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Thadius -> RE: Healthcare Debate in the House - Live Video Coverage (3/21/2010 8:41:40 PM)
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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda
Hi, Thadius,
Actually, quite a lot of the elements of this bill begin immediately or almost immediately. Help for seniors who can't afford their prescriptions, expanded coverage for children with pre-existing conditions, extended coverage for college-aged dependents, tax breaks for small businesses, a more robust appeals process for people getting horsefucked by their insurance companies, assistance for adults with pre-existing conditions - these will all begin in the next few months, some of them as soon as Obama signs the bill tomorrow.
Tax hike? C'est la vie. Make no mistake, this bill is intended to be the first step in a very long process of nationalizing the health care system, and there's no way to do that without raising revenue through taxes. Simply put, in the long run, people will be paying less in taxes than they were in insurance premiums. Many of the costs are front loaded, but the back loaded benefits will more than balance it out. One way or another, we need to bite a bullet, and if we have to bite a bullet I'd say this is the best one to bite.
Court challenges? Let 'em file their spurious challenges. Tilting at windmills. This bill is going to become the law of the land, and there's no realistic way to stop it now.
The key selling points of the bill do not kick in until 2014. Portability, coverage of adults with pre-existing conditions, the exchange, etc...
Tax breaks for small business? Is that a net gain or loss for a business when figuring in the cost of providing a policy or paying the fines? Just curious what do we do with all of those folks that work for the various insurance companies, not the big wigs but you know the everyday Joe and Jane that do the grunt work? The reason the revenues are front loaded is because CBO can only certify a 10 year score, which means that you get to show 10 years of revenue with only 6 of spending, anybody could make those numbers look good. Further, many of the numbers are double counted, such as the Medicare/Medicaid "savings' the suggested $400-$500Billion in savings is used to help save those programs, but also to fund this new bill. Read the 25 pages of CBO scoring yourself to verify, the president dodged that one a few times at the "square table summit" (aka dog and pony show).
You are incorrect about adults being covered with pre-existing conditions, Gibbs had to publicly admit as much in the daily briefing Thurs or Fri...
You don't believe that challenges under the commerce clause would be valid? How about the States rights issues? Or the individual mandates? If you think this thing is going to hold up with the current SCOTUS, you are perhaps a bit high from the rush of this Pyrrhic victory.
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