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With a Saturday night signing, and the cooperation of a very quiet media:

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Obama signs one-year extension of Patriot Act

(AP) – 5 hours ago

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama has signed a one-year extension of several provisions in the nation's main counterterrorism law, the Patriot Act.Provisions in the measure would have expired on Sunday without Obama's signature Saturday.

The act, which was adopted in the weeks after the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks, expands the government's ability to monitor Americans in the name of national security.Three sections of the Patriot Act that stay in force will:

_Authorize court-approved roving wiretaps that permit surveillance on multiple phones.

_Allow court-approved seizure of records and property in anti-terrorism operations.

_Permit surveillance against a so-called lone wolf, a non-U.S. citizen engaged in
terrorism who may not be part of a recognized terrorist group.

Obama's signature comes after the House voted 315 to 97 Thursday to extend the measure.

Full article here

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My take on it is that this proves that Bush was unjustly demonized for many of his policies.

Does it occur to you that, by saying this (and following the logic back to the nucleus), your premise must begin with the presumption that anything that Obama does is politically the correct decision?

Exactly. So now we can expect Sanity to fully acknowledge that Obama is 100% correct in everything that he has done to this date in time.

How could this be the lone exception to the rule?


Why are conservatives so stupid? As well as socially inept?

Why does everything have to be a mocking insult?

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I think it is more about the platforms that were proclaimed before election, that keep falling by the wayside.

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Provisions which happen to be fully reasonable and absolutly necessary to law enforcement?

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With a Saturday night signing, and the cooperation of a very quiet media:

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Obama signs one-year extension of Patriot Act

(AP) – 5 hours ago

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama has signed a one-year extension of several provisions in the nation's main counterterrorism law, the Patriot Act.Provisions in the measure would have expired on Sunday without Obama's signature Saturday.

The act, which was adopted in the weeks after the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks, expands the government's ability to monitor Americans in the name of national security.Three sections of the Patriot Act that stay in force will:

_Authorize court-approved roving wiretaps that permit surveillance on multiple phones.

_Allow court-approved seizure of records and property in anti-terrorism operations.

_Permit surveillance against a so-called lone wolf, a non-U.S. citizen engaged in
terrorism who may not be part of a recognized terrorist group.

Obama's signature comes after the House voted 315 to 97 Thursday to extend the measure.

Full article here

What the fuck am I the only one here thats taking note of the fact that all he did was extend some provisions of that odious act.Provisions which happen to be fully reasonable and absolutly necessary to law enforcement?

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Because you're a tool and won't notice when he signs other provisions at a later date that are also "reasonable" ? I mean it's getting ridiculous, he's kept the same Iraq policy, he's escalated Afghanistan and yet I don't hear any "Obama is a war criminal" bullshit out of any of you. Y'all are proof that universal suffrage was a colossal nation destroying fuck-up.

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My take on it is that this proves that Bush was unjustly demonized for many of his policies.

Does it occur to you that, by saying this (and following the logic back to the nucleus), your premise must begin with the presumption that anything that Obama does is politically the correct decision?

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Hmmm... Not sure if it is all about him being a socialist or not (I don't think he is). I think it is more about the platforms that were proclaimed before election, that keep falling by the wayside. Perhaps, even that while Bush was lambasted after this one by the left, it goes pretty quiet when Obama does the same thing.

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Hmmm... Not sure if it is all about him being a socialist or not (I don't think he is). I think it is more about the platforms that were proclaimed before election, that keep falling by the wayside. Perhaps, even that while Bush was lambasted after this one by the left, it goes pretty quiet when Obama does the same thing.

Which lends credence to the fact that the Patriot Act wasn't all that bad of an idea, after all.

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Does it occur to you that, by saying this (and following the logic back to the nucleus), your premise must begin with the presumption that anything that Obama does is politically the correct decision?

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But you're admitting that Obama's following in Bush's foot steps is a "sound decision".

Kinda makes the point for us.

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I never have supported all of the measures in the Patriot Act. I believe it is a mistake to have approved it without seriously altering the original act. It has been reinstated for only one year. Hopefully it will be readdressed in the future.

There are many different things that are being dealt with at this given time. Prioritizing these items is an obvious task of the President. Do I feel more comfortable with Obama overseeing the scope of how the Patriot Act will be utilized than the previous administration...Hell yeah!!!

It will come up again in a year and hopefully at that time it will be corrected.

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Does it occur to you that, by saying this (and following the logic back to the nucleus), your premise must begin with the presumption that anything that Obama does is politically the correct decision?

If Obama acts in a manner that proves Bush was right (as in this case) I have no qualms with admitting Obama is doing the right thing - particularly when he is reaffirming something his predecessor took heat for.

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Provisions which happen to be fully reasonable and absolutly necessary to law enforcement?

Are you serious? - tapping phones/confiscating funds etc? Innocent until proven guilty.

It's laughable really - they create the fear and exploit the fear - for their own ends. It's not even subtle and so very easy to accomplish.

For those who think human beings aren't easliy led........you need to look closer....many of us will believe any old shit and Goering overestimated the human capacity for reason........we don't need telling as many times as he supposed for the propaganda to become accepted wisdom.....twice will do the trick....

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another "party apologist"

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I imagine that it is simply the case that there are too many irons in the fire to address them all.

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Provisions which happen to be fully reasonable and absolutly necessary to law enforcement?

Are you serious? - tapping phones/confiscating funds etc? Innocent until proven guilty.

It's laughable really - they create the fear and exploit the fear - for their own ends. It's not even subtle and so very easy to accomplish.

For those who think human beings aren't easliy led........you need to look closer....many of us will believe any old shit and Goering overestimated the human capacity for reason........we don't need telling as many times as he supposed for the propaganda to become accepted wisdom.....twice will do the trick....

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I've said it before, and I'll say it again (and again, and again...) I do not like Bush's policies, whether they're adopted by Bush or Obama.

Why the righties claim that he's a wild-eyed Socialist while he continues Bush's policies... weird country.