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RE: Is this forum ... - 3/21/2010 8:53:53 AM   
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how sad is this? Julia, and Sanity, you both have lots of wonderful contributions to threads, but you ruin it when you spiral down to this kind of behavior.
Sheesh!
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RE: Is this forum ... - 3/21/2010 8:55:34 AM   
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The search feature is in the corner... good luck finding posts supporting Obama, etc, you will not find them you Partisan shill.



Unless you are using him to make sneering insinuations of racism...


Racism? Where did that come from based on what I said? Wow, you must be secretly feeling guilty about something..


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RE: Is this forum ... - 3/21/2010 8:56:44 AM   
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The search feature is in the corner... good luck finding posts supporting Obama, etc, you will not find them you Partisan shill.



juliaoceania: "I wish Al Gore would run again. I could support him (at least at this time I could)"

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=970611

Last time I checked, Al Gore was solidly Democratic.


Yes, I support Al Gore because he came out against invading Iraq... not because he is a democrat.. you do understand the difference? Right?

I also like Ron Paul, for the same reasons.


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RE: Is this forum ... - 3/21/2010 9:10:59 AM   
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Is this forum (at least somewhat) an accurate representation of America's political mindset right now?




Well, we hit all the big topics, I think.  Our percentage of crazies seems higher.

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RE: Is this forum ... - 3/21/2010 9:29:55 AM   
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Ya know, its all fun and games until someone gets their eye poked out!


No problem. That's why God gave you two!

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RE: Is this forum ... - 3/21/2010 9:36:17 AM   
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I am sick of Gore

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RE: Is this forum ... - 3/21/2010 9:37:28 AM   
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I really wish I could find the source, but back in my early 20s, I found a leaflet from a German reform party that had as it's slogan something along the lines of We don't go left, we don't go right, we go forward. I thought it was brilliant.

I tend to be much more aligned to the left in terms of my morals, that I will not deny. I have had a hard time being on board with any political train because I find that right now, political parties are reactive rather than proactive. They are spending too much time fighting as enemies rather than working for the people.

So I think I will adopt this statement from now on: I pay no allegiance to the left, I pay no allegiance to the right, I focus on moving forward.

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RE: Is this forum ... - 3/21/2010 11:03:27 AM   
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Ya know, its all fun and games until someone gets their eye poked out!



...then it's fun and games with no depth perception.......

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RE: Is this forum ... - 3/21/2010 11:41:35 AM   
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I disagree with the media elite being uniformly progressive.  The NYTimes broke Whitewater and a bunch of other "-gates" and flogged them for years (even when nothing came of them).  They, and the Washington Post, were vigorously pro-Iraq war (anything that raised doubts was placed way back in the paper).  Bush received more positive articles and fewer negative articles than Gore in 2000.   Journalists covering DC during Bush 43's administration did little investigative work or even offer conflicting views until late in the second term.  The major broadcast networks are corporate owned and generally look out for their own interests.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

Here is part of a really good essay on this: 

Geography aside, however, we have never been so evenly divided with such hateful rhetoric since the years leading up to the Civil War of the 1860s. Because the national media elite are so uniformly progressive, we keep hearing (in the elite media) about the rhetorical excesses of the "extreme right." To hear the same media, there is no "extreme left," just the occasional progressive who says things he or she shouldn't.

But any rational observer has to see that the Left and Right in America are screaming the most vile accusations at each other all the time. We are fully polarized -- if you accept one idea that sounds like it belongs to either the blue or the red, you are assumed -- nay, required -- to espouse the entire rest of the package, even though there is no reason why supporting the war against terrorism should imply you're in favor of banning all abortions and against restricting the availability of firearms; no reason why being in favor of keeping government-imposed limits on the free market should imply you also are in favor of giving legal status to homosexual couples and against building nuclear reactors. These issues are not remotely related, and yet if you hold any of one group's views, you are hated by the other group as if you believed them all; and if you hold most of one group's views, but not all, you are treated as if you were a traitor for deviating even slightly from the party line.

It goes deeper than this, however. A good working definition of fanaticism is that you are so convinced of your views and policies that you are sure anyone who opposes them must either be stupid and deceived or have some ulterior motive. We are today a nation where almost everyone in the public eye displays fanaticism with every utterance.

Here is the link:  http://www.hatrack.com/osc/articles/empire_afterword.shtml 

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RE: Is this forum ... - 3/21/2010 11:55:54 AM   
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hi

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RE: Is this forum ... - 3/21/2010 12:22:29 PM   
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* sigh *

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RE: Is this forum ... - 3/21/2010 12:24:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

* sigh *


So other than the adjectives used for the media what did you think of the essay?

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RE: Is this forum ... - 3/21/2010 12:28:38 PM   
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hi


You know, I went back and found my first post, and I gotta say, it was not only longer, but more appropriately placed.

Now thorny... sighing at the young man may only encourage him...


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RE: Is this forum ... - 3/21/2010 12:28:48 PM   
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I am sick of Gore


Hmmm, where is Gore anyway?
I heard on the news that he's made closer to ***$1 BILLION*** off that "global warming" scam and not the $100m that was reported before!
Does anyone know? Anyone seen any figures?

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RE: Is this forum ... - 3/21/2010 6:55:58 PM   
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Thank you everyone who contributed to this thread.
Yes, all of you.


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RE: Is this forum ... - 3/21/2010 6:58:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kiwisub12

Ya know, its all fun and games until someone gets their eye poked out!



...then it's fun and games with no depth perception.......


Yeah, but you get to wear an eye patch! How cool is that?


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RE: Is this forum ... - 3/21/2010 8:02:27 PM   
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Is this forum (at least somewhat) an accurate representation of America's political mindset right now?

If so, it seems pretty clear that both Team Elephant and Team Donkey have totally gone off the deep end.



Heheh. Good observation..

1) This P&R forum isn't about politics as much as it is about personalities. It is harshly colored by a few folks with deeply held convictions who just love to post strong and inflammatory statements designed to create the desired reaction in the kooks on the other side. Then it devolves into the much anticipated spitting match. Hell, some of these goofballs follow each other around the boards just to snark at them at every opportunity. Happily, this supplies the rest of us with our daily drama fix :)

2) As for Team Elephant and Team Donkey? You have a point there. Partisan bickering has all but destroyed our ability to maturely govern for the good of the people. Sadly, the simple shout of "Liar!" was nicely symbolic of our real political slide to the base levels that are often seen on this board. Unfortunately, too many of our politicians don't really represent much other than their own interests right now. Hopefully, this will change over time. Don't hold your breath!!!

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RE: Is this forum ... - 3/21/2010 8:20:38 PM   
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... We are fully polarized -- if you accept one idea that sounds like it belongs to either the blue or the red, you are assumed -- nay, required -- to espouse the entire rest of the package, even though there is no reason why...

...A good working definition of fanaticism is that you are so convinced of your views and policies that you are sure anyone who opposes them must either be stupid and deceived or have some ulterior motive. We are today a nation where almost everyone in the public eye displays fanaticism with every utterance.


Aylee, I think your article is accurate in theory but not yet accurate in practice. Yes, we are ASKED to identify ourselves with one or the other polarized sets of beliefs. However, my r/l experience indicates that some drink the koolaid, but most do not. My fear is that this is changing.

Today, I have to say that the far right has the most energy, while the left has the most popular support. But a bad economy brings harsh political retribution during elections, and politicians today are quite adept at playing on our insecurities and fears. I would not be surprised to see the next couple of elections bring a lot more koolaid to the congress on both sides of the aisle. In other words, your article may look a whole lot more like reality over the next few years.

Good article. Thanks.

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RE: Is this forum ... - 3/21/2010 8:46:00 PM   
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Today, I have to say that the far right has the most energy, while the left has the most popular support. But a bad economy brings harsh political retribution during elections, and politicians today are quite adept at playing on our insecurities and fears. I would not be surprised to see the next couple of elections bring a lot more koolaid to the congress on both sides of the aisle. In other words, your article may look a whole lot more like reality over the next few years.

Good article. Thanks.


Goodness I hope not.  I am not sure if you read the link to the entire thing, but it is discussing a civil war in America.  [BTW, the book is good as well.]

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RE: Is this forum ... - 3/21/2010 9:04:07 PM   
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The vast majority of Americans don’t think of themselves as either Democrats of Republicans. They are occasionally interested in political events and will feel passionate about their positions. But… would not dream of traveling to DC to spit on congressmen and women or carry signs on the street corners.

They vote as the feel the day of the election and will go back to their lives without a second thought. Only the fanatics don’t know when to let something go.

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