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What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/10/2010 6:33:24 PM   
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 Should You Be Afraid of Airport Body Scans? Or Just the TSA?
BY Kit EatonTue Mar 9, 2010


I foresee a lot of women singled out for processing, and a lot of voyeurs applying for positions with the TSA ...

How would you like to see your "full body scan" leaked to the internet?

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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/10/2010 6:45:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I dunno.  Maybe the women operators will take bets on the male's endowment .

Are the systems actually connected to the Internet, or just to an intranet?  I've not seen details on how stuff would be leaked, per se; by USB stick?

The radiation from the backscatter systems is equivalent to standing in Denver for 5 minutes, and is much less by far than what you get simply from flying. Millimeter-wave RF does not penetrate the body due to skin effect, which is why you can't find objects in someone's anus or cootchiesnorter.


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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/10/2010 6:46:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh, that is just wrong! And what happened to the good ol' days before metal detectors and hand-held scanners, when men were Men and put their husky hands all over you to "search for stuff"! I'm NEVER gonna get that fantasy fulfilled, am I???

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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/10/2010 6:57:19 PM   
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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/10/2010 7:11:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's now been proven that these scanners are both ineffectual and invasive. The people that manufacture them have long arms, though, and have dug deep into the policy makers' pockets.

They're disgusting: imagine putting children through these things, let alone adults.

A definite, resounding "no".

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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/10/2010 7:17:53 PM   
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These machines leak out - radiation-  which can cause cancer.   But irregardless- these will go into airports- malls- shopping - anywhere that they need security.

they also will keep a permanent pic of the subject- - and store it forever-

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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/10/2010 7:34:19 PM   
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Oh, that is just wrong! And what happened to the good ol' days before metal detectors and hand-held scanners, when men were Men and put their husky hands all over you to "search for stuff"! I'm NEVER gonna get that fantasy fulfilled, am I???


I operate a private frisking service. Even make house calls!

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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/10/2010 7:37:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Frankly, I'd rather be frisked by a butchy dyke (like I was, aged eight, on my way to Turkey... via Bulgaria. On Balkan Airlines. Those were the days ) rather than be scanned by one of those ungodly machines.

I hope many individuals stand up against them.

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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/10/2010 7:44:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		personally I don't have a problem with them if it means I won't crash and burn when flying. If someone wants to leak this old body's image to the internet, so be it. I highly doubt they'd get much attention from it lol.

I don't see how it can be done though unless there's some connection to the internet. If they're anything like the detectors where I work when people's belongings are scanned, it's just a connection to a screen but there's no internet connection, no drive or anything like that..just an xray type of image that is seen on the screen for a few moments.

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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/10/2010 7:48:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, but that's just the thing... they're not effective at helping in detecting explosives when they've been... how to put this... stuffed inside the body.

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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/10/2010 8:10:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've never been hand frisked. Always asked to step into a booth and remove outerwear by someone of the same sex. My mother, sister and I all got called into one booth. The lady at El Al didn't believe we really were stacked as much as we are.

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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/10/2010 9:42:18 PM   
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It's now been proven that these scanners are both ineffectual and invasive. The people that manufacture them have long arms, though, and have dug deep into the policy makers' pockets.

They're disgusting: imagine putting children through these things, let alone adults.

A definite, resounding "no".


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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/10/2010 9:48:48 PM   
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Yeah, but that's just the thing... they're not effective at helping in detecting explosives when they've been... how to put this... stuffed inside the body.

True, but this was never a selling point or an ability claimed by the devices, so I'm not seeing the relevance. Being unable to detect "stuffing" doesn't necessarily render the technology a "turkey." I actually think a claim that such scans don't provide at least some additional security beyond what's presently in place is difficult to support. Is there anything in particular you read or saw that led to your use of the "ineffectual" label?

The cost, in terms of both invasiveness and monetary expense, versus the security benefit is far more debatable. Of course, what constitutes invasiveness is a bit subjective. You certainly aren't alone in being more comfortable with a pat down, but that actually seems to be a decidedly minority view. If you would care to elaborate any, I would be interested in knowing why you hold such a strong opinion. Are there any measures that could be taken to make the technology less "disgusting" to you? Or is it simply irredeemably unconscionable?

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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/10/2010 10:04:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		My kid uses some kind of camera thing to take pictures off the tv.  Not with any cable.

My neighbor has a cell phone that can take pix. 

I've worked with people who, make no mistake, would take nakie pix using one of these things if they had the opportunity.  I doubt if malls put this in that there wouldn't be abuses.

Maybe I'm just too completely ignorant about technology to make a comment, but still...I wonder about this.  <plans to make a lead lined space suit for shopping, lol>

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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/10/2010 10:21:30 PM   
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personally I don't have a problem with them if it means I won't crash and burn when flying.


The trouble is, it doesn't. What it does is spend hundreds of millions of dollars that could be spent on real security measures, in order to give the illusion that they're doing something effective. This whole thing became an urgent issue because of the Christmas bomber, and even the TSA admits that these scanners would never gave detected the bomb he was wearing. Yet they're using that incident as an example of why it's so urgent that we buy carloads of these damned things and install them everywhere as soon as possible, so that we'll be safe from something that they never would have protected against in the first place. Doesn't anyone see the idiocy of this?


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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/10/2010 10:41:29 PM   
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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/10/2010 11:27:31 PM   
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The trouble is, it doesn't. What it does is spend hundreds of millions of dollars that could be spent on real security measures, in order to give the illusion that they're doing something effective. This whole thing became an urgent issue because of the Christmas bomber, and even the TSA admits that these scanners would never gave detected the bomb he was wearing. Yet they're using that incident as an example of why it's so urgent that we buy carloads of these damned things and install them everywhere as soon as possible, so that we'll be safe from something that they never would have protected against in the first place. Doesn't anyone see the idiocy of this?


Other than it likely being a part of their agenda from way back when?

Yet we have how many illegal aliens crossing over the border each year? Gee... it's a good thing none of them could be carrying a WMD...

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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/10/2010 11:32:31 PM   
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Article: 

 Should You Be Afraid of Airport Body Scans? Or Just the TSA?
BY Kit EatonTue Mar 9, 2010


I foresee a lot of women singled out for processing, and a lot of voyeurs applying for positions with the TSA ...

How would you like to see your "full body scan" leaked to the internet?

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At some point they will start selling the pics. Celebrity scans will be leaked. Hell the way some of these celebs minds are they might leak then themselves. Then celebs will likely be privately scanned or not at all.

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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/10/2010 11:37:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

It's now been proven that these scanners are both ineffectual and invasive. The people that manufacture them have long arms, though, and have dug deep into the policy makers' pockets.

They're disgusting: imagine putting children through these things, let alone adults.

A definite, resounding "no".


I think technically this would break kiddie laws. I don't see how it can't. I have heard that terrorist might be buying these themselves to find ways around them. Did old crotch bomber go thru one of these?

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RE: What TSA can do with full body scanners ... - 3/10/2010 11:44:24 PM   
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