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RE: Any bike riders out there? Advice pls? - 3/23/2010 10:21:18 PM   
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I have a Giant road bike. Yes, that's the brand name. I find it to be a great value for the money. Based on what you're looking for I would recommend this one.

http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-US/bikes/model/escape.1.w.2011/6967/43120/



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RE: Any bike riders out there? Advice pls? - 3/23/2010 10:48:09 PM   
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My friend was having technical difficulties and couldn't get on here. But this is what he said:

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Tell her your friend says to look for a used hybrid or even a used cyclocross bike. Cyclocross bikes are very versatile.


And he's in awesome shape! Oh, what abs that man has!

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RE: Any bike riders out there? Advice pls? - 3/23/2010 11:13:21 PM   
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So do you have any recommendations as to what type of bike i should look into? I have no clue where to even start without getting overwhelming info from bike places. I will do research, i just need some direction as to what i should be considering.



I love bikes! I used to do about 300 miles a week until my health went to hell, and now I rarely do more than 100 in the summer or 50 a week in the winter. I still love 'em though. I have 6 or 7. Only a couple that I ride regularly, but I hate to part with one I like, so I've got a storage locker half filled with bicycles. A sleek silver Peugeot that looks like a greyhound, that I used to race, a couple of other road bikes, 2 mountain bikes, and 2 cross bikes or hybrids. I love 'em all for different reasons, and I'll tell you a little about the differences and the pros and cons of each.

First, you'll probably be choosing from about 4 basic styles - the cruisers you see pictured above, a road bike (the classic 10-speed design you grew up with) , a mountain bike, or a hybrid (also sometimes called a cross bike.) I don't know anything about the cruisers, so I won't talk about them. I'll break down the other 3 for you.

Road Bikes

Pros - light, fast, easy to ride for longer distances. Thin, high-pressure tires (usually around 90 psi) have very little rolling resistance, larger diameter wheels let you chew up big stretches of road with less effort. All in all, the most efficient bike to pedal, once you get it up to cruising speed.

Cons - those thin, hard tires transmit a lot of shock not only to your ass but to your upper body as well. The design of the bike means you'll spend most of your time leaning forward onto the handle bars, so some amount of road shock will go straight to your hands, wrists, elbows, arms, shoulders, and upper back, especially if the bike is not sized properly. It's something you can get used to, and most people do, but just be aware that it's an issue. Learning proper posture and getting a good pair of gel gloves will help considerably, along with padded sleeves for the handle bars.

Also, that road shock will be hell on the wheels if the roads are rough where you are. If you're carrying any weight at all, you can bend a lot of wheels and break a lot of spokes on rough roads. That's why I never even drag the 12-speed out of the garage any more except for the days when i just want to go really fucking fast. I just get tired of truing the damned wheels every 50 miles.

Geared for speed, especially on flat terrain. Not terribly user-friendly for hilly terrain or stop-and-go urban riding, not all that maneuverable in city traffic.

High center of gravity makes them a little unstable at really low speeds, such as you'll often find in city traffic. If you're wearing clips, it can be a real pain yanking your foot out of the pedal really quickly every couple of minutes when you have to make a sudden stop and plant your foot to stabilize the bike.

Some people with bad backs don't adjust to the forward-leaning seating position on road bikes, but I never had a problem with it, and I've had a disc removed from my lower back from a hockey injury. It's different for everyone, though, so be aware that it could be an issue. A properly-sized bike, with proper seat and bar heights, can minimize this problem.

Mountain Bikes

Pros - tough, rugged, take a hell of a beating on even the roughest roads. Upright seating position is more comfortable for some people. Much easier to maneuver in city traffic, and the smaller diameter wheels and lower gearing are much more conducive to low-speed, stop-and-go urban riding. Quick and easy to put a foot down if you have to stop suddenly in traffic. Much more stable at low speeds, if you have a well-made bike (don't buy one from Target!) You'll usually find a lot of options for shock absorption, more so than on road bikes. Soft, wide, knobby tires offer great traction, good winter bike.

Cons - heavy bike. A small woman won't enjoy lugging it up and down 4 flights of stairs. The wide, soft tires (usually around 40-45 psi) wear you out a lot faster with their greater rolling resistance, and the smaller-diameter wheels plus the lower gearing make this the least-efficient style to pedal. 30 miles on a road bike, I don't even feel it; 30 miles on a mountain bike, I feel like I rode 30 miles.

Cross Bike/Hybrid

A good compromise bike. Not as fast and sleek as a road bike, but much more durable and rugged. Not as durable and rugged as a mountain bike, but tough enough that you won't bend a wheel every time you run over a tar strip. Tires are usually around 65-80 psi, (softer than a road bike, harder than a mountain bike) and a little wider than a road bike but narrower than a mountain bike. You'll have a decent amount of comfort in your ride, but the tires are hard enough that you won't feel like you're trying to pedal through wet concrete. Seating position is more upright than a road bike, so it'll be easier on  your arms and upper back, but with enough of a forward lean that you'll be able to maximize your pedaling efficiency on long rides (leaning forward gives you more leverage on a larger-frame bike, and gives you much better leg extension). Wheel diameter is much closer to a road bike than a mountain bike, but the gearing is usually similar enough to a mountain bike that you'll enjoy the hills and the stop-and-go city traffic much more than you would on a road bike. Pretty maneuverable in traffic, medium center of gravity so you'll feel more stable at near-zero speeds.

If you're only going to own one bike, a hybrid is probably the best choice. I have two, a GT Discovery and a Trek 7500. The Trek is probably better made, but the GT is the most comfortable bike I've ever owned. Just the way it's designed fits me perfectly.

Some random tips - if you don't mind buying used, you can get some fantastic deals on Craig's List. The Trek, i bought a couple of years ago for 300 bucks, and it's a $750 bike. A year old, but the guy had only ridden it 50 or 60 miles. If you shop around, and bide your time, you can get some great bargains.

Make sure you get the right size frame. Ask the local bike shop for the right frame size, given your height and leg length. A bike that's just a couple of inches too big or too small will be really uncomfortable and quite possibly cause injuries to your back, knees, and who knows what else. You may find a bike that you love, and has a terrific price, but if it's the wrong size you will almost certainly regret it every time you ride it. Pass it up and get the right size frame.

Make sure you adjust your seat height and bar height properly. Again, you can really fuck something up if you don't, and at best it makes for very inefficient pedaling.

Look at shock absorbers. It's not just for sissies - it's easier on the bike, as well. Shock absorbers on the front forks, and a shock-absorbing seat post, will mean less shock being transmitted to the wheels and spokes because it's minimizing the force of your body weight slamming down on the wheels.

Toe clips make for much more efficient pedaling, because it allows you to pull the pedal upward on the upstroke. Get half-clips for the pedals, not full toe clips. They'll accomplish the same thing, but you can slide your foot in and out the side of it much more easily.

That's about all i can think of at the moment (thank god, eh?) If you have any other questions, just ask, and I'll try to answer them.


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RE: Any bike riders out there? Advice pls? - 3/24/2010 6:05:59 AM   
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Cruisers, bah, hum bug!

Don't listen to these pussies or the random and very personalized advice from this forum. Take it from a professional like me. Just like a good gun, your bike should be a Smith & Wesson. Small fortunes were spent researching the type of bikes chosen for hours of endless riding by government agents around the world. And the basic models are right in your price range. Police, Sheriff and EMS models for the S&W are $450.00. The Fuji's are about $475.00.

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RE: Any bike riders out there? Advice pls? - 3/24/2010 6:27:30 AM   
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i prefer to go in style....mocking my future thrift store cruiser! how dare you, Mr. Dicksteel! For this insult, i shall have to start pursuing my purchase immediately and as soon as that baby's mine, she's getting spraypainted pink and i will most likely add a ringy dingy bike bell to her for extra quality & cuteness~

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RE: Any bike riders out there? Advice pls? - 3/24/2010 6:41:22 AM   
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Hi Angel:

You have alot of good advice on bikes here but I didn't see one about bike shops. Since you're just starting out don't go to a bike shop to purchase your bike. Try Target, Kmart, Wal-Mart, Toys R Us for bargain shopping.  Don't forget to get measured for the correct size bike before purchasing! The right height can make all the difference in the world for your comfort!

***Ooops someone did mention Craigslist & that's a good option too but I noticed that alot of their used bike prices are the same if not more than bikes at Target you could get new***

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RE: Any bike riders out there? Advice pls? - 3/24/2010 9:24:56 AM   
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If you are going to tackle established trails but ride mostly on the road, I would suggest a hybrid/cross bike, the hybrid has capabilities in both conditions, plenty of gear ratios and some tread for off road, but light enough with less rolling resistance for road use. Suspension is nice, but is heavy, and actually drains pedalling power when on the road, I tend to not use suspension, but prefer the old way, stand and let the bike pivot underneath you.

A hybrid was my original plan for my kind of commuting, half cross country, half on road, but I ended up purchasing what is called here, a retro bike, a pre owned unloved early 1990s Saracen and there I recreated it from second hand parts, almost to the same specs as my last Saracen which my ex sold, but with some modern improvements, like  the    lovely Shimano XT  v brakes, essential around here with these hills.

The only thing I have found I don't like, is I am not as fit as I was, and the hills here are monstrous compared to what I had before, but the gear ratios, I chose them for the hill work, something that can be done  with these bikes by interchanging components.

Oh, I always wear a cycling helmet, on road or off road, that skull is rather thin and anyone can fall off a bike, even the pro's.


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RE: Any bike riders out there? Advice pls? - 3/24/2010 10:07:32 AM   
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grins -- wow!!! You know somehow i am reminiscing for the days in college with my lil 10 speed bicycle lol.

The more i read here and in research, the more i think i will probably go the ebay or craigslist or target walmarty store even goodwill route initially as PAHunkboy stated i think it was -- i need to make sure i am going to do this pretty much religiously before i invest a couple hundred bucks into it.

Thanks for the great information, i now feel very edumacated lol.

Appreciate the time everyone!

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RE: Any bike riders out there? Advice pls? - 3/24/2010 10:20:52 AM   
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Hi Angel:

You have alot of good advice on bikes here but I didn't see one about bike shops. Since you're just starting out don't go to a bike shop to purchase your bike. Try Target, Kmart, Wal-Mart, Toys R Us for bargain shopping.  Don't forget to get measured for the correct size bike before purchasing! The right height can make all the difference in the world for your comfort!

***Ooops someone did mention Craigslist & that's a good option too but I noticed that alot of their used bike prices are the same if not more than bikes at Target you could get new***


I have to disagree if you are just starting out go to the local bike shop first, go with an empty wallet and no credit cards, if they are not willing to help you make a good desicion befor you buy they are not a good shop, move on to another.
This is going to depend on what you expect, myself I wouldn't buy from walmart,  kmart or any other place like that. Who is putting these things together, some kid that hasn't been trained? and they wont fit you, you buy it and out you go. I guess this is OK if you only want to spend $80-150 for a bike but this is kind of you get what you pay for.
If you go the CL route be awar there are people on there that "flip" buy and sell bikes some are really good, some are just crooks. So if you go the CL route make sure you take someone thats knows bikes with you.
There are a couple of sports stores that are nationwide that sell bikes I would try one of them, I bought a bike for an old girlfriend from a place called performance bike, google it. I think they got great prices on entry level bikes, there are also others.
Hope you have fun

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RE: Any bike riders out there? Advice pls? - 3/24/2010 10:29:10 AM   
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Personally, if I were you, I would seek a pre owned machine and get it sorted out by a bike mechanic, as with pre owned older examples, your buck goes further, and better, more comfortable and functional things can be had, as there is a vast difference between entry level componentry and performance componentry.

First thing though, the best piece of advice I can give, is go to a competant cycle store, (find out where the serious enthusiasts go and follow their advice),and find out what your frame size is, that is the frame and geometry that fits your size and shape, as get that right and whatever bike you get with that size and geometry will feel more natural to you and therefore you will be more inclined to ride the thing than let it rust in the shed.

Many specialist cycle stores will help with advice without expecting a purchase, they help because they are enthusiasts and wish to offer their advice and help a noob, they also know good and correct advice received does more to create custom than hard selling does. Just go into the shop with no money, and ask, you will know a good shop by how helpful they are to you.

Oh, and there is now a difference in saddles from the old days, there are saddles for both male and female, ideally suited to both body types, female does not mean fat ass any more, they are moulded to fit the riding area, so as not to put pressure where it is not wanted, or can cause damage. Get a saddle that works for you.

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RE: Any bike riders out there? Advice pls? - 3/24/2010 10:29:13 AM   
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I just purchased a new Cannondale Adventure 5, it is a hybrid bike made for city streets and some trails.  I really enjoy it and this is my first new bike in years.  Here is the website if you want to check it out: http://www.cannondale.com/usa/usaeng/Products/Bikes/Recreation-Urban/-Adventure/Details/1328-0AS5-Adventure-5

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RE: Any bike riders out there? Advice pls? - 3/24/2010 10:48:15 AM   
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grins -- wow!!! You know somehow i am reminiscing for the days in college with my lil 10 speed bicycle lol.

The more i read here and in research, the more i think i will probably go the ebay or craigslist or target walmarty store even goodwill route initially as PAHunkboy stated i think it was -- i need to make sure i am going to do this pretty much religiously before i invest a couple hundred bucks into it.


Absolutely.

For what you you are planning there is no need for anything expensive.

I started out like you, just planning to use it a few miles a day.  I bought a $79.95 mountain bike from Sears.  It has lasted me eleven years, and I ride 150-200 miles a week.

If you find yourself using it more you can always upgrade.

As I rode more I upgraded it with a Cloud9 seat, aluminum rims, and tires that have a smooth surface in the middle but still have the knobby tread on the side so it minimized the resistance on the road but still allowed stable traction in sand and loose dirt.

Even with a hybrid the tires are much thinner than a mountain bike tire and don't provide the same stability on trails.  A mountain bike tire with a smooth tread provides the best of both worlds.

I would also recommend upgrading with puncture-resistant inner tubes.  They only cost about $10 and will spare you a lot of grief.  I had several flats with normal tubes but have never had one with the thicker version.

And PA's idea was good.  A lot of people buy expensive bikes, rarely use them, and then decide to get rid of them for a fraction of what they paid.





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RE: Any bike riders out there? Advice pls? - 3/24/2010 11:16:02 AM   
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Oh yes, got to recommend puncture resistant tubes, if not getting the tubes themselves, and some sort of usually expensive puncture resistant tyre, or tube to tyre inner shield, I use the tyre slime, a snotty yukky green stuff I inject into the inner tube, get a puncture, and the tyre goes down a bit before the yukky stuff blocks the hole and hardens.

Ask for advice on a forum, and you will get lots of it, a bewildering amount which might make the whole idea of getting a bike more complicated than first thought, but get thee to a specialist cycle shop and ask for advice on what bike for your terrain and pocket, but with that, get your frame size and geometry, it is most important.

Just a point of interest though, I have a Chinese Motorcycle, a supermotard, a copy more or less of a Suzuki, well, their technology and engine built under license, it is a good bike, but whenever bikers learn I have a Qingqi, (chingchee), they laugh and say it will probably rust out and  collapse under me as they are known to fall apart and generally fuck up. The reason for bringing this up, is the fact that most of the cheap bicycles sold at the major outlets like Wal-Mart and other places, are made in the same country, quite often by the same companies that make the motorcycles, cars and all sort of other consumer goods, yet no one seems to complain about them, because they are cheap. Bicycles just like motorcycles go on the road with other traffic, but my experience of the mass produced Chinese or Taiwanese cheap look like whatever cycles, is they are pretty good, if a bit clunky and heavy, they last even with the rust, but they seem not to attract the same negative commentry as the motorcycles do, I just wondered why that was given Japanese bikes when they first hit our shores received the same negativities, are motorcyclists in reality, snobs.

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RE: Any bike riders out there? Advice pls? - 3/24/2010 11:20:21 AM   
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This is going to depend on what you expect, myself I wouldn't buy from walmart,  kmart or any other place like that. Who is putting these things together, some kid that hasn't been trained? and they wont fit you, you buy it and out you go. I guess this is OK if you only want to spend $80-150 for a bike but this is kind of you get what you pay for.


I couldn't agree more. It's not just a question of how well they're assembled, it's a matter of how well they're designed. A lot of the cheap bikes you get at Target, Walmart, or the other chain stores have serious safety issues built right into them. A few years ago, for example, there were a lot of lawsuits regarding Target's main store brand of bikes. Some of the mountain bikes had frames that were configured in such a way as to make the bikes prone to tipping over if you turned at low speed, and people were seriously  injured. If you've only got 300 bucks to spend, you're probably going to get a lot more bike (and a much safer bike)  if you spend it on a used name brand bike than a brand new cheapo.

I've only had a few accidents, most of which were not serious, but it was enough to learn that no  matter how good you are, and how safe you think a situation is, you can wind up face first on the asphalt in a split-second and never even know how it happened. You've got to give yourself every advantage, and it starts with making sure you've got a safe bike underneath you.


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RE: Any bike riders out there? Advice pls? - 3/24/2010 11:31:45 AM   
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...there is always an adult that gets a bike then doesn't use it.

but this is where you can gain.  get like a $300 bike for $25-$50.  :-)

being that I am in my 40s- rugged works abit better for me.  

This is a GREAT choice for a hobby.  I cant think of any other hobby that is money as well spent.  :-)

I even would like to buy an extra for when company comes. 

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RE: Any bike riders out there? Advice pls? - 3/24/2010 11:42:55 AM   
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Don't you in the US have standards to which an imported product is subject to ?

Here, we have the CE designation which says an item has been constructed and meets the standards required of it, usually this gives a person some reassurance about a product, but one still has to be wary, as some far eastern products enter the EU via less strict countries, and get their CE certification via entry in those places.

But regards bikes in general, things capable of hurtling the fragile human body at speeds where an impact if considered would be devestating, do we really need to think what we operate is totally safe, do we need to forget the possibilities of pain, injury and possible death from the activity, or are they good notions to have. Machines made by humans are not perfect, they will eventually fail, and if experience is something to go by, they fail at the most inopportune moments,like chains breaking whilst honking the bike uphill, not nice I can tell you that. But why did the chain break, why in that particular place, why not any other link, the answer simply is because things fail and it can be anywhere at any time and people, operators have to be very aware what they are doing with the machine at the time and also realise it's limitations, it is designed to fall apart, therefore it will.

Making everything safe and fluffy with rounded corners I believe is making us less aware of danger than we need to be, we have to be aware of what we do at all times when engaging in activities we are not designed to do, reliance on safety features, cars for example, air bags and such is false, we should not be going along thinking we are safe because we have safety features, they like everything else can fail and when shit happens, it can happen in all directions at the same time.

For those of you who feel safe driving that little bit faster in your cars fitted with safety air bags, how do you know thay are going to work when they are needed, have you tested their deployment, or are you going on the words of others who will not be in your situation when shit happens.

All these safety devices fitted to modern machinery is because of the result of a minority who came unstuck, one just has to ask, what were they doing when they became unstuck, were they totally aware of their surroundings and operating the machine in accordance with the prevailing conditions and their abilities, or were they away in cloud cuckoo land not even thinking of the possibilities of their situation.


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RE: Any bike riders out there? Advice pls? - 3/24/2010 11:54:46 AM   
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I have to disagree if you are just starting out go to the local bike shop first, go with an empty wallet and no credit cards, if they are not willing to help you make a good desicion befor you buy they are not a good shop, move on to another.
This is going to depend on what you expect, myself I wouldn't buy from walmart,  kmart or any other place like that. Who is putting these things together, some kid that hasn't been trained? and they wont fit you, you buy it and out you go. I guess this is OK if you only want to spend $80-150 for a bike but this is kind of you get what you pay for.
If you go the CL route be awar there are people on there that "flip" buy and sell bikes some are really good, some are just crooks. So if you go the CL route make sure you take someone thats knows bikes with you.
There are a couple of sports stores that are nationwide that sell bikes I would try one of them, I bought a bike for an old girlfriend from a place called performance bike, google it. I think they got great prices on entry level bikes, there are also others.
Hope you have fun


I disagree as well with going to a chain to look at or pick out your bike. As ricken and Aneirin have mentioned go to a good bike shop. It's their business, they don't care if you are buying or not really. Even if you don't buy from them they want your future business. Go get their advice and try some bikes out in the lot to see what you end up liking. I did this and the trying out part was invaluable. I got my bike from Performance Bikes as well....they offer, as many shops do, free servicing and checkups for the life of the bike. I bring it in and get it back without paying a cent for that stuff. PB also offers a 'point' system that you pay 20$ for (I think it's 20) and you get points for your purchases which adds up to money off of anything you buy in the future. If you get a bike from them the points cover the initial fee and you get some additional ones too so it's well worth it.

My son did the CL approach and it worked very well for him. He went to a bike shop to try out the Trek he wanted in person and then searched CL for that exact model and got a hardly used bike in the model/size he wanted for half the price. He's very happy with it.

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RE: Any bike riders out there? Advice pls? - 3/24/2010 12:21:06 PM   
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Don't you in the US have standards to which an imported product is subject to ?

Here, we have the CE designation which says an item has been constructed and meets the standards required of it, usually this gives a person some reassurance about a product, but one still has to be wary, as some far eastern products enter the EU via less strict countries, and get their CE certification via entry in those places.


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But regards bikes in general, things capable of hurtling the fragile human body at speeds where an impact if considered would be devestating, do we really need to think what we operate is totally safe, do we need to forget the possibilities of pain, injury and possible death from the activity, or are they good notions to have. Machines made by humans are not perfect, they will eventually fail, and if experience is something to go by, they fail at the most inopportune moments,like chains breaking whilst honking the bike uphill, not nice I can tell you that.



Sure, shit happens. But it's a lot less likely to happen if the product you're using is safely designed and built. Nobody's talking about making yourself totally safe, because everyone knows that's impossible. We're talking about being a smart shopper and buying products that are built as safely as possible, while avoiding products that  are of questionable quality.


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RE: Any bike riders out there? Advice pls? - 3/24/2010 12:24:50 PM   
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I disagree as well with going to a chain to look at or pick out your bike. As ricken and Aneirin have mentioned go to a good bike shop. It's their business, they don't care if you are buying or not really. Even if you don't buy from them they want your future business.


Yeah, most bike shops are pretty cool about that. They know that no matter where you buy the bike, you're going to need a lot of products and services down the road. You're not going to buy the helmet on Craig's List, or the water bottle. Or the seat. Or the new tires. Or the bell. Or any of the other things you buy down the road, and you're not going to get the periodic servicing and maintenance from Craig's List. They want your business longterm, no matter where you got the bike.


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RE: Any bike riders out there? Advice pls? - 3/24/2010 12:48:12 PM   
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Don't you in the US have standards to which an imported product is subject to ?

Here, we have the CE designation which says an item has been constructed and meets the standards required of it, usually this gives a person some reassurance about a product, but one still has to be wary, as some far eastern products enter the EU via less strict countries, and get their CE certification via entry in those places.



Yeah but...we still get toothpast with anti freez in it, dolls with lead, and (my fav) drywall with ???? in it that rots pipes and gives off  unkown gas.

But thats another thread.....

Aneirin, I agree with your thread. Things fail....The quality of the materials of the wallmart bick is probably the same as a entry level bike from a  bike shop...steel is steel...it's quality of parts, the assembly and follow up, if needed, that is worth the extra money.



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