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They don't have a right to stop you anywhere in the US unless they have a reasonable cause to believe that a crime has been or is about to be committed. And in order to ask for ID they first have to stop you, so no technically they do not.

Hmm, I was wrong about the ID thing but you do have to identify yourself (give your name) and you can do that while walking

Here again arent you an aussie and crown chattel?  You most likely do but WE do not.

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Here again arent you an aussie and crown chattel?  You most likely do but WE do not.

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So RO, are you saying that as long as you dont give your ID then youre home free whatever offence you committed?

So for instance, I could steal a car, rob a bank, shoot a security guard and run down a passerby in my escape - but as long as my identity is not revealed I'm going to escape prosecution?

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Here again arent you an aussie and crown chattel?  You most likely do but WE do not.

Not yet :P I was born in the US, spent the first 24 years of my life in Chicago, moved here in '07 to be with my now-husband.

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In some states you do, others you do not. Always check your local laws before doing anything, as they vary significantly state to state.

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Common law is one thing, statute law is another - are you again maintaining that statute law has no lawful power?

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Offensive weapons are banned here TH; offensive weapons includes anything made or adapted for use as a weapon and anything else used or intended to be used as a weapon - this includes common contents of ladies' handbags such as nail files, hairsprays et al in theory at least. Basically, if you use anything to defend yourself youre committing an offence in possessing an offensive weapon - good, innit?
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Hmm, I was wrong about the ID thing but you do have to identify yourself (give your name) and you can do that while walking

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Common law is one thing, statute law is another - are you again maintaining that statute law has no lawful power?

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it does if you agree to be judged in that form and forum.   I do not.

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well, this is something of a problem TH. Over here we're overrun with American grey squirrels that have forced the native reds out of most places. Consequently the greys are classed as vermin and may be shot on sight.

However, having a weapon in a public place is an offence. Having an air gun less than (I think) 100 yards from a road or public way is an offence. Having a gun (or imitation gun) and others feeling threatened by this makes you an offender. So in effect the greys are safe in 90% of the country.

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It doesn't matter if you're walking or riding, when they demand your ID card of course you have to stop to produce it, and wait for them as they run it. Would you just let them keep it? Its a kind of power over you, once you allow them to have it. So they are stopping you or "pulling you over" as we say here, when they ask for ID. But they have to have "probable cause" according to the Supreme Court to do that. They may try to badger a person, bluff bluster threaten and cajole, but if the pedestrian stands firm like in the video they must relent according to our law.

A long time ago when I was still drinking I once was enjoying a cold beer in my car in a city park here and a cop pulled his car up behind my car, and I hid my can of beer, but when he came up to me he saw it and ticketed me. I went to a lawyer who told me I should have driven away when he parked behind me, and then he couldn't have done anything due to the probable cause rule.

I paid my fine, and learned my lesson. About a month later I parked in that same spot and cracked open another ice cold can of my favorite brew and proceeded to enjoy it. Same cop pulled in behind me and began to get out of his car, but I started my car up and drove away and finished my beer as I drove.

There was another time in Washington State, I was reading a map as I was pulled over alongside a highway with my then girlfriend and a Washington State police car pulled up behind me. I said, screw this, I don't need the hassle, and I began to drive away. He lit up his lights for a brief moment but then shut them off again, followed me for a ways, then found something else to do.

If you just sit there they can come inspect you and harass you, but (here) if you drive away they are powerless to stop you without "reasonable cause" to believe that a crime has been or is about to be committed.

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Hmm, I was wrong about the ID thing but you do have to identify yourself (give your name) and you can do that while walking

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Harsh, Lady E.  How else to protect the garden against the depredations of squirrels?

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Offensive weapons are banned here TH; offensive weapons includes anything made or adapted for use as a weapon and anything else used or intended to be used as a weapon - this includes common contents of ladies' handbags such as nail files, hairsprays et al in theory at least. Basically, if you use anything to defend yourself youre committing an offence in possessing an offensive weapon - good, innit?
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Tazers are illegal - anything made or adapted for use as a weapon, remember? And anything that actually projects anything - my goodness!

I have an air rifle - only a diddy .177. If I went out in my backyard to plink some cans with it and someone saw me, there'd a police firearms team down here with machine guns in a minute, dogs and a helicopter. Honestly, some guy a few years back got shot to death for walking through town with a chair leg in a bag that some idiiot reported to be a shotgun. There is absolute fear and paranoia (and ignorance) here about guns.

An electric fence? Now you'd probably want to look up the Regulations on where and how they may be used - and of course you must remember your duty of care to any passing burglar who may be injured if he touches your electric fence and then may sue you.

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