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RE: Race...living the lifestyle with head buried in the... - 3/30/2006 6:01:25 PM   
MstrFury


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I would truely like to thank all who've responded to this topic so far...forgive me...but...I've been the one who's been without a clue...yes I do identify as black...but in reality and to those close to me...I call myself a mutt...my background is...american indian...irish...dutch..african...german....my slave/wife is dutch irish.....as you can guess...while growing up...seeing all the different people in my family...I grew up learning to value a person by the content of their actions and deed towards others....a good person is a good person...color has nothing to do with a life...a life is what you make it...if you look at the background of my history you'll see it took strength in my family to look past issues that affect many....that's where I guess I gained my Dominant personality....being stronger than the situation around me...learning to control myself so as to not even think in terms of color...( come to a family gathering with me sometime and see )....I don't just assume anything....that's why I guess I'm just now seeking input....a view new to me....I've never been at a loss for words...and I'm not that way now...I try to think, before I insert foot-in-mouth....I always try to see past what I hear for the true content and meaning...be it shallow or deep...if it touches me in whatever way...I stop to find out why...this touched me like no other topic in a very long time...every single opinion given is another bite into that fruit of knowledge that helps me continue to grow and understand the nature of what makes all of us feel alive and vital to ourselves and others...just a simple man in a complex world...

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RE: Race...living the lifestyle with head buried in the... - 3/30/2006 11:10:14 PM   
DoNotDisobey


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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What caught My attention in this thread was wytchywoman's comment about this "community" (BDSMers generally, not CM, as she explained) liking to pretend to be accepting and open-minded.
 
What increasingly disturbs Me is the intolerance shown by people of one "kink" to those of another. I have been abused (and reported to Yahoo, no less!) for discussing BDSM in a general "anything goes" sex chat room... the complaints were two cross dressers who, in the same room, were seeking anal sex with males. Equally, I've been at swingers clubs where a transsexual who wasn't particularly passable was ridiculed and made to feel unwelcome. And that's just two of many, many examples.


A "swinger's club" may not be the ideal place for a transsexual. But a swinger's club is not usually also a BDSM club. Having attended both, there is much more openness at a BDSM club.


I take your point. Here in Australia though (and particularly in a relatively small and isolated city such as the one in which I live) most clubs are "multi purpose" because there isn't a sufficient population of BDSMers / "pure" swingers / other-variety kinksters to sustain a "niche" operation.
 
The club occasionally has a "Fetish Ball", though many non-BDSM people attend and see it as a combination fancy dress ball and voyeurs' night out  LOL The club tries to cater for everyone by having couples-only rooms, a dungeon room and so on... but unfortunately everyone must rub shoulders (and occasionally other body parts) with kinksters of all persuasions.
 
I'd have thought, given the broader community prejudices against swingers, polyamorists, submissives, Dominants, voyeurs and anyone else who doesn't have sex with the lights off through a hole in the sheet, that kinksters of all persuasions would unite, or at least try their damndest to get along... but I guess I am naive.

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Equating what happens in a BDSM chat-room and what goes on at a club is a big fault in your assumption. People are more intolerant here and on internet sites in general...


Actually, in general I find people on here and in other broadly sex-related fora to be more considerate than those in other discussions I participate (you irrational personal want abuse? Express even a mild opinion in a political forum!!)
 
So I agree with the "in general" part, but not the "in here" (maybe I just haven't been round long enough!).

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Nothing that you see here represents actual person to person or persons to persons interaction. Bravery disappears when the impersonal and hidden identity of the internet is removed. This medium is a haven for frauds. In fact, it's prudent to assume all are, until/unless you've met them.


Amen!!! I've often thought that there's a market for a USB-connected, IP addressed lie detector. You want me to prove I am who and what I say I am? Hang on, I'll just wire myself up (and if the device shows I'm lying, hit ctrl-enter and it'll give Me a few millivolts through the testicles LOL)
 
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Tolerance is accepting what one doesn't like or care for not acceptance of difference, otherwise you wouldn't be tolerating it.

 
Very well said. I think that relates back to other comments about people expressing open-mindedness and then not practising it. I won't ever claim to be completely comfortable with every single kink on the planet. There are plenty of people to whom I'd say "I'm not willing to participate in or watch what you do, and I'd prefer to not even discuss it with you. But if anyone tries to stop you doing it, I'll be right beside you defending your right to do it".
 
If only people accepted everyone else's right to do what they liked, as well as everyone else's right to disapprove of whatever it is they do - and everyone agreed not to interfere with one another's rights to do either...
 
*goes back to reality*

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RE: Race...living the lifestyle with head buried in the... - 4/2/2006 5:52:13 PM   
BlackMaster53


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Greetings and Salutations, Mstrfury!

This topic is VERY interesting to me. I just found out about collarme.com, and have been
a member only a couple of days now. Please excuse a newbie user's comments, some of
which might get a bit harsh to many ears here...  but I'm a plain spoken man and always
have been.

I've been into the D/s lifestyle a VERY long time now (R/L), and I'm surprised to hear 
that this sort of bullshit is surfacing here, My Brother.

In R/L (northern states, Illinois, Iowa, Wisconsin) the race issue has cropped up on
occasion, but it's resolved without resorting to venom or abuse. I guess the fact that
the internet response is so venomous just proves one of my old theories; every coward
suddenly becomes an unstoppable badass when he's looking at a keyboard and not a
face in front of him!

I've encountered discrimination in my life (as have you), and you find yourself amazed 
that after all this time it still exists...  but exist it DOES. It's amazing when it shows up in
D/s online systems tho.

Let's face it...  D/s and BDSM are NOT mainstream activities, tho we're a lot less in the
underground than we have been in the past. If our preferences were generally known,
nearly ALL practitioners would suddenly become the New Niggers, discriminated 
against by the "straight" society. Given that situation, one would think that the narrow
minded among us would figure out that such behavior is foolish and without basis. But...
the world of D/s is simply a subset of the larger society, and also has it's share of idiots.

I've been setting up my profile a little at a time and I haven't yet decided if I should post
a picture. Seeing your experience with it I believe that I WILL do so...   thanks for
making the decision for me.

Incidentally...  I tend to deal with long term relationships with subs, and in the over 35
years I've been into this nearly ALL have been another race.

And that's what it all boils down to, doesn't it? The race issue is of no consequence,
nor is it the business, of anyone except those involved in a relationship.


I hope I haven't offended anyone...   as I said, I'm a plain spoken man.


BlackMaster



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RE: Race...living the lifestyle with head buried in the... - 4/2/2006 6:30:33 PM   
MochaMistress


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As was stated before in serveral of the responses. No matter in vanilla or bdsm or sport or military etc there will always be a few that makes a distinction about race, religion, sexual preference, height, weight etc. Dont let the few come between you and your goal or passions.
Personal experience I have men that would fall under my heels because I'm a big beautiful woman of color, being 5'11" 230lbs and dark complexion. But on the other hand I've had men to be totally turned off by that also. I just delete the emails from the people that have negative things to say. When I contact a person that responds you are black or too tall or too heavy I just keep on to the next. Heck I've even had men of color say "I'm not looking for women of color". After all this rambling... bottom line there are always a few in the groups that will voice their opinions about race, sexual persuation, preferences etc, which will differ from yours. Keep looking for like minded people that see you as a person no matter what the color of your skin.

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RE: Race...living the lifestyle with head buried in the... - 4/3/2006 10:02:35 AM   
Blkmastersgirl


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I dont know why this is so hard for some to understand. I want my Master to be the strongest, sexiest man there is. He is Black and that is what I want. If a guy wants a blonde, I can want a Black Master. If anyone wants to know more about my lifestyle, feel free to contact me.

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RE: Race...living the lifestyle with head buried in the... - 4/3/2006 2:35:25 PM   
BitchCat


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Lighthearted reply: My first sub once told me he was even more turned on by the idea of Me dominating him because he's a white boy and I'm a Black Woman, as if it was redemption/revenge. What an amusing little worm. ^_^

Good luck in the future, though, Master Fury. I believe that these activities are all about love and respect, so perhaps these experiences come from interacting with filth who're even more n00b than I am.

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RE: Race...living the lifestyle with head buried in the... - 4/3/2006 3:24:00 PM   
BlackMaster53


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quote:

ORIGINAL: BitchCat

Lighthearted reply: My first sub once told me he was even more turned on by the idea of Me dominating him because he's a white boy and I'm a Black Woman, as if it was redemption/revenge. What an amusing little worm. ^_^




Hello BitchCat.

I hear THAT, loud & clear!

There IS an obvious erotic side to this issue; for some new subs I've known (White) the
very act of submitting to a Black man is thier very FIRST act of submission. Since the
whole miscegenation thing is still often a social taboo, it carries heavy erotic overtones.
For these newbies it's the FIRST taboo that they've broken, and paves the way for a
whole lot MORE in other areas of  relative "social acceptability". 

One submissive spoke of it to me...  while it was a taboo, her fantasy from the time she
was a very young teenager was a matter of esthetics. She was enchanted by the visual
contrasts of the possibility of Black flesh interacting with White.

Perhaps it's this same aesthetic that makes a few of us SO violently disapproving of it.


BlackMaster

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RE: Race...living the lifestyle with head buried in the... - 4/3/2006 4:46:39 PM   
Padriag


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Hi Fury, wanted to respond to what you posted.  I've thought about what I'm about to say an considered that I may get flamed for saying it... but then I never came here to win a popularity contest.

There are a lot of reasons for your experience.  To be blunt, I think despite all the claims about being color blind and how its "shameful in this day and age" the reality is race still very much matters to most people.  And its not surprising, there are a variety of reasons for it.

One of them is biological... there is a built in impulse in all social animals to seek out similar animals.  Get enough of one species together and you'll find they start to subdivide into smaller groups based on more specific similarities.  People aren't exempt from this rule.  Its caused by a combination of seeking security in a group versus our ability to deal with numbers.  There comes a certain point when there are just too many people to feel connected too, so we subdivide into smaller groups based on things we find familiar in each other until we reach a number we can feel comfortable with... and that threshold varies.  Ever noticed that among white or blacks, most of them tend to subdivide into smaller groups along more specific qualities... rednecks vs yuppies, dark skinned blacks vs light skinned blacks vs mulattos, east coast vs west coast, republican vs democrat, vanilla vs kinky... its all the same thing really.

Sometimes we override this, some other criteria becomes more important... we might assemble into larger groups because some external threat provides sufficient motivation for smaller groups to come together... a million blacks march together... blacks and whites unite to fight a common enemy in a war... nations unite to fight a common threat... smaller groups seek other similar groups for security by forming a larger group better able to meet the threat, safety in numbers... its all the same.

We often divide over race because of two things, biology and visual cues.  There are biological difference between whites and black, I'm not saying one is superior or any other such nonsense... but just that there are differences.  Differences in the levels and specific combinations of pheromones we produce, cultural differences, and visually obvious physical differences.  Human beings are very visual creatures, and given that its no small wonder we seperate on visual differences.  A german and italian get together more easily than a black and white, why... visual similarities and differences.  We judge by what we see because we rely so much on what we see for information.  Take for example the letters and words you are reading right now... you need to see them to have them, take sight away and how lost would you be?  How much information would be lost to you because you couldn't see it in order to take it in.  Think about it.
We divide over cultural differences too, and those same biological and visual differences only reforce the cultural differences... that is, try to imagine a white person trying to participate in the black culture... or better still watch an episode of Black and White and it becomes painfully obvious that even when you change the visual cues, you paint white people black... they just ain't black!  They don't have the culture and the culture isn't going to accept them and vice versa.

In short, racism is in part a biological function, its not going to go away.  That's not a popular statement I'm sure... but take a look at the last 300 years of human history... it hasn't gone away.  That doesn't mean we can't ameliorate it and reduce it.  Knowing that we tend to seek out what is similiar and familiar to us helps us recognize our own habits and when those habits may be causing us to be unconsciously unfair to someone else.  Knowing that we can control and override those impulses empowers us with the choice to do so.  Not every one will, some will simply be too lazy to do so.  But some will, and that's also a uniquely human quality.  Our conscious self awareness allows us to override biological impulses... to ignore race, to not have kids, to run into a burning building instead of out of it and all sorts of other things that every biological impulse in our being is screaming at us not to do.

We all make choices about who we associate with, but we don't always examine the reasons for those choices.  I like brunettes... I'm pretty sure that goes back to a cute little Hawai'ian girl I met when I was just a kid, she made an impression.  Knowing that doesn't change that preference, but I also know its just a quirk about me and while I tend not to be as attracted to blonds, I don't discount them either, I don't close myself off to the possibility of dating a blong woman.  I've known white women who would never date a black man, and I've known some who exclusively seek out black men... and I wonder about the choices both make.  I wonder how much they've examined their choices.

One last point I'll make... we often deal with individuals far differently than we deal with groups.  But not everyone is willing to make the effort to deal with an individual.  Everyone has a little prejudice in them (also not a popular statement, but a very honest one none-the-less), its easy when dealing with groups to create a stereotype and just write them off.  To say that all Irish are drunkards, or all blacks are criminals, or that all whites are racist.  Its when we allow ourselves to see individuals that all breaks down... then we have to deal with people, we have to face the truth that while some Irish are drunkards, some won't touch a drop and some keep it under control and some bizarre few don't even like whiskey.  Its when we deal with individual we have to face our prejudices, our stereotypes, our own ignorance and misguided notions and that can be a very humbling experience.  Not everyone can handle that, some people avoid it out of fear.  As part of a group I may never give you more than a passing consideration... but as an individual I have to see you as a man you are.  Try to remember that when you are confronted with the personal attacks.  You'll often find they aren't really personal at all, they're actually attacking a stereotype, a group, they're attacking the unfamiliar.

Its a funny thing about people... we're very much driven by Us vs Them... and Them is invariably anyone different from Us.  The only thing that really changes is how broad our definition of Us is. 

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Padriag

A stern discipline pervades all nature, which is a little cruel so that it may be very kind - Edmund Spencer

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RE: Race...living the lifestyle with head buried in the... - 4/3/2006 7:46:33 PM   
Blkmastersgirl


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quote:

ORIGINAL: BlackMaster53

There IS an obvious erotic side to this issue; for some new subs I've known (White) the
very act of submitting to a Black man is thier very FIRST act of submission....One submissive spoke of it to me...  while it was a taboo, her fantasy from the time she
was a very young teenager was a matter of esthetics. She was enchanted by the visual
contrasts of the possibility of Black flesh interacting with White.



It is like that with me. I find Black men extremely more dominant and masculine and am not attracted to white men. I don't dislike white men but I am not sexually attracted to them or want them to dom me. I have my Master and he is Black.

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