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Releasing the Yorkshire Ripper - 3/1/2010 2:48:19 PM   
LadyEllen


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Status: offline 		British readers of a certain age will be more than familiar with Peter Sutcliffe, the so-called Yorkshire Ripper who was gaoled in 1981 to 20 life sentences for the murders and attempted murders of several women in the UK, having claimed that "God" told him to do it. Since then he's spent most of his sentence in a secure psychiatric prison where, apparently, he's been responding well to treatment.

Today his legal team applied for a ruling as to his tariff (the minimum number of years he must serve before being considered for parole). Those dealing with him are of the opinion that he ought not have to serve more than a few years more since in their view he is no longer a danger to society.

I am all for prison reform, though perhaps not in the way most reformers might be, and all for the release of offenders who have been rehabilitated - something in which prison often fails utterly.

However, this case troubles me. Sutcliffe is now 63 years of age and indeed he may not be a danger any longer as his team suggest. But, can we truly consider such an offender in the same way we might regard any other? Or is it unfair and unreasonable to treat him differently from others?

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RE: Releasing the Yorkshire Ripper - 3/1/2010 2:51:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		that guy needs to STAY in jail.   that is what jails are for.

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RE: Releasing the Yorkshire Ripper - 3/1/2010 2:53:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		He gave up his right to be treated as a member of society when the crimes were committed.

How would you sleep knowing he was living next door.?

I have no sympathy for him. I would be nice to think he had been reformed, but  the potential negatives greatly out weigh the single positive of his freedom.


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RE: Releasing the Yorkshire Ripper - 3/1/2010 2:57:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		He like the moors murders should have hung and be done with it, end of problem. If they had, we would not have these stupid situations arising, not a danger, yeah, that is until he offends again and who says he won't. But, in Britain, one is presumed innocent until proven guilty in most cases, which means the killing can start and go on before he is caught, but hey, it's only minnions that suffer, the notion of law has to be upheld.




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RE: Releasing the Yorkshire Ripper - 3/1/2010 3:04:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		So why should he be treated differently? He has served around three times a normal life sentence here and the advice is that he is a reformed character, no longer a danger to the public. To note is that his 20 life sentences are served concurrently, and therefore in effect he must serve only one, the same as if he had murdered only once.

Prison is said to be for the purposes of deterrence (here irrelevant), rehabilitation, public protection and punishment. The advice is that rehabilitation is fulfilled and there is no danger from this offender, so by keeping him in prison we are simply punishing him - and for offences which, as it would appear, he committed whilst of unsound mind - and here he has served more than what is regarded to be an adequate sentence.

I dont believe he ought to be released - indeed I think that for his own protection he must be kept in prison until the day he dies if nothing else. But the problem still remains as to why this particular offender ought to be treated differently?

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RE: Releasing the Yorkshire Ripper - 3/1/2010 3:12:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is irritating that in Britain a life sentence does not necessarily mean an offender will serve the rest of their days behind bars, to me life should mean life and if one illegally  and with motivation takes a life, i.e. murders, then for the life taken one must surrender their own life and stay behind bars. As to mass murderers, nothing but a short rope will suffice.

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RE: Releasing the Yorkshire Ripper - 3/1/2010 3:14:30 PM   
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RE: Releasing the Yorkshire Ripper - 3/1/2010 3:18:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I have studied him a little along with other sexual serial killers. A sort of peerage perusal.

I do think that due to his advancing age he does not pose the threat that he once did, after all; it is no day of bobs your uncle to kill an unwilling victim, he is just as much or more at risk than his victim types.

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RE: Releasing the Yorkshire Ripper - 3/1/2010 3:42:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		If your're a con, concurrent sentence is a dream come true, in his case he kills 13 women and serves 30 years? not enough, in my mind he should never be let out again.The cunt was in parkhurst for a while after first convicted and while there he had his face smashed in and was moved to broadmoor, at the time I was visiting several cons who were convinced he was faking being nuts.
Im sorry but anyone, nuts or otherwise, killing 13 women entitles you to never see the outside of broadmoor ever again, thats less than three years per human life. Its an insult to humanity.
just my humble opinion:)


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RE: Releasing the Yorkshire Ripper - 3/1/2010 3:44:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

If your're a con, concurrent sentence is a dream come true, in his case he kills 13 women and serves 30 years? not enough, in my mind he should never be let out again.The cunt was in parkhurst for a while after first convicted and while there he had his face smashed in and was moved to broadmoor, at the time I was visiting several cons who were convinced he was faking being nuts.
Im sorry but anyone, nuts or otherwise, killing 13 women entitles you to never see the outside of broadmoor ever again, thats less than three years per human life. Its an insult to humanity.
just my humble opinion:)




Right.  He is not reformed.

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RE: Releasing the Yorkshire Ripper - 3/1/2010 3:46:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		At 63 he still is easily capable of murdering again. I say to lock him up for another forty years.

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RE: Releasing the Yorkshire Ripper - 3/1/2010 3:47:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		And people wonder why I am pro capital punishment, this guy should have been fried.

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RE: Releasing the Yorkshire Ripper - 3/1/2010 3:47:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is just one reason that some of us are in favor of the death penalty. There are certain people that should not be let out of prison. It happens all to frequently.

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RE: Releasing the Yorkshire Ripper - 3/1/2010 4:01:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		20 life sentences should mean jail for life. I hope every woman in the UK stands up and says no to his release. His victims are not here to protest, they are dead remember? Their families suffer on. He should have been hanged.

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RE: Releasing the Yorkshire Ripper - 3/1/2010 4:03:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		I haven't a dog in this fight, I could give a fuck what happens to him.

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RE: Releasing the Yorkshire Ripper - 3/1/2010 4:58:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Comes down to politics at the end of the day, he'll not be paroled ever.

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RE: Releasing the Yorkshire Ripper - 3/1/2010 5:01:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Pretty sure this is now a judicial matter though - the Home Secretary is no longer involved in such decisions, so removing the political element. Having said that however, it would be a brave judge who arranged for his parole, or one too stupid to find some reason to keep him inside.

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RE: Releasing the Yorkshire Ripper - 3/1/2010 5:08:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think it'll happen, similar to what happened to that Hidley women did she ever get out? These news events seems to come up once in a while but the status quo remains.

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RE: Releasing the Yorkshire Ripper - 3/1/2010 5:12:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Myra Hindley died in gaol in 2002 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors_murders 

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RE: Releasing the Yorkshire Ripper - 3/1/2010 5:14:05 PM   
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Brady is in manchester hospital now he must be inhis early 70s\

WHAT LE said:)


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