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RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? - 2/28/2010 9:30:22 PM   
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RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? - 2/28/2010 9:30:30 PM   
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RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? - 2/28/2010 9:31:05 PM   
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RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? - 2/28/2010 9:32:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Smutmonger

Just another deranged and evil person in cyberland. I gotta do SOMETHING to decompress from doing customer freaking service in a hardware store all day!
Bed time song,and I am outa here!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgbGaYTkkPU

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Aoooakkdjfsls


omg smut,

whoever you are, you gave me a gazm twice today lol.




I had this song on my mind the other day and could not remember who did it, thanks!




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RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? - 2/28/2010 10:46:25 PM   
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To the original poster: Don't give up on the topic. It is an interesting topic. I was not offended, just passionate :-) When it comes to discussions regarding autism or Aspergers syndrome, I tend to eschew some of the social rules that I normally work so hard to uphold. This is partially because if I say or do something socially insensitive while discussing that topic, I can just go, "Uhhh, I did that to prove a point!" "What point is that?" "You shut up now!" lol

Also, I can not believe that I did not remember reading about this earlier, but I have shocking information that will blow the lid off of this whole topic!

Everyone go here: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=1559

It is an article about "Internet Asperger Syndrome". It is based on the theory that people interacting online behave in a way that is similar to the way that aspies do in real life. They theorize that this is because online, they are unable to read social cues, facial expression, intonation, and all the other subtle things that make up non-verbal communication. The inability to interpret non-verbal communication is one of the most prevalent traits among people with Aspergers Syndrome.

One last thing to the original poster. I think that because you were volunteering to work with people who had Aspergers Syndrome badly enough that they actually needed help gave you a somewhat skewed perception of it. Some of the things you mention seem more indicative of low functioning autism, rather than high functioning autism (I have actually heard that the newest DSM is going to be putting Aspergers Syndrome under the umbrella term of High Functioning Autism), but even if the people you worked with were high functioning, they were probably those who were most negatively influenced by the traits of Aspergers Syndrome. It would sort of be similar to if someone worked with combat veterans, and because of their experiences, they decided that being a combat veteran was an illness. Certainly it would seem that way, every combat veteran they meet is damaged and frequently mentally unstable. Many are unable to function. And yes, this is technically because they are combat veterans, but that does not necessarily mean that being a combat veteran is an illness. In much the same way, I do not think that Aspergers Syndrome is an illness, however, it can be a cause of mental illness. One thing that I have always postulated is that if the ratio were reversed, Aspies would grow up to be well-adjusted, fully functional members of society, and neurotypicals would be plagued with anxiety and depression. Though I really have nothing to back this up, other than anecdotal evidence.

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RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? - 2/28/2010 11:07:00 PM   
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One thing that I have always postulated is that if the ratio were reversed, Aspies would grow up to be well-adjusted, fully functional members of society, and neurotypicals would be plagued with anxiety and depression. Though I really have nothing to back this up, other than anecdotal evidence.


There is a tendency amongst all minorities to become insular. There are plenty of neurotypicals in minority groups who experience anxiety and depression because of their minority status.

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RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? - 2/28/2010 11:15:25 PM   
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Exactly. :-) Although a lot of minorities at least know that they are a minority. That is why I sort of compared being a high functioning autistic to being gay in the early half of the 20th century. They sort of know that they are different, and that they have trouble having normal relationships, but they do not really understand the extent of their difference, or that there are other people like them.

So I guess what I am saying is that I think that it is the minority status which impairs us more than the Aspergers Syndrome itself.

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RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? - 2/28/2010 11:21:20 PM   
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Exactly. :-) Although a lot of minorities at least know that they are a minority. That is why I sort of compared being a high functioning autistic to being gay in the early half of the 20th century. They sort of know that they are different, and that they have trouble having normal relationships, but they do not really understand the extent of their difference, or that there are other people like them.

So I guess what I am saying is that I think that it is the minority status which impairs us more than the Aspergers Syndrome itself.


If I may, I think it is the prejudice of the majority that leads to anxiety and depression.

Being a member of a minority in and of itself is no reason to feel either.

Consider what you said "They sort of know that they are different, and that they have trouble having normal relationships, but they do not really understand the extent of their difference, or that there are other people like them."

Is there anyone who doesn't relate to that? We all grew up, we all went through, or continue to go through the experience of self-discovery ... each of us knows we are different ... but how different ... and are there any others like us?

In this we are no different. This is what we share with all humans.

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RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? - 3/1/2010 12:34:32 AM   
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Part of achieving a degree of maturity is accepting that there is a very big world full of people who will disagree with you.



From what I have seen so far this is not a level you have managed to achieve. When you understand and accept that there are people in this world that disagree with you, then you can spout about maturity.

As I have said on a post in your previous incarnation here, you are probably one of the most immature people I have come across here.

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RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? - 3/1/2010 1:40:18 AM   
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tpd I don't think you had any bad intentions by starting this thread, it was just how you worded things that threw me off balance. That happens online very easily and is something that can be recovered. My suggestion (take that for what its worth!) is to pretty much ignore people who refuse to let you move on from unfortunate wording, which is also something that will invariably happen online. A lot.

You seem like a perfectly nice person from what I've seen so far and just about everyone has a rocky OP now n then!


I agree.

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my chair is rickety and evil. your chair is the adventurous, outdoorsy type. i bet it's wearing stetson cologne and wondering how to look more pensive yet manly.


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RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? - 3/1/2010 1:51:56 AM   
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That's a result of isolation due to cyber malsocialization, not any "syndrome."  My suggestion to you is: don't worry too much about the negative.  Lockit's advice to you on this thread is good, but I'm glad you're pressing ahead anyway.  People will flip out at you.  Oh well.  Concentrate on the people who are interacting with you as a human being.






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RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? - 3/1/2010 2:35:20 AM   
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And before we had psychologists and analysts, we just had people, now it seems we have yet more little boxes to define and segregate people into, eventually I suppose each and every one of us will have a definition, our own little box, then what will we do.

Regarding aspergers syndrome, it is my belief it is more common than what people think, just look at all the diagnosed children found in schools and take that number and apply it to the largely undiagnosed adult population. Also you will find those who are undiagnosed in the world of work tend to gravitate towards employment where their natural skills are best employed and in that field of work, they excel.

To some, it is even considered that aspergers is an enhancement.

Anyway, there are lots of notable figures from the past and present who are either known to have it or similar traits to it ;

http://www.asperger-syndrome.me.uk/people.htm


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RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? - 3/1/2010 9:31:00 AM   
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I love this thread!

Although it is a little bit like watching Jerry's kids fight over who gets to be on the next poster. Asperger's may not be the only epidemic around here.

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RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? - 3/1/2010 9:40:28 AM   
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RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? - 3/1/2010 9:49:18 AM   
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And posts like this make me smile:


As long as it didn't make you ~smiles~


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RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? - 3/1/2010 10:33:15 AM   
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{Hi, guys, been a while -- I've been consumed with FL lately . . . . But I still love y'all . . . }

Anyways, as to the topic of this thread:

I've probably got low-level Asperger's, I consider myself 'Aspie-leaning'. & I know a coupla people who have fairly severe Asperger's & quite a few who are more what I'd characterize as Aspie-leaning, including both my sons (one more so than the other) & my father . . . . ..

& I suspect there's quite a few undiagnosed 'Aspie-leaning' adults out there mostly because (a) diagnosing mild ASD stuff is no cake walk, (b) the diagnostic criteria are aimed overwhelmingly at children, & (c) here in the US we spend virtually nothing on mental health issues . . . . .

For instance, almost nobody was diagnosing Asperger's when my 72 year old father was a child. &, while I went thru all kinds of mental health evaluations in my adolescence, none would have identified my Aspie-ness. It took being around self-identified mild Aspies in just the last few years for me to start to realize my connection, hearing them discuss what it is for them . . . . . .

&, check this out, in none of those cases do I consider it to be the nasty, devastating illness stated in either the OP or the revised OP. Frankly, it sounds like the OP's mixing co-morbidities in the list of symptoms, swirling in personality disorder stuff . .. . .

Any given mental or emotional issue can be co-morbid with other mental or emotional issues. Depression (chronic or acute), for instance, is frequently co-existent with virtually every other mental or emotional issue citable . ... . .

There's a lot not known about autism-spectrum disorders (ASD) & Asperger's, as is true of most every scientific field of study. Lots still to discover & figure out .. . ..

For those interested in expanding their understanding of what could be going on 'underneath' Asperger's & ASD, check out Simon Baron Cohen, I find his recent work a very persuasive direction to look towards. This particular approach to the subject really explained a lot of stuff about myself for me . ... .

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RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? - 3/1/2010 10:41:19 AM   
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RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? - 3/1/2010 1:09:49 PM   
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Hi, Ron! & Bwahahahahahaha!!!

Man, Fet does seem that Bleeker street some days, lol . . . .

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RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? - 3/1/2010 1:36:08 PM   
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ASD - Autistic Spectrum Disorder, by use of the word spectrum it is saying there is a big scale onto which a person may find themselves, the very limits of which are as of yet unknown, but the limits as they are encompass high functioning and low functioning.

With the adult population diagnosis is largely not available, it is more applicable to children at school, their future is considered the priority, which possibly also means adults who also suffer, well they have managed so far, they can get on with it. But with the adult population sometimes for the untrained, typical symptoms are not easily seen, as those who have got to adulthood have taught themselves coping strategies, which may include avoiding situations where they know they have  to them, an unfathomable problem, others just bluster on regardless and possibly think the problems that come about is the  result of the other people, they have a problem, not themselves, ( I wonder how many people know people like that )

With adults, sometimes diagnosis can come about as a result of other problems which when investigated sometimes have a root in a learning or developmental issue. In the UK, often it is adults who perhaps for a career change or enhancement, go back to college to learn and there find they struggle with the basics, then college funded testing comes about, and thereafter learning support.

In such a way, I received the diagnosis and it came as a relief, a massive relief, for I then knew what it was that caused my past confusions, also a very likely reason for the life long depressive issues, failure to understand, ostracisation and poor social abilities, my coping strategy was also to avoid social situations, I was happier with animals, OAP's and mechanisms than people of my peer group. With the diagnosis came various other interesting information to include a statement that I was highly intelligent having an IQ in the top 30% and a reasoning ability in the top 3% of whatever, but my thought processing speed is way below normal, so I can give a very accurate answer or fix a difficult problem, but if someone wants it quick, they are not going to get it, I move at my own pace, which is not very good for industry, I have been there on that, been fired plenty of times for not moving at the speed an employer wished of me.

So, I have the potential in me to do well in my preferred field of expertise, but, I haven't, why, because though I may possess this wonderful intelligence, I cannot apply it because I don't know how. What could be simple to most, is not to me, the blindingly obvious often totally eludes me and that is the down side of ASD, unless one is caught early and the problems there identified and ironed out, a life of confusion and often depression follows.

I have since found via the learning support that I am an auditory learner, not a visual learner, ah, no wonder I have always struggled with written instruction, hence the reason I failed most of my sodding school exams, I could not understand what was being asked, but when questioned later, I knew the answers, which at that point in time, totally perplexed my teachers and they just assigned lazy and trouble maker to my reports.

If anyone reading this thinks they might have ASD related problems, then I urge you to at least find out, for if the result is positive, it can provide you with a wealth of answers to problems only you know about, why let those niggles in the mind stay, cure them.

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RE: asperger's epidemic on collarme? - 3/1/2010 4:56:23 PM   
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And before we had psychologists and analysts, we just had people, now it seems we have yet more little boxes to define and segregate people into, eventually I suppose each and every one of us will have a definition, our own little box, then what will we do.


You're just complaining because you're the only person to ever be diagnosed with Aneirinitis and it hasn't made it into the DSMV yet.

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