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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Saying "all Muslims are terrorists", "Jews are thieves and murder Christian babies", and "the Holocaust didn't happen", are actually calls to violence and racial hatred. It's just that in the States, it's accepted. In other places, it isn't. I don't see why it's always Americans that go up in arms over how speech is supposedly restricted elsewhere: if they're happy with their first amendment, why do they give a flying fuck :-) ? Oh, hold on... it's when their Michael Savage and Ann Coulter get their "speech restricted" by evil Canada, France and England that they start whining .

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Exactly - if "hate speech" weren't limited to "hating someone's gender, race, or religion" and actually extended to ALL forms of HATE speech, I don't think anyone would support the laws.

If it works for you two then feel free. Personally I am glad we have laws against hate speech.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Don't try to feed me that garbage, I've seen your best buds bashing Christians, some of them (not you obviously) bashing Jews...

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

The UK rightly has laws on both.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
Actuall Kittin calls to incite violence,whether racial or otherwise is against the law here.Free speech stops at the point where it's consequences are violent acts.

Saying "all Muslims are terrorists", "Jews are thieves and murder Christian babies", and "the Holocaust didn't happen", are actually calls to violence and racial hatred. It's just that in the States, it's accepted. In other places, it isn't. I don't see why it's always Americans that go up in arms over how speech is supposedly restricted elsewhere: if they're happy with their first amendment, why do they give a flying fuck :-) ? Oh, hold on... it's when their Michael Savage and Ann Coulter get their "speech restricted" by evil Canada, France and England that they start whining .

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
First off I have not commented one way or the other on Canada's or any other countries speech laws.And yes we can agree spouting that bullshit is inciting violence...but to actually prosecute and hope to get a conviction here in the states the call to violence must be a direct call for violence...not so hard to get around those sorts of law....The scum that do this sort of shit do not have to be too smart to skirt around actually violating such porous and vague laws.

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

Very good point - I for one have never seen anything even remotely resembling "Bible thumping morons" prosecuted as hate speech.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
And I wouldn't want to see it happen. People are just nuts, and need to grow up. Not get so agitated as easily as they do. Learn some tolerance.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
And I wouldn't want to see it happen. People are just nuts, and need to grow up. Not get so agitated as easily as they do. Learn some tolerance.

Not even tolerance, I really don't care who hates whom, but to say "it's okay to hate people for politics but not for religion" is ridiculous.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

The UK rightly has laws on both.

So if I were to say "I hate Tony Blair and I think he's a worthless piece of trash" I could be arrested for it in the UK?

Nothing in this Part shall be read or given effect in a way which prohibits or restricts discussion, criticism or expressions of antipathy, dislike, ridicule, insult or abuse of particular religions or the beliefs or practices of their adherents, or of any other belief system or the beliefs or practices of its adherents, or proselytising or urging adherents of a different religion or belief system to cease practising their religion or belief system.

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Its alright to have feelings and to talk about them, and I think its more dangerous for the European nanny states to try to force people to keep their emotions bottled up. When you make something illegal then there are certain types who will want to partake of it precisely because it is forbidden and seems exotic.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
First off I have not commented one way or the other on Canada's or any other countries speech laws.And yes we can agree spouting that bullshit is inciting violence...but to actually prosecute and hope to get a conviction here in the states the call to violence must be a direct call for violence...not so hard to get around those sorts of law....The scum that do this sort of shit do not have to be too smart to skirt around actually violating such porous and vague laws.

There's a reason that it has to be a direct call for violence - can you imagine how much that law could be abused? If saying "Muslims are terrorists" could be construed as a call for violence, then saying "Obama is a terrorist destroying the fabric of this country" could be construed as an assassination threat.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Here is the relevant part of the law for you to read. Coulters could be seen as free speech unless the public prosecutor could prove she was trying to stir up racial hatred.  


The Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006 amended the Public Order Act 1986 by adding Part 3A. That Part says, "A person who uses threatening words or behaviour, or displays any written material which is threatening, is guilty of an offence if he intends thereby to stir up religious hatred." The Part protects freedom of expression by stating in Section 29J:

Nothing in this Part shall be read or given effect in a way which prohibits or restricts discussion, criticism or expressions of antipathy, dislike, ridicule, insult or abuse of particular religions or the beliefs or practices of their adherents, or of any other belief system or the beliefs or practices of its adherents, or proselytising or urging adherents of a different religion or belief system to cease practising their religion or belief system.

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They sure can play hockey though.....fucking Canadians,

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ORIGINAL: RootIsGod666

Keep in mind that most people would ban just about every part of what most of U/us say and do around here (and in fact have already done so in many places) just because THEY do not agree with it.  Letting anyone choose what is good and what is evil will always end with everyone loosing far more than pure words could ever harm someone.