RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (Full Version)

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion



Message


Elisabella -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/22/2010 11:08:50 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Please, to some of our resident haters "disgusting" is their default position.But you are right the racial overtones are particularly offensive....it would be nice to see some others,perhaps ones who don't agree with President Obama's policies go on the record concerning that particular post.


Agreed. I didn't vote for him, I'm happy to admit I was wrong about him being all talk and no action, so I might be as close as it gets, but I really feel bad for normal conservatives who have their politics tainted by association with this bullshit.




domroomiesneeded -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/22/2010 11:17:11 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy


quote:

ORIGINAL: domroomiesneeded

quote:

Palin -- whose duplicitous allegation of "death panels"

Actually Palin was spot on about the govt bureaucrats "end of life counselling"
God Bless this patriot woman, the ultimate feminist, this woman who had more executive experience than anyone in the 2008 US election--especially compared to the Empty Suit Affirmative Action moron President who has never had a real job in his entire life.




If you think that Palin had more experience you are a complete moron....An idiot a boob.

Palin is a joke. She possibly cost you the election because she was so inept. I don't mind the fact that you are a republican, there are a lot of you folks running around out there.

If you think that Palin is any type of a admirable figure you are not worthy of debate and your opinions in the future should be highly questioned because of your obvious inability at reaching a rational conclusion.

You're an utter idiot, a moron, a buffoon.

FACT (THOSE PESKY LITTLE THINGS THAT KNUCKLE DRAGGING LIBTARDS HATE):

Sarah Palin has a long record of achievement and experience in public office. Prior to her election as governor, Palin served two terms on the Wasilla City Council, and two terms as the mayor of Wasilla. During her tenure, she reduced property tax levels while increasing services and made Wasilla a business-friendly environment, drawing in new industry.

Under her leadership as governor, Alaska invested $5 billion in state savings, overhauled education funding and protected Alaska’s natural resources. She created Alaska’s Petroleum Systems Integrity Office to provide oversight and maintenance of oil and gas equipment, facilities and infrastructure, and the Climate Change Subcabinet to prepare a climate change strategy for Alaska. During Gov. Palin’s first year in office, three of her administration’s major proposed pieces of legislation passed—an overhaul of the state’s ethics laws, a competitive process to construct a natural gas pipeline and a restructuring of Alaska’s oil valuation formula.

Sarah Palin is past chair of the Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission, a multistate government agency that promotes the conservation and efficient recovery of domestic oil and natural gas resources while protecting health, safety and the environment. She also served as chair of the National Governors Association (NGA) Natural Resources Committee, which was charged with pursuing legislation to ensure state needs are considered as federal policy is formulated in the areas of agriculture, energy, environmental protection and natural resource management.

AND DEAR READER'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS?

Uh, he was a community organizer but liberals voted for him to atone for their long sordid history of racism.

How's that hopey changey thing working for ya?

Idiot!




slvemike4u -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/22/2010 11:24:19 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: domroomiesneeded

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Tazzy,calling him an "idiot" was actually insulting to run of the  mill idiots.One needs find a much more colorful name for the likes of him.

What an intelligent reply!
Let me take a wild guess!
You're a liberal, right?
Actually you fucking idiot....I'm simply a decent man.I'll let your words and posts draw their own ugly picture as to what and who you are.




Elisabella -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/22/2010 11:27:10 PM)

quote:

AND DEAR READER'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS?

Uh, he was a community organizer but liberals voted for him to atone for their long sordid history of racism.


Obama was a state Senator for three terms, a US Senator for one term, and is now the President of the US. He's an Ivy League graduate, a licensed attorney, and taught constitutional law at one of the top law schools in the United States.

And for the record, the district he represented in the IL Senate had a majority black population, not a majority "guilty liberal" population.




domroomiesneeded -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/22/2010 11:27:49 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

rofl

this is where your ignorance is showing. Those counseling sessions included health care power of attorney discussions, living wills, what steps to take to protect your children from having to make the decision for you. Or, in other words, Advanced Directives.

The oldest is the living will, dating back to 1969. Shocking!

quote:

A living will usually provides specific directives about the course of treatment that is to be followed by health care providers and caregivers. In some cases a living will may forbid the use of various kinds of burdensome medical treatment. It may also be used to express wishes about the use or foregoing of food and water, if supplied via tubes or other medical devices. The living will is used only if the individual has become unable to give informed consent or refusal due to incapacity. A living will can be very specific or very general. An example of a statement sometimes found in a living will is: “If I suffer an incurable, irreversible illness, disease, or condition and my attending physician determines that my condition is terminal, I direct that life-sustaining measures that would serve only to prolong my dying be withheld or discontinued.”

More specific living wills may include information regarding an individual's desire for such services such as analgesia (pain relief), antibiotics, hydration, feeding, and the use of ventilators or cardiopulmonary resuscitation. However, studies have also shown that adults are more likely to complete these documents if they are written in everyday language and less focused on technical treatments.[21]

Living wills proved to be very popular, and by 2007, 41% of Americans had completed a living will.[22] In response to public needs, state legislatures soon passed laws in support of living wills in virtually every state in the union.[23]

However, by the late 1980s public advocacy groups became aware that many people remained unaware of advance directives[24] and even fewer actually completed them.[25][26] In part, this was seen as a failure of health care providers and medical organizations to promote and support the use of these documents.[27] The public’s response was to press for further legislative support. The most recent result was the Patient Self-Determination Act of 1990,[28] which attempted to address this awareness problem by requiring health care institutions to better promote and support the use of advance directives.[23][29]

However, as living wills began to be better recognized, key deficits were soon discovered. Most living wills tended to be limited in scope[30] and often failed to fully address presenting problems and needs.[31][32] Further, many individuals wrote out their wishes in ways that might conflict with quality medical practice.[33] Ultimately, it was determined that a living will alone might be insufficient to address many important health care decisions. This led to the development of what some have called “second generation” advance directives[30] – the “health care proxy appointment” or “medical power of attorney.”


The HORROR!!!

quote:

United States
In the United States, most states recognize living wills or the designation of a health care proxy.[97] For example California does not recognize a living will but instead uses an Advanced Health Care Directive.[98] However, a "report card" issued by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation in 2002 concluded that only seven states deserved an "A" for meeting the standards of the model Uniform Rights of the Terminally Ill Act.[99] Surveys show that one-third of Americans say they've had to make decisions about end-of-life care for a loved one.[100]

In Pennsylvania on Nov. 30, 2006, Governor Edward Rendell signed into law Act 169, which provides a comprehensive statutory framework governing advance health care directives and health care decision-making for incompetent patients.[101] As a result, health care organizations make available a "Combined Living Will & Health Care Power of Attorney Example Form from Pennsylvania Act 169 of 2006."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance_health_care_directive

All the bill did was provide an avenue for Physicians to set aside time to talk to their patients without having to rush through an exam... and for the Drs to actually get paid for that consultation. My god!!! with the way the republican party has been screaming about Drs losing money, you would think this one part would make you happy!

Amazing how all these directives and legal paperwork was all in effect long before Obama took office, yet you are just NOW screaming about death panels?

Shit or get off the pot. you cant have it both ways.

WIKIPEDIA? BWAHAHAHAHA!
OMG, are you really that naive? Did you write that Wikipedia entry yourself?

FACT: The Democrat Death Cult had end-of-life counselling in this 2700 page bill--until called out by Sarah Palin. Then they meekly pulled the 'death panels' from the bill when confronted by the truth teller--Sarah Palin.

Here's the link to the bill instead of your silly link by the UK leftwing owned Wikipedia (IOW extreme leftwing--Wiki still claims that CNN has higher ratings than FOX New. lol)
Read it and weep




domroomiesneeded -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/22/2010 11:29:57 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy


quote:

ORIGINAL: domroomiesneeded

You are a moron. Those counselling sessions were done by govt bureaucrats to encourage old people and people with "imperfect children" a la Trig Palin that so many rage against because Palin didnt kill "that inconvenience".

People like you are insanely jealous of Sarah Palin, are bleeping idiots, and have no idea what you are talking about....but then again you and Uhbamuh are EXPERTS on everything, like the 57 states in the US, Austrians who speak Austrian, Afghanis who speak Arabic, children needing breathalyzers, etc etc etc

Talk about a moron! Go back to watching SNL and Jon Stewart for your "news", like 49% of the dumb bell Donkeys do!

Just another Canadian slave that wants to get beat up buy an American moron.

Just another Chicago politico thug who thinks the rest of the world is as corrupt as Chicago politics.....




domroomiesneeded -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/22/2010 11:33:25 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

quote:

ORIGINAL: domroomiesneeded

Those counselling sessions were done by govt bureaucrats to encourage old people and people with "imperfect children" a la Trig Palin that so many rage against because Palin didnt kill "that inconvenience".


A complete fucking ass clown. You shouldn't be able to post that kind of crud and get off without being crucified.

The mounties should hunt him down and tie him to some railroad tracks. Do they have trains in Canada?

domiguy--having a thermonuclear weapon shoved completely up your arse may cure that implacable case of cranial-rectitus from which you suffer.




slvemike4u -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/22/2010 11:35:22 PM)

Elisabela,it distresses me to watch you try to "debate" and converse with the likes of him...using nothing more than logic and reason.I'm sorry,but you do seem to be someone with intelligence and a good deal of class unfortunately with this sort of pond scum your obvious attributes will not serve you well.
You are of course free to keep trying,I certainly do not mean to imply otherwise....I just hate to see your efforts wasted on this sad excuse for a "man"..."pearls before swine" and all of that




domroomiesneeded -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/22/2010 11:35:59 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Elisabella

Are you fucking kidding me with that picture?

Look normally I'm all about the right to be offensive but making political arguments based on Jim Crow stereotypes is just disgusting.

When the intellectually challenged cannot debate facts, they scream racism.

FFS--It's old and worn out. Give it up, you race pimp!




domiguy -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/22/2010 11:36:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: domroomiesneeded


quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

quote:

ORIGINAL: domroomiesneeded

Those counselling sessions were done by govt bureaucrats to encourage old people and people with "imperfect children" a la Trig Palin that so many rage against because Palin didnt kill "that inconvenience".


A complete fucking ass clown. You shouldn't be able to post that kind of crud and get off without being crucified.

The mounties should hunt him down and tie him to some railroad tracks. Do they have trains in Canada?

domiguy--having a thermonuclear weapon shoved completely up your arse may cure that implacable case of cranial-rectitus from which you suffer.


Blah blah blah....Go back into your bedroom until you have been summoned. Little cute subby boys like yourself are to be seen and not heard from.

Turd.




Elisabella -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/22/2010 11:38:07 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: domroomiesneeded

When the intellectually challenged cannot debate facts, they scream racism.

FFS--It's old and worn out. Give it up, you race pimp!


Look up a couple posts, there are quite a few facts there.

But since we're on the subject of facts, would you mind linking to me when and where Obama had a job as a bootblack? Since this is about facts, and not propaganda, I assume the picture was based in truth?

No?




Brain -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/23/2010 1:27:47 AM)

Tazz, don't waste your time on him, he's so deluded and brainwashed with Kool-aid he's hopeless.


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

You are an idiot. Those counsiling sessions occur everyday. ALL the proposed bill was allowing was the Drs to actually be PAID for those counseling sessions, instead of having to try and jam them into a Dr's visit. people like you, and palin, are idiots because you have no clue what you are talking about. but, then again, she is an EXPERT on having all her personal demons exercised from her body! talk about a whack job!




subrob1967 -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/23/2010 4:12:13 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brain

Tazz, don't waste your time on him, he's so deluded and brainwashed with Kool-aid he's hopeless.



Priceless[:D]




tazzygirl -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/23/2010 4:54:14 AM)

That link is as dead as your brain. I used wiki because it was the closest source to your IQ level.

Since you cant seem to find the information onn your own, here is your best link.

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu7DEqahLvOUA1rtXNyoA?p=advanced+health+care+directives&fr2=sb-top&fr=slv8-iobit&sao=2

And here is one where you can download your states directives. [:D]

http://www.caringinfo.org/stateaddownload

Oh and lookee.... 2007 as the copyright for that sight. Yup, Obama was working hard back then too. Knew enough that he would be president so he initiated all those death panels early on.

As far as Palin's ability to run a government... thats why she tried to fire the Librarian for not banning the books Palin objected too... the same Librarian who was also President of the Alaska Library Association. The twit is a power hungry little vipor with more ass then brains and isnt getting it that everyone rises to their own level of inadequacy, and she has hit her own. Palin has become the national joke and will never be anything more than she is at this moment... something for both parties to actually agree upon... fuckable (by some accounts) but beyond that, not worth a piss.




cadenas -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/23/2010 5:49:18 AM)

You know, I think he is writing satire here. An actual human being just can't say these things with a straight face and mean them. Physically impossible.

But, BTW, while Palin really seems to be pretty bad, it seems that the story with the fired librarian may not actually hold water.

It might be better to point out her corruption and nepotism.

And it may also be worth mentioning that major of a suburb, population 5,500 may not be the best qualification for leader of the free world. Nor is governor of a tiny state with a population less than Indianapolis, IN.

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

That link is as dead as your brain. I used wiki because it was the closest source to your IQ level.

Since you cant seem to find the information onn your own, here is your best link.

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu7DEqahLvOUA1rtXNyoA?p=advanced+health+care+directives&fr2=sb-top&fr=slv8-iobit&sao=2

And here is one where you can download your states directives. [:D]

http://www.caringinfo.org/stateaddownload

Oh and lookee.... 2007 as the copyright for that sight. Yup, Obama was working hard back then too. Knew enough that he would be president so he initiated all those death panels early on.

As far as Palin's ability to run a government... thats why she tried to fire the Librarian for not banning the books Palin objected too... the same Librarian who was also President of the Alaska Library Association. The twit is a power hungry little vipor with more ass then brains and isnt getting it that everyone rises to their own level of inadequacy, and she has hit her own. Palin has become the national joke and will never be anything more than she is at this moment... something for both parties to actually agree upon... fuckable (by some accounts) but beyond that, not worth a piss.




tazzygirl -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/23/2010 6:06:58 AM)

I didnt point out the size of either.

The librarian wasnt fired in the end.

And the story held lots of water, still does.

And Reagan was an actor, Carter a peanut farmer, Lincoln a lawyer (wow, talk about a parallel there!)




thompsonx -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/23/2010 8:58:41 AM)

She created Alaska’s  Climate Change Subcabinet to prepare a climate change strategy for Alaska.

I am pretty sure she said she did not believe in global warming so why did she do this?




rulemylife -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/23/2010 9:31:47 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Barack Obama resigned his position as a jr. senator from Illinois before his term ended. I guess it's ok for him to do so but not anyone else.


Are you fucking kidding me?

There is absolutely no comparison between someone moving on to higher office and Palin just deciding "I don't think I like this job anymore".




Blackburn -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/23/2010 3:27:27 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: domroomiesneeded


quote:

ORIGINAL: Elisabella

Are you fucking kidding me with that picture?

Look normally I'm all about the right to be offensive but making political arguments based on Jim Crow stereotypes is just disgusting.

When the intellectually challenged cannot debate facts, they scream racism.

FFS--It's old and worn out. Give it up, you race pimp!


Wow. This guy had me fooled - I thought he was for real. I didn't realize he was the right's answer to Domiguy, but without the funny. Or the insight. Or the intelligence. But he certainly has the inflammatory rhetoric down pat!

By espousing the harshest opinions of the fanatic fringe of the right, he makes point after superb point - for the left (or at least the center). Kind of like invalidating an argument by taking it to the logical extreme.

So, my hat's off to you, Roomieguy. I really did get suckered - I thought you believed the shite you wrote. Until this. It is so perfect that I can only assume you have created a brilliant parody of "yourself". Cool!




Lucylastic -> RE: Palin's Latest Health Care Lie (3/23/2010 7:00:58 PM)

[sm=yourock.gif] Blackburn, I agree with ya




Page: <<   < prev  1 2 [3] 4   next >   >>

Valid CSS!




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy
0.0625