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cuckyman -> RE: Glenn Beck Claims that Jesus Christ Opposed Social Justice (3/12/2010 8:47:31 AM)

Jefferson never advocated the confiscation of private property.... however twisted you spin the words.... and regardless of the wealth of people in this land, that simply does NOT belong to you or this government.... it belongs to those that earned it or inherited it from someone who did make it....  There is NO guarentee in any documents that says 'the government will take care of you'..... it ain't going to happen sweetpea..... just that simple...and Obama is going down and taking your socialist trash with him..... deal with it.....if you want something...get off your socialist ass and work for it....I did.....




Musicmystery -> RE: Glenn Beck Claims that Jesus Christ Opposed Social Justice (3/12/2010 8:49:49 AM)

Now there's a spin right there.

Not only did I never claim that, I also have clearly got off my ass and worked for it.

Any actual points to address? Or just more attitude?

http://www.experienceqatar.com/




cuckyman -> RE: Glenn Beck Claims that Jesus Christ Opposed Social Justice (3/12/2010 8:51:39 AM)

as they say down at the firehall...."Fuck YOU!"...nuff said....




Musicmystery -> RE: Glenn Beck Claims that Jesus Christ Opposed Social Justice (3/12/2010 8:52:26 AM)

Guess that's the end of the logic in that argument.

Why am I not surprised.




cuckyman -> RE: Glenn Beck Claims that Jesus Christ Opposed Social Justice (3/12/2010 8:53:25 AM)

As with most hardworking, freedom loving people, we are just fed up with the malcontents on the left.... and the 'attitude' is about to boil over.... hide and watch kimosabe'...




Musicmystery -> RE: Glenn Beck Claims that Jesus Christ Opposed Social Justice (3/12/2010 8:54:47 AM)

The "malcontents," as present company shows, appear to be on the right.




rulemylife -> RE: Glenn Beck Claims that Jesus Christ Opposed Social Justice (3/12/2010 9:07:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cuckyman

Take a look at the poll numbers numbnuts....go out and actually talk to people outside of your little circle of idiots and you will discover that a vast majority of people are running out of patience with loud mouth, know it all turds that think they are 'owed' something by taking from others..... Our nation is founded on LIBERTY...and that means freedom from a confiscatory government run out of control with lame assholes like you that claim 'social justice'..... what social justice?.... to change the nation to be as you and your ilk want?....by what right?.... Where is it that you think you can take what is not yours?.... Well bud, I have news for you.... even if it takes Nullification, a big chunk of this land is armed, and ready to show you that you will NEVER succeed in your twisted little idiology..... we WILL prevail and you will be left in the dustbin of stupidity that you so richly deserve.... so read em or not..... try imagining how you and that idot Obama think you can cram this shit down our throats and not draw back a bloody stump where your brain once was..... We will FIGHT you with any means and by ALL means...and that means open armed conflict.... there is an old saying that simply says,  "Don't mess with Texas"...and that applies all over the middle of this land, ...we have fought for our freedoms from idiots like you....and we will again if needed..... and that includes all who love the rights of economic and individual liberties that is the only glue that holds this nation together..... try taking that away by whatever means and you will find yourselves as the hunted.... and Obama won't be able to save your ignorant ass.... You are nothing more than a socialist fool.....!


Still haven't figured out that paragraph thing, huh?

By the way, I thought I was numbnuts.

I just can't trust you anymore, you just say that to all the liberals! 




thornhappy -> RE: Glenn Beck Claims that Jesus Christ Opposed Social Justice (3/12/2010 9:29:03 AM)

Oh, go piss up a rope.  If you're so pissed off about our country, why don't you leave for some desert island where there is no government at all.

We're not talking about the government's role in "social justice"; we're talking about Beck's declaration that you should leave your CHURCH if you hear "social justice" mentioned.  And as it's been noted, it's hard to find any religion based on the Hebrew or Christian Bible, or Quran, that doesn't speak of social justice.
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ORIGINAL: cuckyman

Where is it that you find this term 'social justice' as a reguirement in our constitution?....where did it come from?.... could it be that you and your little communist friends use this term as your 'manisfesto' to villify anyone who gets off their asses and makes a good living and not hand the fruits of their efforts over to losers like you who want something for nothing?.... I think that is EXACTLY what  you and the ilk like you beat you lame ass socialist/communist drums about daily.... Well numbnuts, that is what starts wars, and if you and the turds like you want something from others that you HAVE NO RIGHT TO GET,  I suggest you arm yourselves and go take it.... but with that comes the FACT that we who value economic FREEDOM (which is the purpose of our country in the first place), will be happy to blow you and your little band of commie idiots away..... as a matter of fact, you can COUNT on it.... You will fall flat on your little communist ass's and the country will go on.... only without the nagging of misguided, brainwashed idiots like you and the left wing pukes that just don't get the concept of freedom.... but one day you will get the memo....and although you won't like it.... you will either get with the program, or get the fuck out of this land....  I for one think its time to round up our little Marxist pukes and provide some 'transportation' to Cuba or some other socialist mecca (oh wait!...that's right!...they don't want your lame ass either!)...  either way, you are wearing  out your welcome here, and the people are about to give you and yours a lesson in "..If you don't like America..... then fucking LEAVE!".... This is NOT your country to do with as you choose asshole.... and we will prove it to you real soon.....count on it!




thornhappy -> RE: Glenn Beck Claims that Jesus Christ Opposed Social Justice (3/12/2010 9:32:41 AM)

Dude, you're 63.  Are you going to sign up for that evil, confiscatory Medicare program?  How about Social Security?  Take advantage of the VA or Tricare?

Funny that you mention inheriting money, since even folks like Gates and Buffett are against repealing inheritance taxes.
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ORIGINAL: cuckyman

Jefferson never advocated the confiscation of private property.... however twisted you spin the words.... and regardless of the wealth of people in this land, that simply does NOT belong to you or this government.... it belongs to those that earned it or inherited it from someone who did make it....  There is NO guarentee in any documents that says 'the government will take care of you'..... it ain't going to happen sweetpea..... just that simple...and Obama is going down and taking your socialist trash with him..... deal with it.....if you want something...get off your socialist ass and work for it....I did.....




FirmhandKY -> RE: Glenn Beck Claims that Jesus Christ Opposed Social Justice (3/12/2010 10:48:53 AM)

FR:

It's amazing (well, no, not really) that all the "burn Glen Beck" fail to read, or fail to give any notice to what he actual said (according to the OP, anyway):

Nowhere does Jesus say hey, if somebody asks for your shirt, give your coat to the government, and have the government give them a pair of slacks. That’s not what Jesus was saying. You want to help out. You help out. It changes you. That’s what the gospel is all about. You, you change it, not having the government dictate.
Let me translate:

If you wish to help the poor, you should do so, and it's encouraged.  There isn't anything in the words of Jesus about fulfilling your personal, moral obligation for charity by passing the responsibility on to the government.

Firm




truckinslave -> RE: Glenn Beck Claims that Jesus Christ Opposed Social Justice (3/12/2010 11:19:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

FR:

It's amazing (well, no, not really) that all the "burn Glen Beck" fail to read, or fail to give any notice to what he actual said (according to the OP, anyway):

Nowhere does Jesus say hey, if somebody asks for your shirt, give your coat to the government, and have the government give them a pair of slacks. That’s not what Jesus was saying. You want to help out. You help out. It changes you. That’s what the gospel is all about. You, you change it, not having the government dictate.
Let me translate:

If you wish to help the poor, you should do so, and it's encouraged.  There isn't anything in the words of Jesus about fulfilling your personal, moral obligation for charity by passing the responsibility on to the government.

Firm



May I add:

There isn't anything in the words of Jesus giving you a right to anything, specifically including the property of another.




mnottertail -> RE: Glenn Beck Claims that Jesus Christ Opposed Social Justice (3/12/2010 11:21:14 AM)

Therefore render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto god that which is god's.

JC




thornhappy -> RE: Glenn Beck Claims that Jesus Christ Opposed Social Justice (3/12/2010 11:39:41 AM)

If that were the only thing he said, you might have a point.  If you took it completely out of context with any of Jesus' actions as depicted in the synoptic Gospels, maybe.  If you take it in context, I don't think it's as clear.  One of the reasons we have federal assistance programs is that states were incapable of meeting the need during the Great Depression.  Would Jesus stand up with Glenn Beck and go "Hey!  You should donate locally, even though it won't be enough!  Because government aid is confiscatory!"

The real thing that people are foot stomping is the injunction to leave your church if you hear the magic words.  I think that's why you're hearing complaints across the religious spectrum - how often do you hear Mormons, Catholics, Evangelicals and folks in between agree with each other?




MotownSingleGuy -> RE: Glenn Beck Claims that Jesus Christ Opposed Social Justice (3/12/2010 11:41:03 AM)

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ThatDamnedPanda
Doesn't seem to have a very clear understanding of Jesus, either. I'd say he's 0 for 2.

Glenn Beck is zero for a lot more than two.


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pahunkboy
Jesus threw the money changers OUT of the temple.
Did we?

Moneychangers own and operate the temples nowadays.


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truckinslave
My personal belief is that Christ might well advise us to "Let the politicians discuss politics".

Religion IS politics nowadays, and vice-versa.


"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist."
–Dom Helder Camara, Brazilian archbishop




Musicmystery -> RE: Glenn Beck Claims that Jesus Christ Opposed Social Justice (3/12/2010 11:41:51 AM)

quote:

Let me translate:

If you wish to help the poor, you should do so, and it's encouraged. There isn't anything in the words of Jesus about fulfilling your personal, moral obligation for charity by passing the responsibility on to the government.


Firm


Nor any implicit reason to OPPOSE such solutions.

Remember, we still choose whom to represent us and what we wish them to do for us jointly.

Solving social problems seems reasonable.




slvemike4u -> RE: Glenn Beck Claims that Jesus Christ Opposed Social Justice (3/12/2010 12:03:36 PM)

Are there any other denizens of these pages who would love to know Cucky's real name?......I mean sooner or later we have to run across a news story regarding this loon finally slipping his last gear and doing something stooopid.
Does anyone know if he owns a small plane?




Apocalypso -> RE: Glenn Beck Claims that Jesus Christ Opposed Social Justice (3/12/2010 12:17:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
If you wish to help the poor, you should do so, and it's encouraged.  There isn't anything in the words of Jesus about fulfilling your personal, moral obligation for charity by passing the responsibility on to the government.
Ezikiel 16:49 specifically refers to collective charity, not individual acts.

Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.




FirmhandKY -> RE: Glenn Beck Claims that Jesus Christ Opposed Social Justice (3/12/2010 12:23:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Apocalypso

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
If you wish to help the poor, you should do so, and it's encouraged.  There isn't anything in the words of Jesus about fulfilling your personal, moral obligation for charity by passing the responsibility on to the government.
Ezikiel 16:49 specifically refers to collective charity, not individual acts.

Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.


You'll have to expound on your point, as I don't get it.

Firm




pahunkboy -> RE: Glenn Beck Claims that Jesus Christ Opposed Social Justice (3/12/2010 12:31:21 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: cuckyman

Take a look at the poll numbers numbnuts....go out and actually talk to people outside of your little circle of idiots and you will discover that a vast majority of people are running out of patience with loud mouth, know it all turds that think they are 'owed' something by taking from others..... Our nation is founded on LIBERTY...and that means freedom from a confiscatory government run out of control with lame assholes like you that claim 'social justice'..... what social justice?.... to change the nation to be as you and your ilk want?....by what right?.... Where is it that you think you can take what is not yours?.... Well bud, I have news for you.... even if it takes Nullification, a big chunk of this land is armed, and ready to show you that you will NEVER succeed in your twisted little idiology..... we WILL prevail and you will be left in the dustbin of stupidity that you so richly deserve.... so read em or not..... try imagining how you and that idot Obama think you can cram this shit down our throats and not draw back a bloody stump where your brain once was..... We will FIGHT you with any means and by ALL means...and that means open armed conflict.... there is an old saying that simply says,  "Don't mess with Texas"...and that applies all over the middle of this land, ...we have fought for our freedoms from idiots like you....and we will again if needed..... and that includes all who love the rights of economic and individual liberties that is the only glue that holds this nation together..... try taking that away by whatever means and you will find yourselves as the hunted.... and Obama won't be able to save your ignorant ass.... You are nothing more than a socialist fool.....!


I agree.  It is about time for the common folk to be HEARD.

Send the monitorists back the England.




pahunkboy -> RE: Glenn Beck Claims that Jesus Christ Opposed Social Justice (3/12/2010 12:32:51 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Are there any other denizens of these pages who would love to know Cucky's real name?......I mean sooner or later we have to run across a news story regarding this loon finally slipping his last gear and doing something stooopid.
Does anyone know if he owns a small plane?


He just wants to be heard.




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