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Creative control...... - 3/16/2010 11:05:08 AM   
dove967


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Status: offline 		My Daddy is evil(and I love it!).  Last week W/we had a discussion about discipline and the whole idea of  consensual/non-consent.  Now Daddy sees a distinct difference between discipline and punishment.  Discipline is a tool to guide and teach. Punishment is a consequence of disobedience.  I've never recieved a punishment and don't plan on earning one if I can help it.  Daddy has always said not to make the mistake of confusing his compassion with weakness and it's always wise to take Him at His word.  But, back to my point..a couple of days later, Daddy explained to me that He perfers to use positive reinforcement/reward as a form of discipline instead of using the fear of punishment to motivate obediance.  Now, Daddy and I are both smokers and Daddy -the frugal Dom He is-always buys a particular brand of smokes that are less expensive for both of us.  I perfer a pricier brand,but, as long as Daddy supplies the smokes, I try to be respectful and not waste our money by buying my own.  So, one day Daddy comes home with 1 pkge of MY  brand of smokes and one pkge of our regular less expensive brand.  Then he informs me that as a reward for good behavior or a consistant attitude of obedience, He will grant me one of MY brand of smokes at his discretion.   What a clever Daddy!  Needless to say, I am working hard to be a very good girl!  I would love to hear from Doms or subs about some other examples of creative control.
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RE: Creative control...... - 3/16/2010 12:45:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		That is very nice, thank you for sharing!.

He sounds a lot like myself.

Thank you for sharing,
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RE: Creative control...... - 3/16/2010 3:07:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Something about a points reward program involving SHOES.

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RE: Creative control...... - 3/16/2010 5:07:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you let them smoke, you aren't being dominant. Smoking is gross, unhealthy, and sick. I have made the handful of women I have ever allowed into my life who did smoke, quit. Nasty gross habit.

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RE: Creative control...... - 3/16/2010 5:17:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dove967
Last week W/we had a discussion about discipline and the whole idea of  consensual/non-consent.  Now Daddy sees a distinct difference between discipline and punishment.  Discipline is a tool to guide and teach. Punishment is a consequence of disobedience.


I agree with his sentiment wholeheartedly. I will add that if punishment is not something that the submissive will avoid at all costs (and I mean the actual punishment - forget the underlying fact that she was disobedient and/or displeased her dominant) then it is ineffective. An interesting twist on your cigarette scenario would be to grant you one of your favorite smokes as an incentive/reward and deny you any smokes at all for bad behavior.

I am a bit fuzzy as to how how the consent/non-consent angle factored into discipline versus punishment.




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RE: Creative control...... - 3/16/2010 5:32:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		If these punishments are so horrible and so to be avoided...why do the ones who use them so often end up single or keep having to use them?

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RE: Creative control...... - 3/16/2010 5:40:55 PM   
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RE: Creative control...... - 3/16/2010 7:41:38 PM   
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Something about a points reward program involving SHOES.


*perk*

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RE: Creative control...... - 3/16/2010 8:04:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I enjoy positive reinforcement as well. I have, in the past, granted one day each month, for a submissive type to receive a 'do me' day. They get to pick one of their fantasies that I don't typically play toward, and I will give them that fantasy (provided of course it doesn't go against any of my own personal limits). They were able to receive that day if they avoided discipline for that month.

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RE: Creative control...... - 3/17/2010 12:23:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Her reward is my continued attention. If shes bad it takes nothing more then letting her know she was what she does to her self is usually punishment enough. However I have been known to burn her she fears this more then anything. having her lay there and be burn and then my refusal to touch her no comfort or support it shatters her.   

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RE: Creative control...... - 3/17/2010 12:27:43 AM   
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If you let them smoke, you aren't being dominant. Smoking is gross, unhealthy, and sick. I have made the handful of women I have ever allowed into my life who did smoke, quit. Nasty gross habit.

Gee, Michael, tell us how you really feel.


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RE: Creative control...... - 3/17/2010 2:25:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you are a really really good girl and your daddy feels like spoiling you, well,you can both smoke yourselfs inside out that will be sooo nice

you'll make the house stink and cause daddy to be impotent and you to loose some teeth and develop one of these disgusting flemmy coughs and eventually die of lung cancer

... jeezz how very sexy... and i believe you have a child too isn't it?

If a person smokes it shows that they have not much regards for their body or their environment and they certainly have not much self discipline

also the amount of money it costs nowadays is just rediculous... why would you opt to burn your hard earned cash? and if you are on the dole it is even worse... it means that you are wasting other peoples money on this filthy habit.
Christ, why don't you buy some dildos instead?

creative control my ass... stupid control more like

you should both pack it in!!!

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RE: Creative control...... - 3/17/2010 6:22:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Wow, just wow! How did a potentially great discussion get stuck on putting the OP down for being a smoker and airing thoughts on smoking? It was used as an example and other examples were invited to be shared on creative control. I was looking forward to reading a discussion on various ways people have found to exercise creative control. How sad.

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RE: Creative control...... - 3/17/2010 7:08:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		For the OP's dynamic, it seems a nice reward system.
It could be applied to other items;

good behavior = generic cerial
superb behavior = name brand cerial

good behavior = generic chocolate
superb behavior = name brand chocolate

good behavior = basic cable
superb behavior = pay-per-view

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RE: Creative control...... - 3/17/2010 8:02:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SassySarijane

Wow, just wow! How did a potentially great discussion get stuck on putting the OP down for being a smoker and airing thoughts on smoking? It was used as an example and other examples were invited to be shared on creative control. I was looking forward to reading a discussion on various ways people have found to exercise creative control. How sad.


Well said, I didn't get what people were trying to say either!!

As far as the ops question, I think positive reinforcement works pretty well.
You can take just about any scenario and work with it. If a dominant shows his/her pleasure or item of reward, then its far more likely that will have very positive effects. It will also make punishment much more meaningful if and when you get it wrong.

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RE: Creative control...... - 3/17/2010 8:06:35 AM   
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For the OP's dynamic, it seems a nice reward system.
It could be applied to other items;

good behavior = generic cerial
superb behavior = name brand cerial

good behavior = generic chocolate
superb behavior = name brand chocolate

good behavior = basic cable
superb behavior = pay-per-view


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RE: Creative control...... - 3/17/2010 10:50:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: allthatjaz

Well said, I didn't get what people were trying to say either!!

Clearly they were trying to cleverly illustrate how even the WIITWD community can be rife with illogical, emotional bias and that we shouldn't kid ourselves otherwise.

They must have just hit the "Send" button mistakenly thinking they were in another thread where people were offering up examples of such prejudice. Surely.


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RE: Creative control...... - 3/17/2010 3:43:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: allthatjaz


quote:

ORIGINAL: SassySarijane

Wow, just wow! How did a potentially great discussion get stuck on putting the OP down for being a smoker and airing thoughts on smoking? It was used as an example and other examples were invited to be shared on creative control. I was looking forward to reading a discussion on various ways people have found to exercise creative control. How sad.


Well said, I didn't get what people were trying to say either!!

As far as the ops question, I think positive reinforcement works pretty well.
You can take just about any scenario and work with it. If a dominant shows his/her pleasure or item of reward, then its far more likely that will have very positive effects. It will also make punishment much more meaningful if and when you get it wrong.


Ok to give things more depth:

the op states: "Then he informs me that as a reward for good behavior or a consistant attitude of obedience, He will grant me one of MY brand of smokes at his discretion.   What a clever Daddy!  Needless to say, I am working hard to be a very good girl!  I would love to hear from Doms or subs about some other examples of creative control."

Smoking is bad for your health, it simply stinks,
i know there still are people who very much like to to it, but even they do not deny it is bad for your health... and if they can still smell anything at all they might even agree that most things smell nicer than cigs.

the op's daddy rewards her by giving her a cancer stick if she is good
she calls this creative control

i call it stupid

he would do better quitting the bad habit to show his sexy self control and next insist that she quits this stupid behaviour too... to reward themselves they can go on lovely trips to restaurants and actually taste the food
and within a few months they will have saved enough money by not smoking to go on a break together, how is that for positive reinforcement

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RE: Creative control...... - 3/17/2010 4:40:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Smoking is not what the thread was about, it was an example used. What if the reward had been getting to drink his pee and she really liked it? Or getting to cum? Or doing scat play because it was something she enjoyed? Insert example of your choice or preference and go with the question in the thread and we end up with a potentially interesting and informative and even fun discussion rather than starting in on someone because they used smoking as an example.

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RE: Creative control...... - 3/17/2010 4:43:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		OP: I really hope others will chime in on your question dealing with creative control and a good and informative discussion on it can happen. I'm disappointed that it was turned into an anti smoking thread rather than what it was intended to be originally. My apologies for stepping into the hijack.

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