. On the contrary, it is contradicted by those studies. It's harmful and predatory. Harmful because it inhibits and discourages people from seeking treatment they may need for mental health issues. Predatory because it is an industry geared towards ensuring people pay for more assitance and training constantly. It is right in the same ballpark as Scientology in that regard.

Additionally, he presents it as a valid and scientifically supported discipline, which is utter horseshit.

*meow*

Maybe I'm the odd one out, but I feel that most people are able to smell horseshit when it's in the vacinity. While the stench may be overwhelming, I'm not too worried about poor, unsuspecting subbies being taken advantage of by Joe. I give the majority of people way more credit for intelligence than that. Plus, I'm not really into dressing up my own intolerance as concern for the poor, wee little subbies out there. If I just can't accept something I'll say so and own that opinion/feeling/intolerance but the way some claim "If only one subbie is saved it's all worth it!!" is simply intolerance masquerading as concern for "the community."

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