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FelineFae -> RE: What would you do............. (3/25/2010 11:23:21 AM)

Just a thought ...

Sometimes people use jokes and such to mask their feelings.
If a dom asked to sub to stop making jokes all the time, maybe the dom wishes the sub to be honest with their feelings and not cover them over with a long developed copeing device.

If this is so, than this becomes a matter of trust in each other. And if the sub is not ready for this in the relationship, they should tell the dom .

'Hope this might help.




afkarr -> RE: What would you do............. (3/25/2010 11:33:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: VirginPotty

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ORIGINAL: afkarr

If I wasn't being a smart ass, some days I wouldn't have much to say at all.........but if I'm not busy talking, I suppose it would leave me plenty of free time to do constructive things........like finding a new Dom who appreciated me for being me.


True afkarr but if you're going to go from "dom to dom" to find one who'll let you be you are you really interested in pleasing the dom or yourself? 
This AM I sent him an apology & said I would leave him alone until he made his decision.  No harsh words I'm regretting, simple & to the point. THAT is not how I handled issues in the past so this actually worked for me.[:D]



Different topic entirely, but if someone wants to rearrange the very essence of my personality simply because they don't like that part and not because it's ultimately negative for me, we weren't very compatible to begin with, something I'm fairly good at determining before we even get around to the whole Domming and subbing thingy.




wisdomtogive -> RE: What would you do............. (3/25/2010 12:27:57 PM)

Hi VirginPotty
It is hard to say without knowing his reasoning, and i do have a reason to say that. Growing up I ended up with the same type of humor my father had, funny and biting. My late husband was not concern about the funny aspect, but explained to me that my humour can hurt someone. I to this day have to watch that, and learn to not joke around at someone's else expense. Of course mine was an extreme case and learned behavior. I am glad i changed it though.

I do not know if this is the case for you, but for me it was understandable request.  Is it a basic part of my personality? Well i do believe learned behaviors can be and can be untaught.




Mercnbeth -> RE: What would you do............. (3/25/2010 12:32:28 PM)

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change in someone's fundamental identity like that is very challenging, difficult to enforce, and as i see it - sad.

Raven,
You should also add 'impossible'. Long term, people don't change their nature. They change their identity, however it's commonly done to serve an agenda which aligns with their nature. Issues come up when people don't accept their 'natural' self or try to deny it. Ideally in a relationship you have a partner who not only is compatible with you; but is self aware, confident, and interacting within the relationship in a way that doesn't conflict with their nature and personality. You shouldn't try or want to change a person. You should want to enhance who they are and have them secure in going deeper to fulfill themselves with you as their partner.

beth had no hope in changing me; she had to "get used" to me. I personify; "you only hurt the one you love", and sometimes, as beth would say; "not in a "good way." Living the first 46 years of your life in or around NYC develops a sense of humor with a sarcastic tinge to it which requires a bit of time to appreciate. Add in a sadistic streak and when we first starting going out together, I used to make beth cry as often from one of my 'humorously intended' comments as I did from any of the 'toys' I used on her. Now it rarely happens. Did I change? No - if anything I've gotten worse; but she knows my nature now and laughs with me. Giving me the opportunity to use; I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny? I've been a bad influence. Over time, she has developed her own Santa Maria style of sarcasm; and uses it with me and others, much to their surprise. I'm very proud of her!

Then there are "those days", or those occurrences; when you or your partner, for reasons out of their control, or in their nature, that you have to be prepared for and be prepared to handle one way or another.

For instance - I KNOW I'm going to be an 'asshole' when...

I'm checking in at an airport, especially when dealing with the Mensa members working for the TSA.
Checkout a grocery stores.
Paying at any retail chain.
Waiting in any line.
Dealing with phone 'help centers'.
Adding any program to my computer.

Among others...

Knowing this is my 'nature'; beth does her best to do those things for me. she also knows that when she can't do them for me; as is the case with airport security, she tries to defuse the situation. I appreciate her effort. No less should be expected from me. I don't see that as changing her, or her trying to change me. I see it as knowing she's not herself (VERY rare occurrence BTW compared to me!) and pointing it out to her.

It's not one sided, or reactionary. It's a naked partnership where each partner, not only should but, must remind the other, subtilly or with a 2x4, to be true to their nature, and point out when they aren't. Hell, I go even further. After a bad day at work, a bad conversation with another family member, or just waking up 'locked & loaded in the pissed off position'; I announce to beth that my mood isn't about her. Relieved, it usually takes her one or two of her patended breast flashes to get me out of it.

The process is stabilizing. The foundation that was there when the relationship was formed is still be there, perhaps buried under a pile of 'bullshit'. At least one of the partners has to be willing to remove it. There is no risk involved if, as the dominant, you 'submit' to removing it. There is no dominance involved if you, as a submissive, take charge in removing it. At least there isn't if both partners keep in mind, and work from the perspective that you are both 'slaves' serving the relationship which is fulfilling and enjoyable to each of you.

I haven't lost my identity being partnered with beth - I confirmed it; if anything, I enhanced it. I'm confident she would represent the same.




UniqueRaven -> RE: What would you do............. (3/25/2010 12:38:53 PM)

Thank you Merc, for expounding so well upon my post. [:)] i really appreciate your thoughts about how both parties "serve" the relationship, and it is very much in line with what i was trying to say, only better.

And my ex Master is Italian from Brooklyn - i spent 5 years living with him and visiting his family and totally get what you mean about the NYC sense of humor, hee hee! i find it very fun.

Hugs to you both! [:)]




DesFIP -> RE: What would you do............. (3/25/2010 2:46:26 PM)

I'm not big on bait and switch. If during the dating stage, he acts as though she's funny to him and then once collared demands she changes, I'd hand back the collar and realize I had made a mistake in my screening techniques. If he didn't like it, he shouldn't have pretended to.

But since VP hit a sore spot, she needs to simply apologize and remember his dislike of teasing at his advancing age in the future. But telling her never to laugh or joke again is simply wrong and guaranteed to contribute to the demise of the relationship.

Funny thing here, I'm the sarcastic New Yorker but he's the one most likely to make nasty teasing comments. My response to that has been the same from the beginning, "You play too rough for me". He's known from day one that I will not respond well to that and that I'm not going to get used to it. He wants me with him, he has to not break his toys and play nice.




lizi -> RE: What would you do............. (3/25/2010 3:22:05 PM)

My Dom and I both have a great sense of humor and are generally happy and laughing at any given point during the day. There are times when he goes overboard when I'm trying to be serious and he'll insist on making jokes when he shouldn't. It can be irritating. He is aware that he does this and tries to curb it, he's also encouraged me to let him know if he needs to knock it off.

OP, I would say if your Dom trying to get you to learn something that will improve you and enhance your personality that is a good thing, if he is trying to suppress you and change your personality it may not be a good thing.




whiteslavebitch -> RE: What would you do............. (3/25/2010 5:49:05 PM)

If I couldn't be myself, it wouldn't be a relationship worth being in.




Andalusite -> RE: What would you do............. (3/25/2010 6:56:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: VirginPotty
I don't "tease him relentlessly", I know better than that but I do think I went overboard since it was his b'day yesterday. I'm hoping it's just a temporary setback because if not...........MAJOR OVERHAUL ATTITUDE ADJUSTMENT that I'm just not sure I can make.

It sounds to me like you went a little too far, and he got fed up and frustrated. I doubt that he wants you to change your personality, but it does sound like he wants you to tone things down a bit.

I enjoy making puns, but if I were letting out a constant string of them one evening, my Master would probably put his hand over my mouth or something to get me to shut up. A little is fine, but it's easy to have too much of a good thing. [;)]

In terms of changing personality or how we interact with people, I didn't do so for someone else, I did it for me. I had the opposite problem - being very shy and self-conscious with strangers, especially public speaking, or going to a party or event with a lot of people I didn't know. I had to keep forcing myself out of my comfort zone, put on my "Nikes" and "just do it." It was very transformative, and now I'm a bit of a social butterfly.

So, I vote for - give him the benefit of the doubt, ask him to clarify what he wants from you and what his specific objections to your behaviour were, and in what circumstances it's ok to cut loose.




sweetboundesire -> RE: What would you do............. (3/25/2010 7:15:38 PM)

there is nothing funny about losing your sense of humor.

a good sense of humor is a rare quality, a unicorn in the land of horses.

this Mister wants to rip of your horn! How dare he! Impale him immediately and gallop away!

now that would be funny![;)]




takemeforyourown -> RE: What would you do............. (3/25/2010 8:16:57 PM)

Giving up kidding around would kill one of my favorite parts of me. I don't think I could do that to myself, even if GOD demanded it.




sweetboundesire -> RE: What would you do............. (3/25/2010 8:21:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: takemeforyourown

Giving up kidding around would kill one of my favorite parts of me. I don't think I could do that to myself, even if GOD demanded it.



God obviously has a wicked sense of humor, just look at all the wacky people who congregate here. God is the God of GoodHumor, without a doubt[;)]




LadyOddsworth -> RE: What would you do............. (3/25/2010 8:27:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: VirginPotty

if a big part of who you are was making jokes, making people laugh & just general kidding around & your master told you to stop.

Could you give up that large part of yourself for him/her?
I know the rule of thumb is whatever it takes to make your dom/me happy but if you can't be who you are during your vanilla exchanges could you silence yourself willingly?


I am outgoing, outspoken, and funny. My ex never liked these things. I always considered them to be my best qualities. A big red flag I should have heeded.
You have to decide for yourself. I choose never to travel that road again.




GreedyTop -> RE: What would you do............. (3/25/2010 9:53:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

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ORIGINAL: VirginPotty

if a big part of who you are was making jokes, making people laugh & just general kidding around & your master told you to stop.

Could you give up that large part of yourself for him/her?
I know the rule of thumb is whatever it takes to make your dom/me happy but if you can't be who you are during your vanilla exchanges could you silence yourself willingly?
Read what you said Pots...the rule of thumb is YOU do whatever makes him happy. YOU...not some droid he created, not a body void of their personality...but YOU.

You have a wonderful sense of humor, and anyone that can give a smile to others, and lighten their load in some small way is a very valuable person to know (and i really mean that, damnit).

Perhaps what you should really be asking is WHY he wants you to do this.



This.

*hugs Potty*




WantingToServe11 -> RE: What would you do............. (3/25/2010 10:31:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

... tits, ass and legs.


MmMmMm... Tits, ass, and legs.

Oh sorry, my ADD kicked in. Anyways, I think humor is an important characteristic for anyone to have and practice as often as possible. The reasons why it's important are vast, for instance humor promotes self-harmony and allows others to see you aren't all scary anti social.

To answer your question, not showing humor is unhealthy therefore I'm going to be humorous under the right circumstances regardless of what anyone says.




WyldHrt -> RE: What would you do............. (3/26/2010 12:25:50 AM)

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Raven,
You should also add 'impossible'. Long term, people don't change their nature. They change their identity, however it's commonly done to serve an agenda which aligns with their nature. Issues come up when people don't accept their 'natural' self or try to deny it. Ideally in a relationship you have a partner who not only is compatible with you; but is self aware, confident, and interacting within the relationship in a way that doesn't conflict with their nature and personality. You shouldn't try or want to change a person. You should want to enhance who they are and have them secure in going deeper to fulfill themselves with you as their partner.

beth had no hope in changing me; she had to "get used" to me. I personify; "you only hurt the one you love", and sometimes, as beth would say; "not in a "good way." Living the first 46 years of your life in or around NYC develops a sense of humor with a sarcastic tinge to it which requires a bit of time to appreciate. Add in a sadistic streak and when we first starting going out together, I used to make beth cry as often from one of my 'humorously intended' comments as I did from any of the 'toys' I used on her. Now it rarely happens. Did I change? No - if anything I've gotten worse; but she knows my nature now and laughs with me. Giving me the opportunity to use; I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny? I've been a bad influence. Over time, she has developed her own Santa Maria style of sarcasm; and uses it with me and others, much to their surprise. I'm very proud of her!

Then there are "those days", or those occurrences; when you or your partner, for reasons out of their control, or in their nature, that you have to be prepared for and be prepared to handle one way or another.

For instance - I KNOW I'm going to be an 'asshole' when...

I'm checking in at an airport, especially when dealing with the Mensa members working for the TSA.
Checkout a grocery stores.
Paying at any retail chain.
Waiting in any line.
Dealing with phone 'help centers'.
Adding any program to my computer.

Among others...

Knowing this is my 'nature'; beth does her best to do those things for me. she also knows that when she can't do them for me; as is the case with airport security, she tries to defuse the situation. I appreciate her effort. No less should be expected from me. I don't see that as changing her, or her trying to change me. I see it as knowing she's not herself (VERY rare occurrence BTW compared to me!) and pointing it out to her.

It's not one sided, or reactionary. It's a naked partnership where each partner, not only should but, must remind the other, subtilly or with a 2x4, to be true to their nature, and point out when they aren't. Hell, I go even further. After a bad day at work, a bad conversation with another family member, or just waking up 'locked & loaded in the pissed off position'; I announce to beth that my mood isn't about her. Relieved, it usually takes her one or two of her patended breast flashes to get me out of it.

The process is stabilizing. The foundation that was there when the relationship was formed is still be there, perhaps buried under a pile of 'bullshit'. At least one of the partners has to be willing to remove it. There is no risk involved if, as the dominant, you 'submit' to removing it. There is no dominance involved if you, as a submissive, take charge in removing it. At least there isn't if both partners keep in mind, and work from the perspective that you are both 'slaves' serving the relationship which is fulfilling and enjoyable to each of you.

I haven't lost my identity being partnered with beth - I confirmed it; if anything, I enhanced it. I'm confident she would represent the same.

This... all of it. Oh, and I can confirm that beth has learned some seriously "bad" habits from Merc. Her "Santa Maria style of sarcasm" is awesome, and one of the things I love about her... another is her "style of Santa Maria BBQ", but that's another thread![:D]

I can only speak for myself, but those who know me will most likely confirm that I am a dyed in the wool, inveterate smartass (shup, Merc[;)]). I love puns, wordplay, and verbal humour in general. A dom who wanted to snuff out that part of me simply wouldn't be a match, because the frustration involved in trying to supress something so integral to who I am would poison the relationship sooner or later. Call me a "bad sub" if you like, but making myself miserable in order to make him happy just wouldn't work. I've taken that road and stayed on it for far too long. It ended.... badly.

That said, I can and do control my mouth when it is called for. I'm fairly sensitive, and can tell when I'm hitting someone's limits or pushing their buttons. In the case of a dom, I'm pretty well versed in recognizing "the Look", and pulling myself up before I get in too much trouble, lol. As Roch noted, some Dom/mes will appreciate a biting sense of humour, as long as it isn't directed at them. Others will take your puns/ jokes/ wordplay and turn it back on you instead of getting butthurt (these are the Ds that interest me). It really depends on the person.

Were I in your position, Pots, I would ask for clarification. If he wants you to be more mindful of what you say and how it is being received, he may well have a point. If he's stomping the domly dom boot and demanding that you bury who you are to become something that is much less.... not so much.





LafayetteLady -> RE: What would you do............. (3/26/2010 1:14:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

Were I in your position, Pots, I would ask for clarification. If he wants you to be more mindful of what you say and how it is being received, he may well have a point. If he's stomping the domly dom boot and demanding that you bury who you are to become something that is much less.... not so much.



Way to cut right to the chase WyldHrt. If the OP's teasing, smart ass comments could be construed as hurtful to others, then by all means learn how to curb it. If it is just the whole "Because I'm the dom and I say so..." that just isn't good enough. I realize that many subs/slaves follow blindly with the assumption that "he" (or she) knows best, and in many instances that is all fine and dandy if it floats your boat. But asking someone to really adjust who they are without an explanation is only going to make any changes that more difficult.

The ability to laugh and joke and have a good sense of humor is an asset. Finding a "bright" side to any situation isn't a bad thing.

I think the OP needs to sit down with her partner and get the clarification about what exactly it is about her joking and sense of humor is bothering him.




dreamerdreaming -> RE: What would you do............. (3/26/2010 1:27:47 AM)

Fast reply:

Anyone who would require such a thing from their partner would be incompatible with me, in a major way. Why take a partner who is clearly a mismatch with you on a very basic level, and then wish they were someone different than who they really are- instead of just finding someone who fits well with you to begin with? [8|]

There are six billion people in the world, and counting. Presumably each of us has many, many potential partners here, with whom we could live a truly happy, deeply fulfilling life- if we just find one of them to begin with. We will be highly unlikely to find a good match while we are made unavailable, plodding away with the wrong partner. And we'd be wasting their chances too. (Both the bad match we're with, and the good ones we're missing out on.)

I'd tell Mr. Mismatch that I was sorry he was so clearly incompatible with me, and that out of concern for us both I needed to end our clearly doomed partnership right away, before we wasted any more of each other's time.

If I let someone bum me out on a routine basis, I am letting him.

I won't let him. Its not kind to either one of us, to drag it out. Life's too short. I need someone who wants me to be who I really am. Not who they wish I were.

Its much easier to be truly happy single, than it is to try to be happy when you're letting an asshole/fool drag you down.




wandersalone -> RE: What would you do............. (3/26/2010 2:14:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aylee


I suppose that I wonder if he is wanting you to stop all joking around or if there is the possiblity that he is feeling like the butt of too many jokes. 

Do you tease him relentlessly over the same things, over and over and over?  And that is what he wants you to stop?


I am leaning (and hoping) towards it being more about this section I have cut from Aylee rather than about you having to stop having a sense of humour.  I used to have a very biting and dry sense of humour and thought that everyone understood that I was being playful.  Imagine how awful I felt when a friend who has known me for decades told me about the number of people who had been hurt by my 'jokes'.   Since then I have worked incredibly hard to be less sarcastic and to think through how my comments could be interpreted by others.  And yes, my sense of humour has become gentler because of this. [:)]




ranja -> RE: What would you do............. (3/26/2010 2:51:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: VirginPotty

if a big part of who you are was making jokes, making people laugh & just general kidding around & your master told you to stop.

Could you give up that large part of yourself for him/her?
I know the rule of thumb is whatever it takes to make your dom/me happy but if you can't be who you are during your vanilla exchanges could you silence yourself willingly?


i don't think i'd take Him serious... i'd probably laugh at this silly proposal

it does not make much sense to cut out the fun from living, i mean how boring

if He would be serious i would be totally gob smacked and ask Him what He thinks is wrong with my sense of humor, maybe we can make minor adjustments instead?




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