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Wolf2Bear -> RE: 911 won't help, but this guy wants to murder women (3/9/2010 9:47:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ordinary I gave up trying to win approval from people a very long time ago, but that doesn't mean it doesn't irritate me when some jackass laughs at my CONCERNS over some crazy nut job threatening to murder women. Fully read what is bolded.....all this person did was make a statement which may or may not be an actual threat against women. Yes it raises a concern by what was written, yet until that person has written that same message to others and the authorities feel that it is worth looking into; then all it is is a bunch of words. fyi...I don't give a flying rat's ass on what your age is.

thishereboi -> RE: 911 won't help, but this guy wants to murder women (3/9/2010 10:26:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jujubeeMB quote: ORIGINAL: Elisabella I applaud the OP for attempting to report it. At best, reporting it will save someone's life. At worst, it'll teach some jackass not to make stupid threats to strangers on the internet. It's a win win situation. I actually agree with this. Saying you want to kill people is definitely not cool, even on BDSM websites where people are sometimes creepy jackasses. If she wants to try to do something about it, I say she should go ahead. No it's not cool. However, you don't call 911 because you got an email that was not cool. I'm surprised they didn't fine her.

Elisabella -> RE: 911 won't help, but this guy wants to murder women (3/9/2010 7:33:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist quote: ORIGINAL: Elisabella Honestly it takes a real jackass to say that having consensual anal sex is in any way comparable to murdering someone because of their sexual orientation, just because they're both illegal. Also what you feel you have the right to do with your consenting partner is not the same as feeling you have the right to do something to "submissive women" as a whole. From what I can tell the guy in the OP isn't looking for a consenting partner to murder, he's saying he does not value the lives of submissive women and he has the right to kill them, consent or not. That's an extremely unhealthy mindset and I applaud the OP for attempting to report it. At best, reporting it will save someone's life. At worst, it'll teach some jackass not to make stupid threats to strangers on the internet. It's a win win situation. Jane (Curtain), you ignorant slut! -SNL It is my “belief” that you have reading compression difficulties inspired by your personal issues. A sane person can understand the legal difference between intent, beliefs and freedom of speech… which was the point of my reply. The fact you personalized it and imagined anal sex with me could have been flattering under different circumstances. . . . I hope it was good for you silly girl. I don't even know what you're talking about here, silly boy, I didn't imagine anal sex with you, I said that you're a damn idiot for equating consensual anal sex with your partner with believing you have a right to murder someone based on sexual orientation. So if anyone's an ignorant slut here, it's you.

Elisabella -> RE: 911 won't help, but this guy wants to murder women (3/9/2010 7:36:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi No it's not cool. However, you don't call 911 because you got an email that was not cool. I'm surprised they didn't fine her. Truth. You call 311, or whatever your local non-emergency police line is. I'm really surprised at how nonchalantly people are responding. Sending emails to strangers that you have a desire to kill people is not normal, and I'd say it's a pretty strong warning sign for sociopathic behavior.

Elisabella -> RE: 911 won't help, but this guy wants to murder women (3/9/2010 7:39:14 PM)
quote: … and as far as Elisabella’s criminal mind suggesting that it is OK to commit sex crimes against women but not OK to commit other crimes is just personal prejudice. Even if you happen to agree with that prejudice, it is still imposing your moral crime preference over someone else’s supposed criminal beliefs. The whole concept is as ludicrous as this and my previous replies. What I said was there is a difference between two consenting partners engaging in an act that is illegal, and one person forcing a nonconsenting person to engage in an illegal act. To me, the consent makes the former morally okay, if not legally, whereas the second, the nonconsensual one, is both immoral and illegal. Learn to read before getting indignant dude.

lovingpet -> RE: 911 won't help, but this guy wants to murder women (3/9/2010 7:53:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ordinary So because I'm 19 that just automatically makes me a 'drama queen' (even though it's your own story in your own head, and you've got some strange ideas about me)? Gee, I'll keep in mind that I don't deserve to be taken seriously, talked to like an adult, and that anyone older than me has the right to look down on me while creating all these elaborate ideas about me and my life. I gave up trying to win approval from people a very long time ago, but that doesn't mean it doesn't irritate me when some jackass laughs at my CONCERNS over some crazy nut job threatening to murder women. I never noticed you wrote this with apparently me as your target audience. I DID take you seriously on the first page of this thread. I also joked around with friends, mostly inside jokes. I think you are unaware of just what the police can and cannot do, but I don't think I'd be comfortable doing absolutely nothing about someone who sent me an email like that either. Again, the only person you can definitely protect is yourself here. Report, block, and never EVER meet this person. Fair? lovingpet

barelynangel -> RE: 911 won't help, but this guy wants to murder women (3/9/2010 7:54:20 PM)
Again, until someone ACTUALLY COMMITS A CRIME, and saying they have a right to kill a type of person isn't illegal its actually considered freedom of speach, they can preach about their rights all they wish -- its a crime when they actually do something. The second problem you have here is this is an anonymous website, all they basically can do is find where the ISP leads --- yet there is no way to prove who actually SENT the email. Therefore, you have nothing other than what it is -- an anonymous email from an anonymous person to another anonymous person on a website of nicknames. Its nonchalant reactions because there is no OMG moment here. I mean do you seriously call the cops 911 or non-emergency everytime you hear someone say they want to kill someone? I don't think you have. Its not illegal to be a sociopath. Its not illegal to be a psychopath either. A person can be a sociopath or even a psychopath all their lives and if they never commit an actual crime, but say write about it or preach about it, they will never be arrested. What someone does in this situation is simple, if you feel its against the TOS of the website -- you report the email to the website. Until a crime is committed -- cops can't do anything. angel

thepillowdreamer -> RE: 911 won't help, but this guy wants to murder women (3/9/2010 9:13:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ordinary So because I'm 19 that just automatically makes me a 'drama queen' (even though it's your own story in your own head, and you've got some strange ideas about me)? Gee, I'll keep in mind that I don't deserve to be taken seriously, talked to like an adult, and that anyone older than me has the right to look down on me while creating all these elaborate ideas about me and my life. I gave up trying to win approval from people a very long time ago, but that doesn't mean it doesn't irritate me when some jackass laughs at my CONCERNS over some crazy nut job threatening to murder women. no, you're not a drama queen, but you're acting a little bit like one right now. never post when you're indignant: you're prolly not feeling as strong as you're coming off right now, but it reads like a hissy. you got every right in the world to be concerned, and again, the people not dicking around (which is alright, because thread hijacking is a natural and beautiful thing) offered you advice and personal opinions. nobody here's looking down on you, and we're glad you brought it to the forum's attention. chances are that he was just a complete whackjob who won't do this shit, but there's a chance that he could. there's always that chance. there's a lot of danger on this site, and it sounds like you had your first experience with it- whether it's the kind that ends up with people in the ground, or simply something that makes you profoundly uncomfortable. i hope if something like this ever happens again, you do take it seriously. and remember that calling 911 whenever you feel you're in any danger is perfectly okay, because that's what emergency services are for, but that there's also a huge chance that you were trolled by a creep who gets off on making women panic.

thepillowdreamer -> RE: 911 won't help, but this guy wants to murder women (3/9/2010 9:22:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel Again, until someone ACTUALLY COMMITS A CRIME, and saying they have a right to kill a type of person isn't illegal its actually considered freedom of speach, they can preach about their rights all they wish -- its a crime when they actually do something. The second problem you have here is this is an anonymous website, all they basically can do is find where the ISP leads --- yet there is no way to prove who actually SENT the email. Therefore, you have nothing other than what it is -- an anonymous email from an anonymous person to another anonymous person on a website of nicknames. Its nonchalant reactions because there is no OMG moment here. I mean do you seriously call the cops 911 or non-emergency everytime you hear someone say they want to kill someone? I don't think you have. Its not illegal to be a sociopath. Its not illegal to be a psychopath either. A person can be a sociopath or even a psychopath all their lives and if they never commit an actual crime, but say write about it or preach about it, they will never be arrested. What someone does in this situation is simple, if you feel its against the TOS of the website -- you report the email to the website. Until a crime is committed -- cops can't do anything. angel exactly. unless there's an actual threat to somebody's life or rl stalking (ex: he somehow figures out where you live and calls you, or says, specifically, that he knows where you live and is going to kill you), there's not a whole lot to do other than staying safe without becoming too jaded to recognize danger when it's in front of you. some people abuse their freedom of speech, unfortunately, but it's something we can't afford to lose even in the name of personal safety. ...i feel like a rant about national security should be attached to this. sorry. gettin' all preachy.

Elisabella -> RE: 911 won't help, but this guy wants to murder women (3/9/2010 11:24:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thepillowdreamer some people abuse their freedom of speech, unfortunately, but it's something we can't afford to lose even in the name of personal safety. ...i feel like a rant about national security should be attached to this. sorry. gettin' all preachy. For the record, freedom of speech does not include threats of violence. Now it can be argued that what the person wrote in his email wasn't a direct threat of violence, but it can also be argued that if the words were directed toward a submissive woman they are. Compare to "I think that as a white person it's my right to kill black people by bashing their heads against the wall" - that's a bit more obvious because it's based on race rather than sexual orientation, but sexual orientation is also covered in hate crime laws, and telling a person that you feel you have the right to kill the group of people that the person you're talking to belongs to could easily be construed as a threat.

LafayetteLady -> RE: 911 won't help, but this guy wants to murder women (3/9/2010 11:43:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thepillowdreamer quote: ORIGINAL: ordinary So because I'm 19 that just automatically makes me a 'drama queen' (even though it's your own story in your own head, and you've got some strange ideas about me)? Gee, I'll keep in mind that I don't deserve to be taken seriously, talked to like an adult, and that anyone older than me has the right to look down on me while creating all these elaborate ideas about me and my life. I gave up trying to win approval from people a very long time ago, but that doesn't mean it doesn't irritate me when some jackass laughs at my CONCERNS over some crazy nut job threatening to murder women. no, you're not a drama queen, but you're acting a little bit like one right now. never post when you're indignant: you're prolly not feeling as strong as you're coming off right now, but it reads like a hissy. you got every right in the world to be concerned, and again, the people not dicking around (which is alright, because thread hijacking is a natural and beautiful thing) offered you advice and personal opinions. nobody here's looking down on you, and we're glad you brought it to the forum's attention. chances are that he was just a complete whackjob who won't do this shit, but there's a chance that he could. there's always that chance. there's a lot of danger on this site, and it sounds like you had your first experience with it- whether it's the kind that ends up with people in the ground, or simply something that makes you profoundly uncomfortable. i hope if something like this ever happens again, you do take it seriously. and remember that calling 911 whenever you feel you're in any danger is perfectly okay, because that's what emergency services are for, but that there's also a huge chance that you were trolled by a creep who gets off on making women panic. First, the OP's response, I believe, was meant for me, not lovingpet. I did indeed call her a drama queen. Her reaction to that really just solidifies that she is indeed being a drama queen. For the OP. This was just one simple unsolicited email? The reality is that if you actually provided us with the entirety of the email, it is pretty meaningless. Shocking, definately. Perhaps even a little scary? Of course. But calling 911 to report an email from someone you don't know, that contains no information indicating that he DID know you is abuse of the 911 system. It isn't that you are only 19 that makes you a drama queen. Being 19 and new to this site (and likely any others like this one) means that you haven't lived long enough to experience the full range of weirdos, wankers and whack jobs that frequent places like this. Are they all harmless? No, I would never say that all of them are. I would say that in all liklihood the majority of them are not psychotic serial killers who are trolling for them next victim. As others have already pointed out, there are those who see someone who is young and new and they get their jollies from shocking those people. 911 exists for emergencies. For people who are in immediate danger. This was not an emergency and you were not in immediate danger. Make a habit of calling them every time you get some crazy email, and God forbid you ever truly need them, they might think that you have cried "wolf" too many times and take their sweet time coming to your rescue. What people have attempted to point out to you is that you need to gain a little perspective. That is not to say that you should have completely ignored the email. It does mean that you report the person who sent you the email to the site, and that you block him from emailing you further. You made a point of saying "I reported his email to the website but it says 'after so many reports, we'll do something about it." Do you think that you are the only one he emailed and therefore, the moderators wouldn't be doing anything? Perspective. If he sent you the email, he probably sent the identical or similar emails to a whole bunch of other people, who in turn also reported him. Yes, the proper authorities would be the FBI. But the liklihood of them jumping on it and going to question him from one email he sent anonymously to someone a couple of thousand miles away is pretty slim, unless they happen to have a case where that email matches a profile. Even then, the chances of your report of one little email "breaking the case wide open" is also slim. By the way, stating that he "wants" to do something is not the same thing as "threatening" to do something. If you want to be treated as an adult and taken seriously, then you need to act like an adult. thepillowdreamer, I'm not quite sure how you came into the position after being on this site for a couple of weeks to speak for the entire community by saying "we are glad you brought this to the forum's attention," or how in that short period of time you reached the conclusion that there are "a lot of dangerous people on this site." Those are some pretty presumptious statements and conclusions to reach in a mere two weeks.

LafayetteLady -> RE: 911 won't help, but this guy wants to murder women (3/9/2010 11:48:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Elisabella quote: ORIGINAL: thepillowdreamer some people abuse their freedom of speech, unfortunately, but it's something we can't afford to lose even in the name of personal safety. ...i feel like a rant about national security should be attached to this. sorry. gettin' all preachy. For the record, freedom of speech does not include threats of violence. Now it can be argued that what the person wrote in his email wasn't a direct threat of violence, but it can also be argued that if the words were directed toward a submissive woman they are. Compare to "I think that as a white person it's my right to kill black people by bashing their heads against the wall" - that's a bit more obvious because it's based on race rather than sexual orientation, but sexual orientation is also covered in hate crime laws, and telling a person that you feel you have the right to kill the group of people that the person you're talking to belongs to could easily be construed as a threat. Elisabella, Being submissive is a character trait, not a sexual orientation, and a random anonymous email would not "easily" be construed as a threat. It wouldn't even qualify as harassment as there was only one email. Also a KKK member could (and probably has) made the statement you made above and it would not be enough for the authorities to even write them a ticket. Especially if written in an email, regardless of whether or not it was sent to someone who was black. Their statement would only be useful if the act of violence was actually committed as evidence of pre-meditation.

thepillowdreamer -> RE: 911 won't help, but this guy wants to murder women (3/10/2010 12:43:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Elisabella For the record, freedom of speech does not include threats of violence. very true. i'm conflicted, though. i really wanna side with the op, and like probably most of you too, i am in the sense that messages like that just fucking suck. they're scary and nobody likes being told that they (or someone in their demographic) would be fun to violently murder. but i don't know if it was a direct threat or just one of those obnoxious and random fantasy messages that lurk in our inboxes sometimes. at best it was an awful form of harassment, and at worst either a threat to the op specifically (god forbid) or a sign of a sociopath who would really go through with it (god forbid). it's just all sorts of complicated, and i'm so tempted to slap a big tl;dr you're gonna be okay it was just a worthless creep getting off on your fear label on this and forget. buuut it's not that easy. yarg. this whole thread is just... gross and sad. quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady I'm not quite sure how you came into the position after being on this site for a couple of weeks to speak for the entire community by saying "we are glad you brought this to the forum's attention," i don't like to make assumptions. that said, i still like to think if a member feels threatened then they can come to the community. i'm of the belief that we need to foster behavior like that, even if it just means providing a sounding board. quote: or how in that short period of time you reached the conclusion that there are "a lot of dangerous people on this site." there's a lot of wonderful people here, too. the majority, maybe just tolerable or average. since there are so many members though, the law of averages would suggest that there would be a good number of predatory ones, too. quote: Those are some pretty presumptious statements and conclusions to reach in a mere two weeks. i don't think i'm being presumptuous at all. i'll be the first in line to admit i've fucked up or mangled the wording of something beyond redemption, but i'm just not feeling it now. as for how long i've been here: through different profiles, deactivated due to school or illness or tl;dr real life shit, i've been on this site since i was 18. i'm 23 now. aside from the occasional and very unassuming "hi, welcome to the site" or "ooh, that's shiny/interesting" post, i kept to myself. this time around, i'm at a point in my life where i feel bolder and more outgoing. i'm visiting the forums a whole lot more and i'm voicing my opinion- something i wouldn't do before. the thing about that though is that during my "shy observation" phase, i got to know the site and that being told you're not justified to have an opinion because you're new doesn't really amount to much. so, yeah. there's that.

LafayetteLady -> RE: 911 won't help, but this guy wants to murder women (3/10/2010 1:16:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thepillowdreamer i don't like to make assumptions. that said, i still like to think if a member feels threatened then they can come to the community. i'm of the belief that we need to foster behavior like that, even if it just means providing a sounding board. Had there been an actual "threat" I would certainly agree. And had the OP simply stated what had happened, that she had reported it to the site and wondered whether or not anyone thought something else should be done, I would have responded differently. But one anonymous email from someone 2000 miles away and her first response is to dial 911? That is overreacting or there is more to the story that has been left out. But at face value, it is not a "call 911, I think my life is in danger" kind of thing. quote: there's a lot of wonderful people here, too. the majority, maybe just tolerable or average. since there are so many members though, the law of averages would suggest that there would be a good number of predatory ones, too. Actually, I would say that there aren't "a lot" of "predators" on this site. Are there a lot of "whack jobs?" yep. A lot of people who have their head up their ass living in a fantasy world? Yep. A lot of people here simply looking for material to masturbate too? Definately. But actual predators, people who are seriously looking to do harm to others? The number is likely a lot smaller than people might think (excluding the scammers). quote: the thing about that though is that during my "shy observation" phase, i got to know the site and that being told you're not justified to have an opinion because you're new doesn't really amount to much. so, yeah. there's that. I'm not among those that believe that new people shouldn't have an opinion, and there are a couple of "newbies" around here that would likely attest to that fact. I'm not clear whether you are referring to my comments regarding the OP's opinion about the danger of her email or my comments to you about speaking for the entire community and there being a lot of dangerous people here. However, if it is about the OP's opinion, I believe she is seriously over reacting to the incident in question, and yes I believe it is because she is new to the site and has not yet had the "joy" of receiving all kinds or weird emails yet. If it is about the comments you made, while I understand that in your 5 years here you may have had several different accounts, and not been a regular poster, speaking in terms of "we" as a community would be out of line for anyone, including someone who has been a regular poster for quite some time. The comment about there being a lot of dangerous people here.....well, that may be your opinion, but I daresay you would have a difficult time backing it up. I would guesstimate that on the entire site, finding 1% of the members to be actually dangerous (again, excluding the scammers) might be a high guess. I will concede that there is likely a large number of jerks, but jerks are just annoying, not dangerous.

thepillowdreamer -> RE: 911 won't help, but this guy wants to murder women (3/10/2010 1:59:12 AM)
quote: Had there been an actual "threat" I would certainly agree. quote: you don't strike me as cruel, so i'm prone to believe that. i also agree that there was a lot unsaid about the message, but the op was understandably freaked out and sometimes when you're freaked out, venting helps. i think that applies to what you said about her being over what the creep said, too. quote: Actually, I would say that there aren't "a lot" of "predators" on this site. i'm not defacing the site. i've met a lot of cool people here who've become rl friends. that said, there's a whole mess of users here. predators are in the minority, but when there's a clusterfuck of users there will still be a pretty good number of them. again: law of averages. quote: If it is about the comments you made, while I understand that in your 5 years here you may have had several different accounts, and not been a regular poster, speaking in terms of "we" as a community would be out of line for anyone, including someone who has been a regular poster for quite some time. i'm prone to disagree on the grounds that i think you're taking my words too much to heart. "we" is easier to post than "myself and possibly other members too but i can't be sure". i don't expect everybody to agree with me, but i do expect some. quote: finding 1% of the members to be actually dangerous (again, excluding the scammers) might be a high guess i can't stress enough how much i'm not attacking the site or community when i say shit like that, but i'm still backing my opinion. the majority of people here, the vast, vast majority, aren't dangerous. but. with so many people anywhere, there's going to be plenty of wolves sniffing out lambs. i respect your opinion because you're giving it to me respectfully and thoughtfully, but i'd still rather agree to disagree. like you more or less said: it's a matter of opinion. game?

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