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RE: Conservative Blogger Urges Obama Assassination on T... - 3/23/2010 1:46:36 PM   
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Not to mention that he lost the popular vote to Gore and his election was based strictly on electoral votes.



Which means he won the election. The election is decided by electoral votes. Always has been.


No kidding?

Thanks for that breaking news update.

Now do we want to talk about how the electoral votes are awarded and how they are based on the popular vote?

Do we further want to go into the election discrepancies in Florida and Ohio.

Because if you want to go down that road I can talk about this all day.


Only if we also get to include Illinois in that discussion, and more particularly Cook County.

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RE: Conservative Blogger Urges Obama Assassination on T... - 3/23/2010 1:57:44 PM   
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So many factual errors.  There is a thing called a safe harbor.  Which basically says that there has to be a start and an end, and there must be fixed remedy requests.

As a native of florida, I followed these recounts closely.  Gore's request for remedy involved cherry picking a number of counties where he thought he could pick up the most votes, as they were historically democratic.

He specifically decided on not recounting the entire state, as he thought bush would pick up more absentee and military votes.

So he made a specific request within the alloted time frame.  When that failed.. he went to the florida supreme court to extend the period unlawfully, allowing him to reframe his request.

Being 12 democrats, they agreed.  It went to the supreme court who in the initial ruling said.. we can't believe you're saying this.  Try again.  When FLSC continued, the surpreme court overruled them.




Yes, let's talk about those "factual errors".

Being a "native of Florida" you either didn't follow the recounts too closely, as you say, or you really didn't understand much about them.

Let's start with one "factual error":

The Florida Supreme Court consists of seven justices, not twelve.

So, if your contention is that there was bias because six of seven were appointed by Democratic governors then you need to look at the U.S. Supreme Court decision which was strictly along party lines and stretched the Constitution so far that it made a mockery of the court.





Jurist: Presidential Election Law: The Florida Recount 2000

December 8
: In 4-3 split decision, Florida Supreme Court rules for Gore, ordering a statewide manual recount of undervotes to begin and adding 383 votes to his total. Bush seeks stays before the Florida Supreme Court, the 11th Circuit, and the U.S. Supreme Court and additionally petitions the U.S. Supreme Court for certiorari.




Supreme Court Case Study: Bush v. Gore

The Court steps in


The Supreme Court actually interposed itself into the election contest three times. Only the last two are known as Bush v. Gore. In the first of these cases, Bush v. Palm Beach County Canvassing Board, the Court hoped to end the election crisis by putting a stop to the Florida Supreme Court's decision to extend the time for certifying the vote past the period set by state law.

But by the time the Court began hearing arguments in the appeal on December 1, the certification had already occurred. The embarrassed justices sent the case back down to the Florida Supreme Court, instructing the lower court to rewrite its opinion so that it would not create a conflict between state and federal law.

A week later, the Florida Supreme Court ordered a statewide recount of ballots. Unlike its earlier decision, however, this one was not unanimous. With the Florida justices split 4-3, the U.S. Supreme Court once again exercised its discretionary appellate review jurisdiction and granted certiorari, or review, to Bush v. Gore.

The day after the Florida Supreme Court had ordered a recount, the U.S. Supreme Court granted a temporary stay, or delay, in enforcing the Florida Supreme Court's order. The U.S. Supreme Court justices, too, were narrowly divided, 5-4. The five justices voting in favor of the stay were the same five conservatives who had been moving the Rehnquist Court to the right for more than a decade.





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RE: Conservative Blogger Urges Obama Assassination on T... - 3/23/2010 2:08:02 PM   
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Only if we also get to include Illinois in that discussion, and more particularly Cook County.


Yeah Thadius, I know you think everything in Chicago politics is corrupt, but as far as I know there were no voting irregularities there in the 2000 election.

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RE: Conservative Blogger Urges Obama Assassination on T... - 3/23/2010 2:45:51 PM   
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Only if we also get to include Illinois in that discussion, and more particularly Cook County.


Yeah Thadius, I know you think everything in Chicago politics is corrupt, but as far as I know there were no voting irregularities there in the 2000 election.


There are what most of the country would consider voting irregularities in every election in Cook County. I personally can testify to at least 2 votes that were cast in 2000 that were done so illegally. I know for a fact they were not cast by the 2 people. How do I know? I was an election judge that year, in my home precinct, I noticed that my grandparents names were still on the books and they had moved to Nevada 5 years prior. By the end of the night when we were counting and verifying, I noticed that somebody had signed their names on the sheets. I reported it, and was told that I must be mistaken, or that my grandparents must have come in and voted. Needless to say, that is quite normal for the way close elections are held in that county. The old saying is "Vote early, vote often." Hell the dead still vote in Chicago and the suburbs. You think I am kidding, do some quick research on the Kennedy election and some mysterious ballot boxes disappearing and then others reappearing with just enough votes to throw him over the top.

There is a quote from Old man Daley before Kennedy got into the race, when the DNC was trying to get him to run. He said "Are you kidding, being mayor of Chicago I have more power than any president will ever have."

The nickname "Windy City" refers to the politicians not the weather....

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RE: Conservative Blogger Urges Obama Assassination on T... - 3/23/2010 6:08:11 PM   
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I find this assumption that even an incompetent lying piece of shit is deserving of respect, purely because he won an election pretty troubling myself. (The fact that it only seems to apply if said politician is from the party you favour yourself is arguably more funny than troubling, but that's just human nature.) I'm at least showing some consistency here, unlike those who are getting arsey when anything nasty's said about Obama or forgot all about this "l'etat c'est moi?" crap they were spouting about Bush the second a black Democrat got elected. The sudden role reversal at the end of '08 was breathtaking. Maybe it's a UK thing: you'd probably get sectioned under the mental health act if you were caught showing any respect for a politician of any stripe over here.
As for the Kenyan/n****r thing, do they not have sarcasm on your side of the Atlantic? I always thought Mark Twain and Matt Groening were masters of that. If the Republicans and teabaggers on the forum don't have the backbone to say what they're thinking and what's at the root of their whining about Obama, they should shut up. I don't remember hearing even half of the crap that's been thrown at Obama said about Clinton or Carter, put it that way.
Still, as there seems to be people on here stupid enough to take that seriously, I'd better leave it out in future.

As for similar positions being imbued with respect, does that include the positions held by (say) Saddam Hussein or Mohammed Mossadeq? It's a bit of a cheek somebody in a country that's happy to dispose other nation's leaders at the drop of a hat complaining about the respect due to political leaders, is it not?



I have explained this to various subjects of the UK in the past, (though none quite so gleeful in their slimyness and lack of character).  POTUS is not merely the temporary head of our government, but also the symbolic head of our state.  Perhaps you can wrap your little mind around imagining the reception a visitor to whatever shattered little remnant of an empire you wait to die in would receive by wandering around refering to your queen as "that ugly old german cunt."  Hardly a perfect analogy, but enough for some to catch a clue.

Or do you folks like it when Americans do that?  Free speech is a rare and precious thing, Moon, but remember as you enjoy it, that we are free to make judgements about you from what you say. 

Run along.

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RE: Conservative Blogger Urges Obama Assassination on T... - 3/23/2010 7:55:12 PM   
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Somebody wants to assassinate the President? That's a new one.

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RE: Conservative Blogger Urges Obama Assassination on T... - 3/24/2010 2:23:00 AM   
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I have explained this to various subjects of the UK in the past, (though none quite so gleeful in their slimyness and lack of character).  POTUS is not merely the temporary head of our government, but also the symbolic head of our state.  Perhaps you can wrap your little mind around imagining the reception a visitor to whatever shattered little remnant of an empire you wait to die in would receive by wandering around refering to your queen as "that ugly old german cunt."  Hardly a perfect analogy, but enough for some to catch a clue.

Or do you folks like it when Americans do that?  Free speech is a rare and precious thing, Moon, but remember as you enjoy it, that we are free to make judgements about you from what you say. 

Run along.

Actually the overpaid German bitch is just there to bring in tourists, and most of the country who don't read the red tops would be quite happy to see her gone.
But still, you're not a man to let the facts stand in the way of an argument, are you?

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RE: Conservative Blogger Urges Obama Assassination on T... - 3/24/2010 3:20:25 AM   
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Actually the overpaid German bitch is just there to bring in tourists, and most of the country who don't read the red tops would be quite happy to see her gone.
But still, you're not a man to let the facts stand in the way of an argument, are you?


Actually, you are quite wrong. Recent polls have shown there isnt a huge desire to end the monarchy, although many would like to see some sort of reform.

12% is hardly "most of the country"  Please note this isnt a poll from a red top either.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/poll-reveals-big-rise-in-support-for-monarchy-656892.html

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RE: Conservative Blogger Urges Obama Assassination on T... - 3/24/2010 5:20:06 AM   
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Actually the overpaid German bitch is just there to bring in tourists, and most of the country who don't read the red tops would be quite happy to see her gone.
But still, you're not a man to let the facts stand in the way of an argument, are you?


Actually, you are quite wrong. Recent polls have shown there isnt a huge desire to end the monarchy, although many would like to see some sort of reform.

12% is hardly "most of the country"  Please note this isnt a poll from a red top either.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/poll-reveals-big-rise-in-support-for-monarchy-656892.html

I didn't say that there was an active desire to see her gone, just that few people give enough of a shit to care one way or the other, which isn't quite the same thing. I did say "quite happy to see her gone" not "want to see her carried off to the guillotine in a tumbril", after all.
Sorry I didn't make that clear, though.

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RE: Conservative Blogger Urges Obama Assassination on T... - 3/24/2010 6:28:21 AM   
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You're certainly not going to let the facts stand in the way of an argument, are you, Moon?

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RE: Conservative Blogger Urges Obama Assassination on T... - 3/24/2010 8:31:38 AM   
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Gosh, Oscar fucking Wilde is on the mic.

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RE: Conservative Blogger Urges Obama Assassination on T... - 3/24/2010 9:36:47 AM   
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You're certainly not going to let the facts stand in the way of an argument, are you, Moon?



Moon did make one point though that i didn't see you answer. for myself i can get how the office, not the incumbent can be respected.....especially when the office is that of Head of State. However, Americans do not have an enormously good record of respecting the office of Heads of other States. Do as you would be done by?

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RE: Conservative Blogger Urges Obama Assassination on T... - 3/24/2010 10:18:58 AM   
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Posters whining about not being able to find the health care bill online  aren't likely to know who other states of head are.
therefore little respect even for themselves or others.
However, the ones here that are respectable, knowledgeable are in a minority it seems


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RE: Conservative Blogger Urges Obama Assassination on T... - 3/24/2010 3:20:06 PM   
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This is only a Chicago thug pretending to be someone important, backed by a lying gang of socialist trash...he will never hold anything approaching respect...he is a piece of shit... period...nothing more.....

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RE: Conservative Blogger Urges Obama Assassination on T... - 3/24/2010 3:23:34 PM   
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This is only a Chicago thug pretending to be someone important, backed by a lying gang of socialist trash...he will never hold anything approaching respect...he is a piece of shit... period...nothing more.....


While you, have everyones respect. 

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RE: Conservative Blogger Urges Obama Assassination on T... - 3/24/2010 3:45:49 PM   
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Certainly he has gained mine.What with all of his insightful,thoughtful and well crafted posts,how could one help but to grant him respect

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RE: Conservative Blogger Urges Obama Assassination on T... - 3/24/2010 4:48:54 PM   
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I think he likes me, he didnt threaten to feed me to the gators.
My life is now complete, yay me



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RE: Conservative Blogger Urges Obama Assassination on T... - 3/24/2010 5:38:26 PM   
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Well!!  * huff huff *

I regarded it a privilege to be threatened with the gators!

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RE: Conservative Blogger Urges Obama Assassination on T... - 3/24/2010 5:43:04 PM   
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I think he likes me, he didnt threaten to feed me to the gators.
My life is now complete, yay me




Maybe they dont eat Penguins.

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RE: Conservative Blogger Urges Obama Assassination on T... - 3/24/2010 6:53:49 PM   
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This is only a Chicago thug pretending to be someone important, backed by a lying gang of socialist trash...he will never hold anything approaching respect...he is a piece of shit... period...nothing more.....



Cucky, please note my comments to Moonhead along this thread.  Just because the liberals showed themselves for slimy gutter-trash during the Bush II years is no reason for conservatives to sink to their level.  It is very easy to question, criticize and challenge the current administration without hate-speech.

Unless you just want to be another piece of gutter-trash.  That's cool too, but we'll place your credibility and interest level accordingly.

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