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GraciousLady -> RE: Help...........Please (3/17/2010 10:09:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: domiguy

Your Dom is a complete pussy and you have a picture of your foot in your profile.

You deserve each other.

Your Dom loves the fucking drama. He is a douchebag. You chose him, you like dating douchebags.


Go fuck yourself.


You know, I would not have said it this way but I believe domiguy is right. your Master has no reason to put up with his ex's behaviour other than he wants to. you have obviously spoken to your Master about this and he has stated, in not so nice terms, that he will do as he pleases. I do not see this as a lifestyle issue. I see it as a relationship issue. The fact that your a slave has not one thing to do with the fact your Master (signifigant other) can't let go of his ex. I believe you will have to choose to stay and put up with it or leave if communications break down. Ultimatiums stop communication so you should not give them. Best of luck dealing with what is so obviously a painful and frustrating situation for you all.




Nslavu -> RE: Help...........Please (3/17/2010 10:18:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

I don't know why my professional experience makes my position a surprise to you. Perhaps you think that dealing only with the OP's issues is the way "professionals" handle it? In any case, dealing only with the OP's issues isn't going to resolve the problem. Only dealing with all three of them will manage to do that.


There is only one of the three here. Sorry, waste of time trying to get her to counsel the other two, when she herself is looking for counsel. No one else has asked for help, just her. clue.

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Just because someone is involved in a power dynamic it doesn't negate the fact that they are human beings involved in a relationship. Your personal view is to look at everything as "she is a slave, so shut the fuck up and deal with it." Then again, as Wyldhrt also pointed out, your needing to refer to women as "bitches" pretty much shows that you aren't really qualified to give any kind of opinion that has much merit here.


It is observation. A spade is a spade. Check the qualified definition for 'bitch'.

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These things do not play out as they do due to any sort of "power" issue. It is playing out as it is because the OP is in, what we are led to believe is a monogamous relationship with her partner and his behavior is making her feel like she is being put second. That isn't about "power," it is about respect.


Sorry, it is clearly about insecurity and how she deals with and manifests her feelings. Respect, not to mention self respect and adequate communication regarding her feelings is long gone by now. It is called "self" esteem for a reason, it's not 'how other people treat me esteem.' When you think other than self, it is clearly insecurity of esteem.

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Being a slave doesn't mean that "master" has the right to disrespect "slave." At least not if wishes to continue having said "slave," and said "slave" has any self esteem of her own. Once again, your comparison of the ex to inanimate objects screams of your inability to view this situation realistically.


Now you're putting words in my mouth. You do know what a metaphor is?

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Actually, any directive telling her "tough shit" you're nothing but a slave isn't valuable to anyone. It is saying "what you feel means nothing." Refer to Wyldhrt's comments regarding a boil.


Again putting words in mouth. You are obviously psychologically invested in something personal here and have lost focus, picking out words that 'erk' you and cause you to exagerate, and or overstate what I am saying. Straw man arguments are a waste of time.

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And she ISN'T happy. What part of that do you not understand? What part of her being unhappy is resolved by sucking his dick? Do you really believe that people are in love with "submission?" They are in love with their partner and love submitting to their partner. If it was purely about the submission, then they would submit to anyone.


No I think submission is love. Even a dom loves/submits to their nature and its requirements. Technically it is all submission. The polar dynamics are innate states of being. What we call submissive and Dom are merely polar choices of energy exchange. Being in love with submission as you suggest is like suffering over ones suffering. It's redundant and unnecessary; but some people like to layer it on. Go figure.

In romantic love, physical mind love, I think you are right, there is no submission to just anyone. Pure love= pure submission. Romantic love selects who they will be love/submission with, pure love does not. In fact pure love is so pure, it would accept death at the hand of someone who hated it and love the one who did it. Freaky. Try doing that in your next scene. Major trust.

No she isn't happy. Happiness is a state of mind, just like being a bitch is. So how do you be happy? By changing your state of mind, being a different state of mind. I'm not saying it's easy as you want to portray what I'm saying. The first step out of hell is turn around and head in another direction. She still wants him, so first step, stfu, get back to what makes it the best.


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Advising her to basically put up with bullshit is the worst advice I have ever seen. Perhaps what you don't like about us "switches" is that we have no problem telling you "dominants" to STFU and get a clue.


Again I didn't say that. *Clue* Out of context of my entire postings. Straw man arguments and over generalized responses are a waste of time.

Have a good day. Seriously.






SimplyMichael -> RE: Help...........Please (3/17/2010 11:17:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Nslavu

In fact pure love is so pure, it would accept death at the hand of someone who hated it and love the one who did it. Freaky. Try doing that in your next scene. Major trust.


Sounds more like "Major Bullshit" to me.




SimplyMichael -> RE: Help...........Please (3/17/2010 11:26:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Nslavu


We can put some blame on the master, certainly from info provided, still> Doesn't help her. Frankly I doubt he is a master. A master would have resolved this long ago, either by putting his ex in her place and moving on or by clearly informing his slave what her duties are when he is venting. Was he a master to his ex or was this a vanilla ex? Hmmmm. I could be wrong, but I don't see master anywhere in the OP, except for the word being used.

Can she make him a better master? Ya, but it means stfu and BE the best girl.



How utterly dysfunctional! You put the onus on him being masterful on her because he is only failing because she isn't submissive enough? Then you want to claim that a "real" master would have dealt with this crap. Which the fuck is it?




Nslavu -> RE: Help...........Please (3/17/2010 11:27:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael


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ORIGINAL: Nslavu

In fact pure love is so pure, it would accept death at the hand of someone who hated it and love the one who did it. Freaky. Try doing that in your next scene. Major trust.


Sounds more like "Major Bullshit" to me.


love love love. [:)]


The definition of love in Buddhism is: wanting others to be happy.
This love is unconditional and it requires a lot of courage and acceptance (including self-acceptance).
The "near enemy" of love, or a quality which appears similar, but is more an opposite is: conditional love (selfish love, see also the page on attachment).
The opposite is wanting others to be unhappy: anger, hatred.
A result which one needs to avoid is: attachment.

This definition means that 'love' in Buddhism refers to something quite different from the ordinary term of love which is usually about attachment, more or less successful relationships and sex; all of which are rarely without self-interest. Instead, in Buddhism it refers to de-tachment and the unselfish interest in others' welfare.

'Even offering three hundred bowls of food three times a day does not match the spiritual merit gained in one moment of love.'
Nagarjuna

"If there is love, there is hope that one may have real families, real brotherhood, real equanimity, real peace. If the love within your mind is lost and you see other beings as enemies, then no matter how much knowledge or education or material comfort you have, only suffering and confusion will ensue"
His Holiness the Dalai Lama from 'The little book of Buddhism'





NihilusZero -> RE: Help...........Please (3/17/2010 11:31:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

Yup, just wipe your brain, put on some makeup and blow him when he walks through the door. It won't change a damned thing, but he'll be happy as hell.

Just to point out...

It's the OP's Master's unhappiness that we are led to believe is the recurring problem.

So, technically, any advice that would leave him "happy as hell" would actually fix the downward spiral.




Nslavu -> RE: Help...........Please (3/17/2010 12:02:41 PM)

ad hominem appears yet again. \/


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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

How utterly dysfunctional! You put the onus on him being masterful on her because he is only failing because she isn't submissive enough? Then you want to claim that a "real" master would have dealt with this crap. Which the fuck is it?


The overuse of conjunctives in this post makes the question unclear.


I will say this. My advice works so well, (when people become emotionally invested in something that is of little value, except to win/lose, rather than discuss the subject matter), that I intend to use my own advice. (where you are concerned)

{edited for clarity}



[:)]









Nslavu -> RE: Help...........Please (3/17/2010 12:04:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

Yup, just wipe your brain, put on some makeup and blow him when he walks through the door. It won't change a damned thing, but he'll be happy as hell.

Just to point out...

It's the OP's Master's unhappiness that we are led to believe is the recurring problem.

So, technically, any advice that would leave him "happy as hell" would actually fix the downward spiral.




waaaaaa? Say it ain't so. [:D]




DesFIP -> RE: Help...........Please (3/17/2010 12:58:03 PM)

I've been with The Man nearly five years. He has a high school senior living with the ex as well as two college aged kids. Yet the ex is still calling him to argue almost every day. And yes, she still calls me names and all after all this time. He deals with it by telling her that he will discuss problems calmly but if she's going to bitch, he will hang up. And then he does it.

In all these years she has not developed a life, she has no friends or close confidants. She is still expecting him to fill that position for her despite them having been apart for so long. It's sad. And occasionally he does get upset and him ranting and raving upsets me, so until he calms down I go do something else in another room. I didn't sign on to be his whipping boy when someone else annoys him just as he doesn't beat the crap out of me because someone cut him off on the Thruway.

OP, tell him this bothers you and you can't take it anymore. Then walk away until he's calmer. If he comes home expecting to play but instead gets you so tense you can't take anything and have to call red immediately that's his problem. It isn't yours, so don't own it.




WyldHrt -> RE: Help...........Please (3/18/2010 2:34:46 AM)

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Because orientation sometimes affects my perception. What a drag huh?

For me? Not at all, since I tend to treat people as individuals rather than defining them by their sexual orientation. For you; yeah, I can see where it would be.
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When someone, anyone prefers to be a nag, then let em have their hell. Had you read the OP ad hominem you would see exactly what this slave has done. The ex may well be vindictive and mean, but so is the slave, maybe more so.

Actually, the slave's OP wasn't all that clear as to what, exactly, she has done other than communicating her concerns to her Master and recently delivering an ultimatum. Is she constantly nagging him? Maybe she is, and maybe she isn't.
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you can see by latest post that she monitored her Master, who knows how, checking his phone, maybe has some arrangement with his receptionist, I don't know and don't really care.

How do you know this? It sounds to me like she is stating things he told her before the ultimatum debacle. I seriously doubt that his receptionist or anyone else not in on the conversations knows how the calls he gets from the ex begin or end.
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I could see from the OP that clearly she was the bitch she was yakkin about (herself) and has been for 2 1/2 yrs. What the ex is is irrelavant, he dumped her already. The slave already won, 2 years ago. What need is there for the s to extend the battle she has already won? , though she may have lost now because she did as all the whiners suggested and keep on yammering

Bitch, yakkin, yammering. You've made your point of view quite clear here. Nice that you could tell right from the first post that the OP was a "bitch".
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Indeed. And as I have noted several times.. the M may well feed off that shit, if he does, its time to leave. Either way, someone STOPS picking at it.

He's rather obviously feeding off it in some form. As for leaving, I would have been gone long ago, but I'm not the OP.
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She wasn't happy because she couldn't, wouldn't see what she had already and or she is basically insecure when it comes to jealousy or whatever, I don't know, but defo insecure.. Instead she went behind his back and monitored him. We have no real information on him, only her whining perception. Is he a fuck? Seems that way. In the end, it's her garden, just like your garden, my garden, it is our own garden. If your garden yields more without some jerk in it, then you toss the jerk, if you want your garden to have said jerk in it then you learn what nurtures that jerk. (assuming her whining really means he is a jerk)

I certainly have no idea why she would be insecure, but it must be her fault, right? [8|] Sorry, but were I to make the mistakes that she has and get involved with someone who allowed his ex to cause issues between us with constant calls and such, I just might feel insecure, too.

I already addressed the "monitoring". You have no way to know that she did any such thing. As to her "whining", I'll add that to the bitch, yakking, yammering list.

As to gardens, I tend to pull the weeds, even if they have pretty flowers.
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By finding out what nurtures said jerk. She says she is an owned slave, he is master. All I have to go on whether I believe he is or not is irrelavant. She wants him as master, if thats the case then fucking learn how to make him grow. Simple.

If she does so, who is really in charge? Pavlovian conditioning doesn't only work on submissives/ slaves, you know. Then again, I'm not one to attempt making a silk purse from a sow's ear.
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Whats obvious is that there is an M/s operating in her eyes. People grow into who they are, become better at what they are, when nurtured. He is likely D to some degree near as I can tell from limited info. Anyone can grow, One's innate nature isn't always obvious. For some it takes something in their lives for them to realize they are sub, or slave or dominant. Imagine that! We don't hop out of mom a with a d or s stamp on us, much less know we'd like to take it further and grow as who we are. Really.

At the age of 52, and 2 1/2 years into a supposedly M/s relationship, I would hope that he would have a clue without her having to train him in the art of dominance. That said, shutting the fuck up and sucking his cock isn't likely to teach him much that he doesn't already know.
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What he is, isn't overtly obvious. I am not even sure she is a slave. I have said this a number of times. Read the OP ad hominem, you'll find she is talking about herself, pointing fingers outward, that really should be focused inward. That is where her garden is.

Her garden is likely in serious need of some Roundup. That said, she should have seen it coming, given her Dec '08 thread.
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Agreed. Unfortunately if she wants to stay and her OP clearly says "WHAT CAN I DO, if anything" (meaning help me stay, help me fix this), then stfu and be the best. stop harraning him, stop monitoring him, stop anything she does regarding the ex. If he feeds off this shit, he will eventually see it ain't there to feed off anymore. Take his silly 'jealousy toy' away from him and see how he reacts. No matter how you look at it and seriously if you don't see this, well ... here goes. For 2 1/2 yrs the bitching and crap hasn't changed a thing. It doesn't work, 2 1/2 yrs of proof, seriously, stfu, try it, she may like the results.

Again with the assumptions, but fine. If she truly wants to stay, she will. If he gets off on this shit (which he apparently does), her attempts to ignore it and become Stepford wife happy will result in nothing more than upping his game to get the reaction he wants.
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I see two of them in the OP... two major bitches and one guy who feeds off it. Just saying.

And yet, in one 'example', you referred to a "bitch" sucking your cock and licking your balls to make you happy.... yet she is still a "bitch". Nice.




WyldHrt -> RE: Help...........Please (3/18/2010 2:38:29 AM)

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Just to point out...
It's the OP's Master's unhappiness that we are led to believe is the recurring problem.
So, technically, any advice that would leave him "happy as hell" would actually fix the downward spiral.

My bad for forgetting to add "until his brain resets" to that sentence.





WyldHrt -> RE: Help...........Please (3/18/2010 2:40:11 AM)

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waaaaaa? Say it ain't so. [:D]

It ain't so. Happy? [8D]




DesFIP -> RE: Help...........Please (3/18/2010 4:45:03 AM)

I will say that nslavu has achieved a first. First time I've ever put a newish poster, less than 100 posts on block. Considering his obvious issues towards women, which he is applying without reason towards the op of this thread, his fantasies of ever having a happy relationship with a woman are unlikely to ever come true.




Nslavu -> RE: Help...........Please (3/18/2010 6:33:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

For me? Not at all, since I tend to treat people as individuals rather than defining them by their sexual orientation. For you; yeah, I can see where it would be.


What? what a bunch of trumped up nonsense. All these straw man arguments are attempts to disparage me, probably based on some buddy support crap, not arguments about the issue. There is no where I said I didn't like any 'sexual orientation'. I said 'switches drive me crazy'. (not good or bad) in regards to understanding their tack. For the record I disapprove of both misogyny and misandry. Unless I miss my guess it is a bdsm orientation, not a sexual one. I would hope you stop trying to trump up shadow issues that are not there. It tells me that you only have anger toward me and no real desire to discuss the issue at hand. Surely you can find the original issue and stay on topic rather than attempt to undermine cm newbies who disagree with your 'buddy'.

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I certainly have no idea why she would be insecure, but it must be her fault, right? [8|] Sorry, but were I to make the mistakes that she has and get involved with someone who allowed his ex to cause issues between us with constant calls and such, I just might feel insecure, too.


Yes I can see 'fault' is important to you. That happens with ppl who generally need to have win/lose arguments. It's A/v behavior. Putting the M at fault, or even the ex is of little value. Dealing with the person that is here right now is what has to be taken care of. She asked for help. You are equating my advice as anti-slave, maybe even aniti-female, when in reality its your need find a straw man argument solely to disparage me alone. They are all 'at fault', but they are not ALL here asking for advice. I did not choose the slave, she chose us to consult, so I'd thank you to stop characterizing my advice as anti-slave, sexist or whatever crap you are trying to create here. She is a slave, she is female and she was being a bitch.

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If she does so, who is really in charge? Pavlovian conditioning doesn't only work on submissives/ slaves, you know. Then again, I'm not one to attempt making a silk purse from a sow's ear.



So what? She is, she wants to stay there. (bloody beyond me but its not about me) What you and I do or would do is irrelevant, again off topic. And being in charge, even in control in any given dynamic is really an iffy assertion. When you want someone to be happy you do things that make them happy. Can those efforts to make them happy be considered in being charge or being in control? yes! Subs, slaves, masters are all in one way or another in charge of the dynamic. If a slave constantly makes the M happy she is being in charge not only of their behavior but the master's as well. Hope you see the point.

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And yet, in one 'example', you referred to a "bitch" sucking your cock and licking your balls to make you happy.... yet she is still a "bitch". Nice.


That was an situational example, presented 'dramatically' for affect. Your constant attempts to, 'bring me down' are only that, they are and have been off topic, exaggerated, and trumped up for that purpose only.

Again, my advice in this slaves situation, works so well (in heated situations where there is only attack and a need to win/lose something that has little value) that I am going to follow my own advice, where you are concerned. You'll have to take your shadow puppets, manipulations and straw man arguments and argue with yourself.





Nslavu -> RE: Help...........Please (3/18/2010 6:53:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

I will say that nslavu has achieved a first. First time I've ever put a newish poster, less than 100 posts on block. Considering his obvious issues towards women, which he is applying without reason towards the op of this thread, his fantasies of ever having a happy relationship with a woman are unlikely to ever come true.


Ad hominem only
Begets the same
Insults only the
Insulter shame.
Shoot not
Thy mouth at me,
The winner thus
Neither me nor thee,
The war of words
Are my stock in trade
Nouns and verbs
They are my blade,
The moving finger has
Thusly writ, your opinion
Is yours alone, nor will
They carry thee safely home


As for newish poster, yep and I am also acquainted with groups of individuals known as 'regulars' who when one of their buddies feels 'hurt' even if there was no hurt directed at them, ( pro-victims?) the rest of the group will come out do there best to disparage the newbie even to the point of attacking their reputation and worse 'trumping one up'. Very common on websites where 'regulars' are allowed leeway to make off topic attacks at individuals.

Again, my advice in this slaves situation, works so well (in heated situations where there is only attack and a need to win/lose something that has little value) that I am going to follow my own advice, where you also are concerned.











SimplyMichael -> RE: Help...........Please (3/18/2010 10:09:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

I will say that nslavu has achieved a first. First time I've ever put a newish poster, less than 100 posts on block. Considering his obvious issues towards women, which he is applying without reason towards the op of this thread, his fantasies of ever having a happy relationship with a woman are unlikely to ever come true.


Des, he is the embodiment of why I spent years rejecting anything with a taint of "new age" about it. I found the most narcissistic and outright selfish people tend to spout how "great" they are at being "zen/buddhist/whatever" and how much of it was the spiritual equivalent of "bdsm mentoring"....as in "let me massage your chakras till you cunt gets wet" sort of crap.

I have slowly backslid into accepting some of it but it is hard when most of it reminds me of the sort of crap you are talking about.




SimplyMichael -> RE: Help...........Please (3/18/2010 10:14:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Nslavu

As for newish poster, yep and I am also acquainted with groups of individuals known as 'regulars' who when one of their buddies feels 'hurt' even if there was no hurt directed at them, ( pro-victims?) the rest of the group will come out do there best to disparage the newbie even to the point of attacking their reputation and worse 'trumping one up'. Very common on websites where 'regulars' are allowed leeway to make off topic attacks at individuals.



Except many of the "regulars" here can't stand each other Which is why CM often has such cool threads.

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Again, my advice in this slaves situation, works so well (in heated situations where there is only attack and a need to win/lose something that has little value) that I am going to follow my own advice, where you also are concerned.


Your advice works so well? Follow your own advice? I would advise not bragging about how you don't need to win an argument as anyone with half a brain can see you are are clinging desperately to your need to be right at least as hard as anyone in this thread.




heartfeltsub -> RE: Help...........Please (3/18/2010 10:20:13 AM)

Though i have mostly kept out of this thread, i wonder if this

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Wonderful slaves are made by wonderful relationships


concept plays into this whole threead. Reading some of the posts, it seems like some believe that a wonderful slave can be had without something or someone on the other end of the relationship pulling the best out of them. That somehow, they can just suck it up and be a great slave without any support from the "Master". i have never seen any relationship that uses that premise work for very long, even with the most submissive s-types going, if there is nothing coming from the other side that helps that slave along, he or she will eventually run out of the will power to be a slave in that relationship and they will leave.

heartfelt





NihilusZero -> RE: Help...........Please (3/18/2010 10:39:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: heartfeltsub

That somehow, they can just suck it up and be a great slave without any support from the "Master".

I don't think that's quite what is going on here, though. Despite the overblown assessment by some posters as to the OP'S Master's reactions when he comes home, I didn't see anywhere that he was overtly aggressive or insulting or even that he disproportionally took anything out on his slave. What we have  been told is that she doesn't like his choice to keep in contact with an ex wife with whom he has fathered children.

There are tons of reasons why he may be trying to keep some sort of amicable relations with her (irrelevant of whether the children are post-pubescent) that do not have anything to do with intentionally drumming up his own melodrama or having some screwed up fixation with passive verbal masochism he needs from his ex. Somehow, despite no actual information to suggest it, some people turned sympathy for the OP being bothered about something not directly related to her into intentional fault on the past of the Master.

And in a relationship, M/s or not, where a partner is supposed to be a support system to the other who is in a situation that causes stress I find it peculiar that we are advocating letting the OP personalize his discomfort and then prioritizing her trauma at having to suffer, indirectly, when a chosen partner suffers.

Or maybe I'm mistaken as to what percentage of people are actually interested in treating relationships as partnerships rather than combative score-keeping cards measuring self-protection.




SimplyMichael -> RE: Help...........Please (3/18/2010 10:50:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

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ORIGINAL: heartfeltsub

That somehow, they can just suck it up and be a great slave without any support from the "Master".


Or maybe I'm mistaken as to what percentage of people are actually interested in treating relationships as partnerships rather than combative score-keeping cards measuring self-protection.



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Just to point out...

It's the OP's Master's unhappiness that we are led to believe is the recurring problem.

So, technically, any advice that would leave him "happy as hell" would actually fix the downward spiral.


You certainly aren't looking at this from a "creating relationships as partnerships" point of view, or at least I don't read shut the fuck up and suck him off (which is in essense what you said) as being particularly mutual.




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