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RE: Please welcome Sanity to the Center! - 3/13/2010 9:57:38 AM   
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Thousands, julia. I know thousands of them. Literally.

You are describing a few students, not the norm.


So if you are a professor you are telling me that 1000s of them complain to you, few earned or merited being where they are...

I pity you, sounds like the school you teach at sucks balls, this is not the case where I go to school, although our undergrads in my department are pretty special people



If you are going to make up positions julia, there's not much point in a discussion.

Surely you're capable of ascertaining what was actually claimed vs. your rhetorical exaggeration and distortion.

Things may be different at Saintly University. Here, we take what we're handed and set about preparing them for the real world. And, with first year students especially, that can be a bumpy ride for some.




You do not want to discuss with me, no skin off my nose...

I am sure your world will remain just as sour as ever, it is easy to find flaws when one is looking for them.. I bet you might find the world far more lovely if you focused on students who are prepared despite serious distractions...

What we focus on is what we see after all.


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RE: Please welcome Sanity to the Center! - 3/13/2010 10:00:11 AM   
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*I don't think its a liberal problem or a public school problem---or just one problem. But this came out of a discussion of the self-esteem movement, a philosophy that sounds great but is flawed for a number of reasons, psychologically and in practice.


You stated in your response to treasure that it was a liberal school entitlement problem.. now who is really backpedalling here?


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RE: Please welcome Sanity to the Center! - 3/13/2010 10:09:01 AM   
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You stated in your response to treasure that it was a liberal school entitlement problem

No, julia, I didn't. Just the opposite. See?


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I am sure your world will remain just as sour as ever, it is easy to find flaws when one is looking for them.. I bet you might find the world far more lovely if you focused on students who are prepared despite serious distractions...

Again, you're inventing positions and seeing what you want to see.

I've already addressed this. Twice now, I think. Sure, I see plenty of well-prepared students. And I'm not "sour" about the "flaws." I teach them and turn things around. That's what teaching is, julia--not just talking to the ones already fine.

I'm interested in results. In fact, that's why I was recruited, and that's how I prepare these students for life after college.

This has become about ego for you. So you've moved to insults. If you want to argue further, take it to cmail.

If you want to discuss education, please start a separate thread for that purpose.




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RE: Please welcome Sanity to the Center! - 3/13/2010 10:10:11 AM   
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I think that we are not reading all of each other's posts on this topic...

I posted a thread if you care to move it over there


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RE: Please welcome Sanity to the Center! - 3/13/2010 10:14:18 AM   
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Only insulting to those of you who constantly insult me and mine, julia.


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I was actually joking when I said that, I do not think he is an extremist...

I would not know if he can debate as he is insulting so I usually overlook his posts



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RE: Please welcome Sanity to the Center! - 3/13/2010 10:22:11 AM   
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Only insulting to those of you who constantly insult me and mine, julia.


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I was actually joking when I said that, I do not think he is an extremist...

I would not know if he can debate as he is insulting so I usually overlook his posts




Whatever you say Sanity... you are such a "victim".... oops... that's YOUR line.. and one that is very tiresome indeed


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RE: Please welcome Sanity to the Center! - 3/13/2010 10:29:52 AM   
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Take such personal back-and-forth to private email please.

I'm tired of posting on this thread.  If people really can't understand this is a protected zone because of the poor choice of OP and thread title, I'm going to start pulling posts and sending gold letters.  No further warnings.

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RE: Please welcome Sanity to the Center! - 3/13/2010 10:32:40 AM   
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Using FR:

I'm sure many of you have seen this before, but it may apply here:

http://politicalcompass.org/


I scored literally right at 0,0 on that thing. Was kinda suprised.


Here you go people, we have a man in the center!

And my guess is that he'll be notably left of Sanity...

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RE: Please welcome Sanity to the Center! - 3/13/2010 11:12:42 AM   
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I know it sounds strange, but sometimes people confuse what are traditional liberal and what are traditional views, thus incorrectly labeling themselves.

I read one rant about the horrible positions taken in the liberal media--and it cited specifically all conservative columnists, starting with George Will and moving on right.

http://writingtrue.blogspot.com/2007/08/liberal-conservative-are-you-sure.html

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RE: Please welcome Sanity to the Center! - 3/13/2010 11:18:41 AM   
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You would be wrong.





I don't trust that system though, a lot of those questions were poorly worded. It seemed cheaply done and noticeably skewed to me.


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ORIGINAL: Raiikun


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ORIGINAL: subfever

Using FR:

I'm sure many of you have seen this before, but it may apply here:

http://politicalcompass.org/


I scored literally right at 0,0 on that thing. Was kinda suprised.


Here you go people, we have a man in the center!

And my guess is that he'll be notably left of Sanity...



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RE: Please welcome Sanity to the Center! - 3/13/2010 11:34:09 AM   
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Here is a fun little test that'll tell you which way you lean....provided you answer honestly.

http://www.theadvocates.org/quizp/index.html 

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RE: Please welcome Sanity to the Center! - 3/13/2010 11:38:51 AM   
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Here's the thing--the assessments at the end of the scoring contradict my answers on the same issues.

Hmmm.

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RE: Please welcome Sanity to the Center! - 3/13/2010 11:43:06 AM   
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You would be wrong.





I don't trust that system though, a lot of those questions were poorly worded. It seemed cheaply done and noticeably skewed to me.


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ORIGINAL: Raiikun


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ORIGINAL: subfever

Using FR:

I'm sure many of you have seen this before, but it may apply here:

http://politicalcompass.org/


I scored literally right at 0,0 on that thing. Was kinda suprised.


Here you go people, we have a man in the center!

And my guess is that he'll be notably left of Sanity...




You did not scroll down far enough to see your own score..... that is the first graph that comes up in explaining your score... your score is further down

Mine is:

Your political compass Economic Left/Right: -7.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.64

Meaning I am a left leaning libertarian... like Gandhi


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RE: Please welcome Sanity to the Center! - 3/13/2010 11:46:10 AM   
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Here is a fun little test that'll tell you which way you lean....provided you answer honestly.

http://www.theadvocates.org/quizp/index.html 


It is too short and the questions do not reflect some of the main differences between liberals and conservatives.

Butch



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RE: Please welcome Sanity to the Center! - 3/13/2010 11:57:37 AM   
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My bad, you're right. Here's mine... I thought something wasn't quite 'right'! 

Your political compass Economic Left/Right: 2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77

Edited to add, collarchat refuses to show the graph itself so here's a link to the page it can be found on:

http://politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=2.38&soc=-0.77






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RE: Please welcome Sanity to the Center! - 3/13/2010 12:07:53 PM   
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I don't consider myself conservative or liberal and I don't like to be constrained by ideology.  I like doing whatever works. They call it being pragmatic so instead of conservatism or liberalism, for me it's pragmatism = moderate. And when I say do whatever works I mean works for everybody - not just the rich. None of the ideologies works all the time in every situation. For instance, Republicans are obsessed with tax cuts and the private sector as a solution to every problem.
 
If you're pragmatic you’re moderate.  If Nixon can go to China then it's okay for anyone to be pragmatic or a moderate.
 
Pragmatism is a philosophical movement that includes those who claim that an ideology or proposition is true if it works satisfactorily, that the meaning of a proposition is to be found in the practical consequences of accepting it, and that unpractical ideas are to be rejected. Pragmatism, in William James' eyes, was that the truth of an idea needed to be tested to prove its validity. Pragmatism began in the late nineteenth century with Charles Sanders Peirce and his pragmatic maxim. Through the early twentieth-century it was developed further in the works of William James, John Dewey and—in a more unorthodox manner—by George Santayana. Other important aspects of pragmatism include anti-Cartesianism, radical empiricism, instrumentalism, anti-realism, verificationism, conceptual relativity, a denial of the fact-value distinction, a high regard for science, and fallibilism.

Inspiration for the pragmatists were:

Francis Bacon who coined the phrase "knowledge is power",
David Hume for his naturalistic account of knowledge and action,
Thomas Reid, for his direct realism,
Immanuel Kant, for his idealism and from whom Peirce derives the name "pragmatism",
Georg Hegel who introduced temporality into philosophy (Pinkard in Misak 2007), and
J.S. Mill for his nominalism and empiricism.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pragmatism  


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ORIGINAL: Sanity

I'm center-right, just like most of the rest of the U.S.


After post after post of Conservative views, Sanity has converted to middle America.

Please welcome him, and fill him in on the reigning moderate views.

In all seriousness---how do you characterize moderate views? What are these?

Let's get a list and a discussion going.

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RE: Please welcome Sanity to the Center! - 3/13/2010 12:27:57 PM   
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RE: Please welcome Sanity to the Center! - 3/13/2010 12:40:48 PM   
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That test says that I'm a Libertarian. Probably because I scored high on personal freedom issues.

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RE: Please welcome Sanity to the Center! - 3/13/2010 12:53:23 PM   
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On the other:

Economic Left/Right: -4.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.36

But on a lot of the questions, I was neither agree/disagree, so seems a flawed overview.

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RE: Please welcome Sanity to the Center! - 3/13/2010 1:01:46 PM   
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I scored literally right at 0,0 on that thing. Was kinda suprised.

I've taken that one before. But I was surprised the first time I saw my score too.

K.

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