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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Follow the thread back. I too recall seeing the poll, though I don't recall the specifics,  what the percentages were. But advocating the bombing of civilians, isn't that supposed to be a bad thing? Or are Muslims exempt from such moral judgment because it only applies to Westerners for some unknowable reason.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
[Were those 72% being honest, or were they appropriately worried that if they said they were true to the teachings of Mohammad they would then become pariahs.

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It is alright for Muslims to lie to nonbelievers to further the cause of Islam, after all.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

28% of your Muslims, if I remember the poll correctly, expressed sympathy/agreement with your own subway bombers.

I have talked to those I know. Which has nothing to do with the aspirations of hegemony held by Imams the world over.

So that means 72% didnt.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Arbitration panels are nothing new in the UK, as well as civil courts working alongside criminal courts. There was much made of this at the time the article was published, 18 months ago. Criminal courts have not been superceded by Sharia courts. Muslims are subject to the same laws as anyone else.

As for Muslims taking over the world, Cheney and Bush did a great job scaring you didnt they.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Polite, you keep thinking that! Then someday they'll come for you.

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Do the projections. Read the history.

Your culture, your very nation, are slipping away, and to a violent end if history is a guide (and if it isn't, what is?).

Your grand-daughters will wear burkhas. But it doesn't matter, because you know a couple of the progenitors of their rulers, and they're just really swell.

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Do the projections. Read the history.

Your culture, your very nation, are slipping away, and to a violent end if history is a guide (and if it isn't, what is?).

Your grand-daughters will wear burkhas. But it doesn't matter, because you know a couple of the progenitors of their rulers, and they're just really swell.

Yourself and Popeye are grossly delusional. Most Brits are more worried about the EU than Muslims.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Follow the thread back. I too recall seeing the poll, though I don't recall the specifics,  what the percentages were. But advocating the bombing of civilians, isn't that supposed to be a bad thing? Or are Muslims exempt from such moral judgment because it only applies to Westerners for some unknowable reason.

So you saw the poll truckinslave saw too, but you can't provide a source for it either.
And if the American military is exempt from moral censure for bombing civilians, I don't see why Hamas and the Pakistani psychopaths in Afghanistan shouldn't be able to expect the same courtesy.

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Al-Tabari's (d. 923) famous tafsir (exegesis of the Koran) is a standard and authoritative reference work in the entire Muslim world. Regarding 3:28, he writes: "If you [Muslims] are under their [infidels'] authority, fearing for yourselves, behave loyally to them, with your tongue, while harboring inner animosity for them. … Allah has forbidden believers from being friendly or on intimate terms with the infidels in place of believers — except when infidels are above them [in authority]. In such a scenario, let them act friendly towards them." Regarding 3:28, Ibn Kathir (d. 1373, second in authority only to Tabari) writes, "Whoever at any time or place fears their [infidels'] evil may protect himself through outward show." As proof of this, he quotes Muhammad's close companion, Abu Darda, who said, "Let us smile to the face of some people [non-Muslims] while our hearts curse them"; another companion, al-Hassan, said, "Doing taqiyya is acceptable till the Day of Judgment [i.e., in perpetuity]. Source: "War and Peace - and Deceit - in Islam" by Raymond Ibrahim /Pajamas Media February 12, 2009


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Do the projections. Read the history.

Your culture, your very nation, are slipping away, and to a violent end if history is a guide (and if it isn't, what is?).

Your grand-daughters will wear burkhas. But it doesn't matter, because you know a couple of the progenitors of their rulers, and they're just really swell.

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

What is it with some people?

For one, with no evidence whatever to support it apart from raving wild eyed xenophobia, they claim that I'm at imminent risk from my neighbours, who are here not to raise a family and deliver me my Friday night takeaway, but as part of some plot to convert or kill me, which they convene presumably of a Friday afternoon at their not so secret HQ round the corner.

For two, with no experience whatever of Muslims, they ascribe every kind of evil to the lot of them on the strength of what a few nutters whom they disown and are ashamed of have done and said, equally ignoring that of all the people who live round me the Muslims are the only lot who dont cause trouble day and night.

For three, for some utterly unknown reason they believe that should any of their prophecies have the slightest chance of coming true and an attempt be made to forcibly convert the UK (or Europe for that matter) to Islam, that we would simply roll over and submit, ignoring that all in all we're the most vicious bastards on the planet, obstinate, proud and resistant. If Hitler couldnt do it, do they really think this lot have the slightest chance should they be so disposed?

And now, with no knowledge of the English civil law system they pronounce that sharia law threatens to overcome us because a bunch of Muslims are using a UK Act of Parliament to convene arbitration procedures between them according to their customs, under the law of England and thence the EU.

Mind you, I'm pretty well convinced that some people will only be happy when we have Nuremberg laws imposed, varying only in the objects of their ire and the particular symbol sewn on clothing.

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For decades, we have had our culture destroyed, not by immigrants you understand, but our own lot in the name of political correctness, we can't fly our flag with pride in case it offends someone

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and in some places we can't live as we wish just in case we offend an immigrant, these are our own people that stop and re educate us, to save offending the incomers. For example the Mecca betting business received flack for it's name, a name it has had for decades, another problem was a person who collected porcelain pigs and had them in her window, the council official told her to move them in case a Moslem walked past and was offended.

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Our culture, if indeed we actually had one has been eroded by our own people to save the sensibilities of others, as a result what we have now, is more foreign than what you might think, as it was, a few years back the national british favourite food was curry. On nights out, an evening after a few jars would not be complete without a kebab, where does that food originate I wonder, called a shwarma elsewhere.