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Brain -> US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias (3/5/2010 7:16:09 PM)

To call these kind of groups "patriotic" is a massive misnomer, they are on the fringes of terrorism. The Southern Poverty Law Centre's calculation that these far right groups, have grown by a huge 250% is shocking and one has to fear for the safety of the President. The fact that there is an intermingling between "serious politicians", albeit right wing ones, is also troubling. It offers a respectability to these groups, that isn't deserved. Likewise it reflects the lowering standards of the right flank of the GOP.

Talk radio and tea baggers, are spreading ill thought out conspiracy theories and raciest rhetoric, that is spreading gas on this flame. These radio shows and conspiracy theories are ill thought out!.They can't even decide if Obama is a "fascist" or a "socialist", which is bizarre as fascism and socialism are at opposite ends of the political spectrum. He is clearly a fairly moderate politician. These groups are more likely to cause bloodshed, then Islamic terrorism. It's just not so well reported, it makes better copy to write of foreign terrorists, than home-grown ones.
 
These groups [Tea Baggers] are more likely to cause bloodshed, then Islamic terrorism.
 
US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias
 
• Civil rights report shows 250% rise in 'patriot' groups
• Economy and media conspiracy theories fuel growth

Thursday 4 March 2010 17.18 GMT

Glenn Beck of Fox News. A report by the Southern Poverty Law Centre says that the rapid increase in rightwing extremist groups is a partly down to government conspiracy theories in the mass media. Photograph: Mike Mergen/AP
 
The US is facing a surge in anti-government extremist groups and armed militias, driven by deepening hostility on the right to Barack Obama, anger over the economy, and the increasing propagation of conspiracy theories by parts of the mass media such as Fox News.
 
The Southern Poverty Law Centre, the US's most prominent civil rights group focused on hate organisations, said in a report that extremist "patriot" groups "came roaring back to life" last year as their number jumped nearly 250% to more than 500 with deepening ties to conservative mainstream politics.
 
The SPLC report, called Rage on the Right, said the rise in extremist groups was "a cause for grave concern" given their propensity to use violence during their heyday in the 90s, most notably with the Oklahoma City bombing that killed 168 people. It added that the issues driving support for such groups were increasingly populist and that "signs of growing radicalisation are everywhere".
 
"Patriot groups have been fuelled by anger over the changing demographics of the country, the soaring public debt, the troubled economy and an array of initiatives by President Obama that have been branded "socialist" or even "fascist" by his political opponents," the report said.
 
"Already there are signs of … violence emanating from the radical right. Since the installation of Barack Obama, rightwing extremists have murdered six law enforcement officers. Racist skinheads and others have been arrested in alleged plots to assassinate the nation's first black president. One man from Brockton, Massachusetts – who told police he had learned on white supremacist websites that a genocide was under way against whites – is charged with murdering two black people and planning to kill as many Jews as possible on the day after Obama's inauguration. Most recently, a rash of individuals with anti-government, survivalist or racist views have been arrested in a series of bomb cases."
 
The report says the patriot movement has "made significant inroads into the conservative political scene" in part driven by a growing view of the US administration "as part of a plot to impose 'one-world government' on liberty-loving Americans".
 
"The Tea Parties and similar groups that have sprung up in recent months cannot fairly be considered extremist groups, but they are shot through with rich veins of radical ideas, conspiracy theories and racism," the report says.
 
The SPLC notes that the rise comes as part of a deepening disillusionment with government in which just one quarter of Americans think government can be trusted. It said that a recent poll found that the anti-tax Tea Party movement is viewed in more positive terms than the Democratic or Republican parties.
 
"The signs of growing radicalisation are everywhere. Armed men have come to Obama speeches bearing signs suggesting that the 'tree of liberty' needs to be 'watered' with 'the blood of tyrants'. The Conservative Political Action Conference held this February was co-sponsored by groups like the John Birch Society, which believes President Eisenhower was a communist agent, and Oath Keepers, a patriot outfit formed last year that suggests, in thinly veiled language, that the government has secret plans to declare martial law and intern patriotic Americans in concentration camps," the SPLC said.
 
The report says that, unlike during the 1990s, the patriot movement's core ideas are more widely propagated and accepted by prominent politicians and some in the mass media, such as the Fox News presenter Glenn Beck.
 
"As the movement has exploded, so has the reach of its ideas, aided and abetted by commentators and politicians in the ostensible mainstream," said the report. "Beck, for instance, reinvigorated a key patriot conspiracy theory – the charge that the federal emergency management agency is secretly running concentration camps – before finally 'debunking' it."
 
How far such language is now part of the mainstream political discourse was confirmed by Politico today, which reported that it had obtained a Republican national committee document detailing plans to raise election funds with "an aggressive campaign capitalising on 'fear' of President Barack Obama" and a promise to "save the country from trending toward socialism".
 
In the presentation, the administration is portrayed as "the Evil Empire", and Obama as the Joker in Batman.
 
Patriot groups and militias are planning a march on Washington next month ostensibly in defence of the right to carry guns.
 
Armed and angry
 
The SPLC has identified 512 groups, including "patriots" and militias, which it accuses of pushing extreme anti-government doctrines or promoting political conspiracy theories. It says that many are not directly involved in violence but help feed extremism.
 
States with several groups include: Texas (52 groups including American Patriots for Freedom Foundation, Central Texas Militia, Texas Well Regulated Militia); Michigan (47 including Northern Michigan Backyard Protection Militia); California (22 including State of California Unorganized Militia, Northern California State Militia, American Armenian Militia, Freedom Force International); Indiana (21 including Indiana Sedentary Militia, Indiana Citizens Volunteer Militia, 3rd Brigade); New York (17 including Empire State Militia); Oregon (14 including Oregon Militia Corps) and Kentucky (13 including Kentucky State Militia – Ohio Valley Command).

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/04/us-surge-rightwing-extremist-groups




DarkSteven -> RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias (3/5/2010 7:20:21 PM)

It's hard to really classify these groups properly because they have different agendas and different methods.  Some of them are using violence and some are peaceful.

The peaceful ones I have no issues with.  It's healthy that they have voices that can be heard.  This is a democracy after all.  Part of the sheer genius of America is that we can allow for discordant views and somehow accomplish things anyway.






cuckyman -> RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias (3/5/2010 7:38:02 PM)

Numbnuts rides again...only this time anyone who disagrees with Obamaland is a 'right wing nutcase'.... bud the nation is rejecting Obama's vison,  and the Chicago thugery that he surrounds himself with.... This 'health care' crap is all about waaaay too much government control over the people... and this nation will NOT stand for that...if passed by these losers, it WILL be repealed as the GOP takes the house, the funding will be stopped and it will die....period...  So yell, scream, jump up and down, wave  you arms, but nonone is buying your leftwing garbage...the party is over for the 'progressives'.... The country has seen this bunch and what they are really about, and want no part of it....  November comes dummy, and there isn't one dam thing you can do to change it..... Obama's political days of power are counting down  and he will be thrown on the trash pile of loser democrats that are all about one thing.... government, more government, and more government on top of that..... and the nation is done with big government anything.... and this idiot is the last to get the memo....but he will... I assure you he will....




thornhappy -> RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias (3/5/2010 9:05:58 PM)

Hey cuck, get out your guns and crank up the gators.  I'm going to be down there in a few weeks.




TheHeretic -> RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias (3/5/2010 9:18:22 PM)

Yes.  But are they Roman Catholic???




Real0ne -> RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias (3/5/2010 9:42:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Yes.  But are they Roman Catholic???



painting terrorist on a constitutional inalienable Right is on the fringe and tantamount to treason and makes these guys enemies of the republic.

That and the teabaggers are bipartisan.

everyone is fed up.








ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias (3/5/2010 11:13:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Yes.  But are they Roman Catholic???


Who? The gators?




rulemylife -> RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias (3/6/2010 1:31:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

That and the teabaggers are bipartisan.



About as bipartisan as a CPAC convention.




Brain -> RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias (3/6/2010 2:12:00 AM)

They’re Bart STUPID clones, (he is).
Rachel Maddow Evicts Rep. Bart Stupak Video

For a second night in a row, MSNBC's Rachel Maddow calmly & succinctly eviscerated Rep. Bart Stupak, his anti-choice extremism and his ties to The Family ...
vodpod.com/.../3178904-rachel-maddow-evicts-rep-bart-stupak - 3 hours ago –

http://vodpod.com/watch/3178904-rachel-maddow-evicts-rep-bart-stupak



quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Yes.  But are they Roman Catholic???




jlf1961 -> RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias (3/6/2010 2:19:46 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Brain

They’re Bart STUPID clones, (he is).
Rachel Maddow Evicts Rep. Bart Stupak Video

For a second night in a row, MSNBC's Rachel Maddow calmly & succinctly eviscerated Rep. Bart Stupak, his anti-choice extremism and his ties to The Family ...
vodpod.com/.../3178904-rachel-maddow-evicts-rep-bart-stupak - 3 hours ago –

http://vodpod.com/watch/3178904-rachel-maddow-evicts-rep-bart-stupak



quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Yes.  But are they Roman Catholic???


quote:

Bart Stupak


Bart Stupak is a democrat




Brain -> RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias (3/6/2010 2:23:19 AM)

VIDEO 

reply Rachel Maddow Evicts Rep. B... from thejoshuablogs.blogspot.com For a second night in a row, MSNBC's Rachel Maddow calmly & succinctly eviscerated Rep. Bart Stupak, his anti-choice extremism and his ties to The Family through the C-Street mansion (whose owner The Family had denied knowing). Tonight, she is joined by Rev. Eric Williams, who opposes C Street's IRS Tax Exempt Status (which is already on thin ice). Rent control March 5: TRMS Investigates: Rachel Maddow digs deeper into who really paid Rep. Bart Stupak’s rent when he lived in the C Street House. Can you hear Rachel now, Bart?  http://vodpod.com/watch/3178904-rachel-maddow-evicts-rep-bart-stupak




Brain -> RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias (3/6/2010 2:27:49 AM)

I KNOW, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY HE'S AN ASSHOLE
and he won't be a Democrat for long, he WILL BE PURGED.




jlf1961 -> RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias (3/6/2010 2:29:14 AM)

Brain,
I watched the show, and Stupak is a democrat, and he has moved out of the c street house, he is a member of the family, and he is anti abortion.

Bartholomew Thomas "Bart" Stupak (born February 29, 1952), has been a Democratic member of the United States House of Representatives since 1993, representing Michigan's 1st congressional district.

The problem is that, being catholic, I am anti abortion.




eyesopened -> RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias (3/6/2010 2:56:41 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brain

I KNOW, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY HE'S AN ASSHOLE
and he won't be a Democrat for long, he WILL BE PURGED.


Hands Brain a roll of tin foil for his new hat.




DarkSteven -> RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias (3/6/2010 5:28:15 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brain

I KNOW, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY HE'S AN ASSHOLE
and he won't be a Democrat for long, he WILL BE PURGED.


Okay!  /Hands Stupak some Ex-Lax/

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

That and the teabaggers are bipartisan.



About as bipartisan as a CPAC convention.



The tea baggers consist of Republicans, Libertarians, and likely a few fringe groups.  I'd call them tripartisan at least.




truckinslave -> RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias (3/6/2010 8:05:37 AM)

Yeah, I heard some clown on Bill O (said clown quite possibly being of the SPLC ilk) complaining about rightwing hate groups. He specifically mentioned a group called "Oath Keepers", said they were really bad, dangerous types. Bill O said he'd call them, offer them a chance to come on the show. Guy who founded the group came on the next night, ate Bill O's lunch. Dude cost me $30.
Which is what I paid to join the next day.




truckinslave -> RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias (3/6/2010 8:10:07 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brain

They’re Bart STUPID clones, (he is).
Rachel Maddow Evicts Rep. Bart Stupak Video

For a second night in a row, MSNBC's Rachel Maddow calmly & succinctly eviscerated Rep. Bart Stupak, his anti-choice extremism and his ties to The Family ...
vodpod.com/.../3178904-rachel-maddow-evicts-rep-bart-stupak - 3 hours ago –

http://vodpod.com/watch/3178904-rachel-maddow-evicts-rep-bart-stupak

Bart Stupak must play a large role in Nacy pelosi's nightmares right now.
I hope he can withstand the enormous pressure that is being and will be brought against him. He seems like a man of conviction.
No wonder Rachel Maddow hates him.
Maybe he'll change parties.







Sanity -> RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias (3/6/2010 8:12:56 AM)


"Tea Baggers"? Why do you call them that. Do you suck their balls, Steven?

There are plenty of Democrats who are a part of the growing Tea Party movement, as well.


quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
The tea baggers consist of Republicans, Libertarians, and likely a few fringe groups.  I'd call them tripartisan at least.





RacerJim -> RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias (3/6/2010 8:17:19 AM)

Brain = Brainless





Moonhead -> RE: US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias (3/6/2010 8:38:44 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Yes.  But are they Roman Catholic???


Who? The gators?


Of course not. If they live in Florida they're going to be Baptists.




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