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Sanity -> Walgreens: no new Medicaid patients as of April 16 (3/18/2010 3:30:02 AM)


And so the decline has already began:

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Walgreens: no new Medicaid patients as of April 16

Walgreens will stop taking new Medicaid patients in Washington state as of April 16, saying it loses money filling their prescriptions.

Effective April 16, Walgreens drugstores across the state won't take any new Medicaid patients, saying that filling their prescriptions is a money-losing proposition — the latest development in an ongoing dispute over Medicaid reimbursement. The company, which operates 121 stores in the state, will continue filling Medicaid prescriptions for current patients.

In a news release, Walgreens said its decision to not take new Medicaid patients stemmed from a "continued reduction in reimbursement" under the state's Medicaid program, which reimburses it at less than the break-even point for 95 percent of brand-name medications dispensed to Medicaid patents.

Walgreens follows Bartell Drugs, which stopped taking new Medicaid patients last month at all 57 of its stores in Washington, though it still fills Medicaid prescriptions for existing customers at all but 15 of those stores.

Doug Porter, the state's director of Medicaid, said Medicaid recipients should be able to readily find another pharmacy because "we have many more pharmacy providers in our network than we need" for the state's 1 million Medicaid clients.


More:  http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2011367936_walgreens18m.html



Yeah, there's always Walmart.







eyesopened -> RE: Walgreens: no new Medicaid patients as of April 16 (3/18/2010 3:49:08 AM)

Poor Walgreens! 
http://stocks.investopedia.com/stock-analysis/2009/Walgreens-Gets-A-Strong-Dose-Of-Profits-WAG-CVS-RAD-WMT-TGT1222.aspx
Drugstore giant Walgreens (NYSE:WAG) had a strong fiscal 2010 first quarter aided by the increased demand for flu shots. Sales were up 9.5% to a record $16.4 billion while the company racked up profits of 49 cents per diluted share, a near 20% increase year over year. Even more impressive, Walgreens generated $1.2 billion in cash flow from operations, more than triple the year-ago quarter. 
 

I should imagine that investors will be even more pleased to know the company will no longer help the less fortunate!  Way to go!




Sanity -> RE: Walgreens: no new Medicaid patients as of April 16 (3/18/2010 4:16:54 AM)


Are you really trying to argue that businesses should be forced to lose money? Or that they should screw their investors, and become charities? 

Say you loan a friend or a relative some money to start a business. They give that money to some homeless person then give you the bird and call you a greedy bitch for wanting your money returned. How would that make you feel?

Walgreens is a business. If they do things that drain profits they won't be a business any more.




eyesopened -> RE: Walgreens: no new Medicaid patients as of April 16 (3/18/2010 4:35:20 AM)

I'm saying they get paid by the state to fill Medicaid prescriptions and that they reported record profits even while accepting Medicaid reimbursement.  There is nothing, absolutely nothing that suggests that they will LOSE money if they continue to accept Medicaid reimbursement for new patients.

I'm saying that a corporation needs to also be a good citizen. 




Louve00 -> RE: Walgreens: no new Medicaid patients as of April 16 (3/18/2010 5:09:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: eyesopened

I'm saying that a corporation needs to also be a good citizen. 


Thats what most people just don't get.  They'd sooner blame it all on a gov't thing, than what it is.




tazzygirl -> RE: Walgreens: no new Medicaid patients as of April 16 (3/18/2010 5:40:50 AM)

On this one, i have to agree with Sanity. These companies should be, at least, allowed to break even. But to take a loss because the reimbursement isnt enough... well... we cant force these companies to do that. The problem will happen when the LAST company tries to do this. Then the real issues will have to be addressed.




Louve00 -> RE: Walgreens: no new Medicaid patients as of April 16 (3/18/2010 5:47:12 AM)

I would find it easier to agree with Sanity if the company was indeed losing money.  But Walgreens wasn't losing money, and had a huge gain while filling medicaid prescriptions last year.  But, its their company.  I know I am just one lone little consumer, but I won't be giving any of my money to Walgreen's this year.  Let them make their profits on whoever they were making profits on, minus the money they were getting from medicaid.  (I am boycotting them upon hearing this! lol)




RacerJim -> RE: Walgreens: no new Medicaid patients as of April 16 (3/18/2010 5:50:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

On this one, i have to agree with Sanity. These companies should be, at least, allowed to break even. But to take a loss because the reimbursement isnt enough... well... we cant force these companies to do that. The problem will happen when the LAST company tries to do this. Then the real issues will have to be addressed.


When the LAST company tries to do that it will be too LATE to address the real issues. Addressing the real issues, rather than simply fulfilling one of Obama's core campaign promises, is why Congressional Republicans and an ever-increasing majority of "We the people..." have opposed the Democrats' healthcare reform legislation.




tazzygirl -> RE: Walgreens: no new Medicaid patients as of April 16 (3/18/2010 5:51:21 AM)

I look at it this way. Its 121 stores in one state. Wont hit their bottom line that hard. But, if they allow that one state, others will follow. Deleware was the first, Walgreens negotiated that one to a settlement. Its not that they arent going to fill any medicaid prescriptions... just no new patients. I see that as their attempt to still provide a service to their loyal customers. On them, they will continue to lose money. But i cant blame them for not taking in any new ones.




tazzygirl -> RE: Walgreens: no new Medicaid patients as of April 16 (3/18/2010 5:58:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RacerJim


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

On this one, i have to agree with Sanity. These companies should be, at least, allowed to break even. But to take a loss because the reimbursement isnt enough... well... we cant force these companies to do that. The problem will happen when the LAST company tries to do this. Then the real issues will have to be addressed.


When the LAST company tries to do that it will be too LATE to address the real issues. Addressing the real issues, rather than simply fulfilling one of Obama's core campaign promises, is why Congressional Republicans and an ever-increasing majority of "We the people..." have opposed the Democrats' healthcare reform legislation.



Ok Jim. So this is Obama's fault too? lol

The states themselves made these decisions, partly to help with the budget crunch most states found themselves in. The delaware dispute was june, 2009.

Delaware cut its reimbursement level to 84 percent from 86 percent of the average wholesale price back in April. After discussions with Walgreen, Delaware agreed to cut only to 85 percent as of July 1. The state stands to save $500,000 in its next fiscal year, versus the $1 million it had originally hoped for, Landgraf said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2634646420090626




Louve00 -> RE: Walgreens: no new Medicaid patients as of April 16 (3/18/2010 6:02:34 AM)

Well, Tazzy, thats a reasonable point and I try to be a reasonable person.  Your right in your thinking...and with all this health care reform rustling around, there is a good possibility there won't be as many "medicaid" pts.  But for now, no Walgreens for me [;)]




flcouple2009 -> RE: Walgreens: no new Medicaid patients as of April 16 (3/18/2010 6:18:36 AM)

As usual leave it to Sanity to grab a snippet and pretend that it is something it's not.

First this is an argument between the State of Washington and Walgreens.  You could have used that in the topic but it would not have the desired effect you wished.  Your defense will be, "But I only used the headline form the article".  Being in a Seattle paper that headline was meant for people in Washington. 

Second form personal experience if you want a prescription filled that your reaching in your own pocket and paying for, one of the last places I would want to go is Walgreens.  As stated by eyesopened above, Walgreens has huge profits.  this is about trying to protect those profits not losing money. 

If it were really about losing money they would cut all of the medicaid patients and happily let them go somewhere else. 

I guess you missed this part of the article,

     "The amount private insurers and Medicaid pay pharmacies for prescriptions isn't the actual cost of those drugs but rather
       is based on what's called the drug's estimated average wholesale price. But that figure is more like the sticker
       price on a car than its actual wholesale cost."


Then there was this part,

     "The average wholesale price is calculated by a private company, which was accused in a Massachusetts lawsuit
      of fraudulently inflating its figures. The company did not admit wrongdoing but agreed in a court settlement to
      ratchet its figures down by about 4 percent."

This is about protecting that huge profit and attempting to stop this before other states and/or private groups follow suit.





Sanity -> RE: Walgreens: no new Medicaid patients as of April 16 (3/18/2010 6:34:11 AM)


Thats ridiculous. Crazy talk...

Say a restaurant chain wasn't losing money on some aspect of its business. Would you boycott them as well? Ben Franklin said a penny saved is a penny earned, and businessmen who manage to stay in business understand that.

The larger point however, seems to be getting lost, which is that Obama is determined to cut five hundred billion dollars from the Medicare budget in order to make Obamacare seem a little more affordable. But with Medicare struggling to pay its bills now, whats going to happen to it after Obama's drastic cuts start kicking in?


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ORIGINAL: Louve00

I would find it easier to agree with Sanity if the company was indeed losing money.  But Walgreens wasn't losing money, and had a huge gain while filling medicaid prescriptions last year.  But, its their company.  I know I am just one lone little consumer, but I won't be giving any of my money to Walgreen's this year.  Let them make their profits on whoever they were making profits on, minus the money they were getting from medicaid.  (I am boycotting them upon hearing this! lol)




housesub4you -> RE: Walgreens: no new Medicaid patients as of April 16 (3/18/2010 6:53:36 AM)

But where is there loss????  They made 16.2 Billion in profits.   It seems strange that people are so willing to accept the statement Walgreen's lost money, while they post record profits.

Now, let's see, last month Walgreen's moved their accounting department oveaseas to India, to increase profits, now they will no longer offer service's to  new Medicaid to increase profits.  Fine so be it.  It is a business, but I think if you are going to stop accepting new Medicaid, they should stop accepting all Medicaid and let the people choose to shop there for anything else if they want.

I personally never shop there for anything, their prices are insane compared to the others stores in the area. 

In our town Walgreen's attempted to open a second store less than 2 miles from another of there stores and everyone bitched to the city council about WHY do we need another Walgreen's, how many does a small town need, and they lost the permit.  Now a new business other than a drug store is moving in.  Not that this has anything to do with the thread








Sanity -> RE: Walgreens: no new Medicaid patients as of April 16 (3/18/2010 7:02:01 AM)


They're losing money on their Medicaid patients. They've agreed to keep losing money on their existing patients, which proves they have a big heart, but are making a move to cut future losses, like any practical business has to in order to survive. And their sales were 16 billion, which they have to cover all their expenses out of that, as well as take care of their investors. 

Again, its a business. You want charity, go see the Catholics.

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ORIGINAL: housesub4you

But where is there loss????  They made 16.2 Billion in profits.   It seems strange that people are so willing to accept the statement Walgreen's lost money, while they post record profits.

Now, let's see, last month Walgreen's moved their accounting department oveaseas to India, to increase profits, now they will no longer offer service's to  new Medicaid to increase profits.  Fine so be it.  It is a business, but I think if you are going to stop accepting new Medicaid, they should stop accepting all Medicaid and let the people choose to shop there for anything else if they want.

I personally never shop there for anything, their prices are insane compared to the others stores in the area. 

In our town Walgreen's attempted to open a second store less than 2 miles from another of there stores and everyone bitched to the city council about WHY do we need another Walgreen's, how many does a small town need, and they lost the permit.  Now a new business other than a drug store is moving in.  Not that this has anything to do with the thread









Sanity -> RE: Walgreens: no new Medicaid patients as of April 16 (3/18/2010 7:17:34 AM)


And you didn't answer the question. What do you think Medicare is going to be like after Obama's $500 billion in cuts kick in?




mnottertail -> RE: Walgreens: no new Medicaid patients as of April 16 (3/18/2010 7:21:34 AM)

fiscally conservative? something the republicans aren't?




mnottertail -> RE: Walgreens: no new Medicaid patients as of April 16 (3/18/2010 7:25:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


They're losing money on their Medicaid patients. They've agreed to keep losing money on their existing patients, which proves they have a big heart, but are making a move to cut future losses, like any practical business has to in order to survive. And their sales were 16 billion, which they have to cover all their expenses out of that, as well as take care of their investors. 



I wonder how their investors will feel when they are paying out their ass in the class action lawsuit sure to be filed?




flcouple2009 -> RE: Walgreens: no new Medicaid patients as of April 16 (3/18/2010 7:27:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


They're losing money on their Medicaid patients. They've agreed to keep losing money on their existing patients, which proves they have a big heart, but are making a move to cut future losses, like any practical business has to in order to survive. And their sales were 16 billion, which they have to cover all their expenses out of that, as well as take care of their investors. 

Again, its a business. You want charity, go see the Catholics.

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ORIGINAL: housesub4you

But where is there loss????  They made 16.2 Billion in profits.   It seems strange that people are so willing to accept the statement Walgreen's lost money, while they post record profits.

Now, let's see, last month Walgreen's moved their accounting department oveaseas to India, to increase profits, now they will no longer offer service's to  new Medicaid to increase profits.  Fine so be it.  It is a business, but I think if you are going to stop accepting new Medicaid, they should stop accepting all Medicaid and let the people choose to shop there for anything else if they want.

I personally never shop there for anything, their prices are insane compared to the others stores in the area. 

In our town Walgreen's attempted to open a second store less than 2 miles from another of there stores and everyone bitched to the city council about WHY do we need another Walgreen's, how many does a small town need, and they lost the permit.  Now a new business other than a drug store is moving in.  Not that this has anything to do with the thread



Funny how you skip over my post which points out from the same article how the prices were rigged and showed part of why the state changed the payment amounts.  

Or are you saying that it is OK to manipulate the price setting without recourse from the state?




Louve00 -> RE: Walgreens: no new Medicaid patients as of April 16 (3/18/2010 7:27:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Thats ridiculous. Crazy talk...

Say a restaurant chain wasn't losing money on some aspect of its business. Would you boycott them as well? Ben Franklin said a penny saved is a penny earned, and businessmen who manage to stay in business understand that.

The larger point however, seems to be getting lost, which is that Obama is determined to cut five hundred billion dollars from the Medicare budget in order to make Obamacare seem a little more affordable. But with Medicare struggling to pay its bills now, whats going to happen to it after Obama's drastic cuts start kicking in?


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ORIGINAL: Louve00

I would find it easier to agree with Sanity if the company was indeed losing money.  But Walgreens wasn't losing money, and had a huge gain while filling medicaid prescriptions last year.  But, its their company.  I know I am just one lone little consumer, but I won't be giving any of my money to Walgreen's this year.  Let them make their profits on whoever they were making profits on, minus the money they were getting from medicaid.  (I am boycotting them upon hearing this! lol)



Well, that didn't take long.  We went from Walgreen's business to Obama before reaching a second page.  You want to talk about 'how Obama will eventually ruin medicare by cutting costs' via 'what a business that is looking to reduce business ties with gov't'.  (Ohhhh wait!!  I think I am seeing a vague sort of light here...Sanity hates the gov't, and Walgreens is proposing to limit its business with the gov't...so Walgreens is Sanity's friend.)

I'm still boycotting Walgreen's, although Flacouple may be right.  I wasn't much of a Walgreen's customer to begin with, though.  So don't worry, it won't be me driving anyone out of business




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