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servantforuse -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/22/2010 5:59:57 PM)

I don't see the difference. They both resigned before their term expired, but it was wrong for Sarah Pailn to do so. Had McCain won the election she would have resigned anyway.




slvemike4u -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/22/2010 6:00:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Sarah also got a better job offer. She is making a lot more money than Obama is. Just another double standard from the left..
Servant you are making a joke of yourself....it is disturbing.




Elisabella -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/22/2010 6:01:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

I don't see the difference. They both resigned before their term expired, but it was wrong for Sarah Pailn to do so. Had McCain won the election she would have resigned anyway.


Resigning because it coincides with the beginning of a campaign for another public office is different from resigning because you don't want to do your job anymore.




Lucylastic -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/22/2010 6:01:36 PM)

earning more money makes her a better person? In whose world?
Thank god not mine.




servantforuse -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/22/2010 6:01:46 PM)

Explain the difference.




Elisabella -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/22/2010 6:05:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Explain the difference.


One continues to serve the people of the US through public office, the other serves only the individual herself.

The fact that you're framing this in terms of "earning more money" is pretty demonstrative of that fact.

ETA - also, going from Senator to President is like a promotion, you're still with the same company. Nobody says someone quit their job as a stockboy to become a cashier at THE SAME SUPERMARKET.




slvemike4u -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/22/2010 6:05:28 PM)

What would an explanation matter...you have some monumental blinders on...




thornhappy -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/22/2010 6:13:09 PM)

I vote for Dunn to go back to school and learn more adjectives. 

Duplicitous/duplicity wears on one after so many repetitions.




tazzygirl -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/22/2010 9:39:42 PM)

You are an idiot. Those counsiling sessions occur everyday. ALL the proposed bill was allowing was the Drs to actually be PAID for those counseling sessions, instead of having to try and jam them into a Dr's visit. people like you, and palin, are idiots because you have no clue what you are talking about. but, then again, she is an EXPERT on having all her personal demons exercised from her body! talk about a whack job!




domroomiesneeded -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/22/2010 9:50:38 PM)

You are a moron. Those counselling sessions were done by govt bureaucrats to encourage old people and people with "imperfect children" a la Trig Palin that so many rage against because Palin didnt kill "that inconvenience".

People like you are insanely jealous of Sarah Palin, are bleeping idiots, and have no idea what you are talking about....but then again you and Uhbamuh are EXPERTS on everything, like the 57 states in the US, Austrians who speak Austrian, Afghanis who speak Arabic, children needing breathalyzers, etc etc etc

Talk about a moron! Go back to watching SNL and Jon Stewart for your "news", like 49% of the dumb bell Donkeys do!




slvemike4u -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/22/2010 9:52:00 PM)

Tazzy,calling him an "idiot" was actually insulting to run of the  mill idiots.One needs find a much more colorful name for the likes of him.




domiguy -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/22/2010 9:55:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: domroomiesneeded

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Palin -- whose duplicitous allegation of "death panels"

Actually Palin was spot on about the govt bureaucrats "end of life counselling"
God Bless this patriot woman, the ultimate feminist, this woman who had more executive experience than anyone in the 2008 US election--especially compared to the Empty Suit Affirmative Action moron President who has never had a real job in his entire life.




If you think that Palin had more experience you are a complete moron....An idiot a boob.

Palin is a joke. She possibly cost you the election because she was so inept. I don't mind the fact that you are a republican, there are a lot of you folks running around out there.

If you think that Palin is any type of a admirable figure you are not worthy of debate and your opinions in the future should be highly questioned because of your obvious inability at reaching a rational conclusion.




domiguy -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/22/2010 9:57:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: domroomiesneeded

You are a moron. Those counselling sessions were done by govt bureaucrats to encourage old people and people with "imperfect children" a la Trig Palin that so many rage against because Palin didnt kill "that inconvenience".

People like you are insanely jealous of Sarah Palin, are bleeping idiots, and have no idea what you are talking about....but then again you and Uhbamuh are EXPERTS on everything, like the 57 states in the US, Austrians who speak Austrian, Afghanis who speak Arabic, children needing breathalyzers, etc etc etc

Talk about a moron! Go back to watching SNL and Jon Stewart for your "news", like 49% of the dumb bell Donkeys do!

Just another Canadian slave that wants to get beat up buy an American moron.




slvemike4u -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/22/2010 9:58:55 PM)

Much better Domi Guy....we are getting close anyway.




tazzygirl -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/22/2010 10:01:10 PM)

rofl

this is where your ignorance is showing. Those counseling sessions included health care power of attorney discussions, living wills, what steps to take to protect your children from having to make the decision for you. Or, in other words, Advanced Directives.

The oldest is the living will, dating back to 1969. Shocking!

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A living will usually provides specific directives about the course of treatment that is to be followed by health care providers and caregivers. In some cases a living will may forbid the use of various kinds of burdensome medical treatment. It may also be used to express wishes about the use or foregoing of food and water, if supplied via tubes or other medical devices. The living will is used only if the individual has become unable to give informed consent or refusal due to incapacity. A living will can be very specific or very general. An example of a statement sometimes found in a living will is: “If I suffer an incurable, irreversible illness, disease, or condition and my attending physician determines that my condition is terminal, I direct that life-sustaining measures that would serve only to prolong my dying be withheld or discontinued.”

More specific living wills may include information regarding an individual's desire for such services such as analgesia (pain relief), antibiotics, hydration, feeding, and the use of ventilators or cardiopulmonary resuscitation. However, studies have also shown that adults are more likely to complete these documents if they are written in everyday language and less focused on technical treatments.[21]

Living wills proved to be very popular, and by 2007, 41% of Americans had completed a living will.[22] In response to public needs, state legislatures soon passed laws in support of living wills in virtually every state in the union.[23]

However, by the late 1980s public advocacy groups became aware that many people remained unaware of advance directives[24] and even fewer actually completed them.[25][26] In part, this was seen as a failure of health care providers and medical organizations to promote and support the use of these documents.[27] The public’s response was to press for further legislative support. The most recent result was the Patient Self-Determination Act of 1990,[28] which attempted to address this awareness problem by requiring health care institutions to better promote and support the use of advance directives.[23][29]

However, as living wills began to be better recognized, key deficits were soon discovered. Most living wills tended to be limited in scope[30] and often failed to fully address presenting problems and needs.[31][32] Further, many individuals wrote out their wishes in ways that might conflict with quality medical practice.[33] Ultimately, it was determined that a living will alone might be insufficient to address many important health care decisions. This led to the development of what some have called “second generation” advance directives[30] – the “health care proxy appointment” or “medical power of attorney.”


The HORROR!!!

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United States
In the United States, most states recognize living wills or the designation of a health care proxy.[97] For example California does not recognize a living will but instead uses an Advanced Health Care Directive.[98] However, a "report card" issued by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation in 2002 concluded that only seven states deserved an "A" for meeting the standards of the model Uniform Rights of the Terminally Ill Act.[99] Surveys show that one-third of Americans say they've had to make decisions about end-of-life care for a loved one.[100]

In Pennsylvania on Nov. 30, 2006, Governor Edward Rendell signed into law Act 169, which provides a comprehensive statutory framework governing advance health care directives and health care decision-making for incompetent patients.[101] As a result, health care organizations make available a "Combined Living Will & Health Care Power of Attorney Example Form from Pennsylvania Act 169 of 2006."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance_health_care_directive

All the bill did was provide an avenue for Physicians to set aside time to talk to their patients without having to rush through an exam... and for the Drs to actually get paid for that consultation. My god!!! with the way the republican party has been screaming about Drs losing money, you would think this one part would make you happy!

Amazing how all these directives and legal paperwork was all in effect long before Obama took office, yet you are just NOW screaming about death panels?

Shit or get off the pot. you cant have it both ways.




domiguy -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/22/2010 10:13:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: domroomiesneeded

Those counselling sessions were done by govt bureaucrats to encourage old people and people with "imperfect children" a la Trig Palin that so many rage against because Palin didnt kill "that inconvenience".


A complete fucking ass clown. You shouldn't be able to post that kind of crud and get off without being crucified.

The mounties should hunt him down and tie him to some railroad tracks. Do they have trains in Canada?




slvemike4u -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/22/2010 10:16:33 PM)

Shit Domi,it would follow that if they have railrod tracks they damm well should have trains.....I mean what the fuck use are tracks.....without trains.




Elisabella -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/22/2010 10:47:58 PM)

Are you fucking kidding me with that picture?

Look normally I'm all about the right to be offensive but making political arguments based on Jim Crow stereotypes is just disgusting.




slvemike4u -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/22/2010 11:05:30 PM)

Please, to some of our resident haters "disgusting" is their default position.But you are right the racial overtones are particularly offensive....it would be nice to see some others,perhaps ones who don't agree with President Obama's policies go on the record concerning that particular post.




domroomiesneeded -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/22/2010 11:08:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Tazzy,calling him an "idiot" was actually insulting to run of the  mill idiots.One needs find a much more colorful name for the likes of him.

What an intelligent reply!
Let me take a wild guess!
You're a liberal, right?




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