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RE: Conservatives are going a little crazy with the lies - 3/17/2010 5:56:50 PM   
willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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No it would make it manditory on the select group and not manditory on the not select group.
Since you are in a school teaching mood why don't you tell us just who that select group were?




So you have just admitted that your quote from FDR saying it only applies to select groups doesnt make it voluntary. So wtf did you post it in support of your false claim that it is voluntary?

for the reading comprehensinon challanged.  It is manditory for the select group. It is not manditory for those not in the select group.

talking to yourself? (not to mention the spelling challenged). Let me explain it to you in simple words then. It doesnt make it voluntary for anybody, which was your claim.

The select group was commercial and industrial occupations. About 1/2 the workers at the time.
do you have a cite to validate that claim?


I already posted it

Myth 1 2d paragraph


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RE: Conservatives are going a little crazy with the lies - 3/17/2010 7:35:48 PM   
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MYTHS AND MISINFORMATION ABOUT SOCIAL SECURITY
Myths and misstatements of fact frequently circulate on the Internet, in email and on websites, and are repeated in endless loops of misinformation. One common set of such misinformation involves the history of the Social Security system.




One Common Form of the Myths:
"Franklin Roosevelt introduced the Social Security (FICA) program. He promised:
1) That participation in the program would be completely voluntary;

CORRECTING THE MYTHS AND MISSTATEMENTS
Myth 1: President Roosevelt promised that participation in the program would be completely voluntary
Persons working in employment covered by Social Security are subject to the FICA payroll tax. Like all taxes, this has never been voluntary.

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This would be the manditory tax on persons working in employment covered by social security


From the first days of the program to the present, anyone working on a job covered by Social Security has been obligated to pay their payroll taxes.
In the early years of the program, however, only about half the jobs in the economy were covered by Social Security. Thus one could work in non-covered employment and not have to pay FICA taxes (and of course, one would not be eligible to collect a future Social Security benefit). In that indirect sense, participation in Social Security was voluntary. However, if a job was covered, or became covered by subsequent law, then if a person worked at that job, participation in Social Security was mandatory.
There have only been a handful of exceptions to this rule, generally involving persons working for state/local governments. Under certain conditions, employees of state/local governments have been able to voluntarily choose to have their employment covered or not covered.

This is the quote from your cite.
It clearly states that the tax is only on those covered and not on those not covered.
What I was hoping you would do is bring up the original law...but you wont do that.
Now you will bluster and tell us that you have given all the proof you need.
If that is so then that is your business.  If on the other hand you really want a discussion where we can learn from one another then why don't you bring up the original law and we can discuss what it actually says


< Message edited by thompsonx -- 3/17/2010 7:39:48 PM >

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RE: Conservatives are going a little crazy with the lies - 3/17/2010 7:59:56 PM   
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The lies are have become ridiculous and obscene, it goes without saying it makes me angry. I am beginning to think this kind of deliberate disinformation needs to become a criminal offense.
 
UPDATED EXCLUSIVE: New England Journal of Medicine says it didn't publish or produce health care "survey" | Media Matters for America
 
Right-wing media have seized on a dubious, three-month old email "survey" that purports to show that physicians are concerned about health care reform and that 46 percent of the primary care doctors surveyed "indicated that they would leave medicine - or try to leave medicine - as a result of health reform." Many media figures have falsely attributed this survey to the New England Journal of Medicine. For example, on Fox & Friends, co-host Brian Kilmeade said: "The New England Journal of Medicine has published a report and did a survey, and they said the impact of reform on primary care physicians, 46 percent, they say, feel reform will force them out or make them want to leave medicine."

This is false.

Media Matters for America contacted the New England Journal of Medicine, which confirmed it neither conducted nor published the "survey."

NEJM spokesperson Jennifer Zeis told Media Matters that the study had "nothing to do with the New England Journal of Medicine's original research." She also made clear that the study "was not published by the New England Journal of Medicine," and said that "we are taking steps to clarify the source of the survey."

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201003170036

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