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pahunkboy -> What does it mean for dental care? (3/26/2010 9:50:57 AM)
Does anyone know what the reform, what effect it has on dental care? I did a search and do not see much. With all the commotion, I can not tell. Any ideas?

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: What does it mean for dental care? (3/26/2010 10:21:03 AM)
No, I have no ideas, but I'm really glad you asked. I've been thinking about that a lot lately myself, but I haven't seen anything about it. Hopefully someone who has some information will enlighten us.

housesub4you -> RE: What does it mean for dental care? (3/26/2010 10:32:22 AM)
I have not had any type of dental insurance since the 80's. No one either myself or my wife has worked for even offered it. I do not think there is anything in the bill concerning this issue

TreasureKY -> RE: What does it mean for dental care? (3/26/2010 11:31:33 AM)
I'd suggest reading through the bill so you know what is in there. That's kinda the thing that amazes me the most... how can anyone be for or against this bill if they haven't read it and don't know what's in there? I've not had a chance yet to look at the reconciliation, but the original bill lists the following as "essential health benefits": Ambulatory patient services Emergency services Hospitalization Maternity and newborn care Mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment Prescription drugs Rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices Laboratory services Preventive and wellness services and chronic disease management Pediatric services, including oral and vision care Dental care (and vision) appears to only be required for coverage for children. While any plan you may join can include dental care, the cost for it that is over and above what the essential health plan covers is considered "premium". "Dental only" plans may be offered through the Exchange, but again... they are considered "premium". There are several programs included in the bill which will promote and fund dental training, service improvement, education, and research. But nothing that will either fund, subsidize, or provide dental services for adults.

pahunkboy -> RE: What does it mean for dental care? (3/26/2010 11:49:13 AM)
so dental ins has an extra tax. ...why would anyone sign a contract they have not read. KY- I have a 2700 page contract with you, (regarding couches, furniture and furnishings in your home) - and I ask you to sign in with in 1 hour. May I count on your approval of this contract? if not- then how can you say so?

Silence8 -> RE: What does it mean for dental care? (3/26/2010 11:52:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY I'd suggest reading through the bill so you know what is in there. That's kinda the thing that amazes me the most... how can anyone be for or against this bill if they haven't read it and don't know what's in there? I've not had a chance yet to look at the reconciliation, but the original bill lists the following as "essential health benefits": Ambulatory patient services Emergency services Hospitalization Maternity and newborn care Mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment Prescription drugs Rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices Laboratory services Preventive and wellness services and chronic disease management Pediatric services, including oral and vision care Dental care (and vision) appears to only be required for coverage for children. While any plan you may join can include dental care, the cost for it that is over and above what the essential health plan covers is considered "premium". "Dental only" plans may be offered through the Exchange, but again... they are considered "premium". There are several programs included in the bill which will promote and fund dental training, service improvement, education, and research. But nothing that will either fund, subsidize, or provide dental services for adults. You're amazed that people aren't willing to read through an 1000-page legal document? I'm amazed that the meaning of 'amaze' can change so much from speaker to speaker, like when I use it and it makes sense, and when you use it and it doesn't. They could at least take the Randian route and throw in some 'brisk' sex scenes. We'd all be better off dusting off our copies of Das Kapital (Vols. 1, 2, and 3) and really getting down to business. Unlike the previous two 'works', at least we'd be learning something. So... yeah... suck it!

TreasureKY -> RE: What does it mean for dental care? (3/26/2010 11:54:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy so dental ins has an extra tax. ...why would anyone sign a contract they have not read. KY- I have a 2700 page contract with you, (regarding couches, furniture and furnishings in your home) - and I ask you to sign in with in 1 hour. May I count on your approval of this contract? if not- then how can you say so? Sorry, but I'm not following your logic, but I see it as pretty simple... you want to set a one-hour deadline for me to sign a 2700 page contact? No. There. Problem solved.

rulemylife -> RE: What does it mean for dental care? (3/26/2010 11:56:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY I'd suggest reading through the bill so you know what is in there. That's kinda the thing that amazes me the most... how can anyone be for or against this bill if they haven't read it and don't know what's in there? "Dental only" plans may be offered through the Exchange, but again... they are considered "premium". There are several programs included in the bill which will promote and fund dental training, service improvement, education, and research. But nothing that will either fund, subsidize, or provide dental services for adults. What amazes me the most are the people opposed to this legislation that are now complaining of what it does not cover. I have never had a health plan, whether employer-sponsored or paid for on my own, that included dental and vision without additional premiums.

pahunkboy -> RE: What does it mean for dental care? (3/26/2010 11:56:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy so dental ins has an extra tax. ...why would anyone sign a contract they have not read. KY- I have a 2700 page contract with you, (regarding couches, furniture and furnishings in your home) - and I ask you to sign in with in 1 hour. May I count on your approval of this contract? if not- then how can you say so? Sorry, but I'm not following your logic, but I see it as pretty simple... you want to set a one-hour deadline for me to sign a 2700 page contact? No. There. Problem solved. That is what they did with this bill. (again) Obama promised 5 days so people could read the bill.

TreasureKY -> RE: What does it mean for dental care? (3/26/2010 12:01:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Silence8 You're amazed that people aren't willing to read through an 1000-page legal document? I'm amazed that the meaning of 'amaze' can change so much from speaker to speaker, like when I use it and it makes sense, and when you use it and it doesn't. They could at least take the Randian route and through in some 'brisk' sex scenes. We'd all be better off dusting off our copies of Das Kapital (Vols. 1, 2, and 3) and really getting down to business. Unlike the previous two 'works', at least we'd be learning something. So... yeah... suck it! Oooohhhh... poor baaaabbby. Does the ickle one want a picture book so he can understand? Sorry, but adult decisions require adult research and thinking. Hard work? Tough. Grow a set.

TreasureKY -> RE: What does it mean for dental care? (3/26/2010 12:02:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY I'd suggest reading through the bill so you know what is in there. That's kinda the thing that amazes me the most... how can anyone be for or against this bill if they haven't read it and don't know what's in there? "Dental only" plans may be offered through the Exchange, but again... they are considered "premium". There are several programs included in the bill which will promote and fund dental training, service improvement, education, and research. But nothing that will either fund, subsidize, or provide dental services for adults. What amazes me the most are the people opposed to this legislation that are now complaining of what it does not cover. I have never had a health plan, whether employer-sponsored or paid for on my own, that included dental and vision without additional premiums. Bully for you. You don't see me complaining.

TreasureKY -> RE: What does it mean for dental care? (3/26/2010 12:04:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy That is what they did with this bill. (again) Obama promised 5 days so people could read the bill. And? They had two choices. Read it or say, "no". How hard is that?

pahunkboy -> RE: What does it mean for dental care? (3/26/2010 12:11:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy That is what they did with this bill. (again) Obama promised 5 days so people could read the bill. And? They had two choices. Read it or say, "no". How hard is that? well I want to redo your furnishings. it would be hard to read 2700 pages in 1 hour. ..but you must have better controls on your furniture. Gosh- 2700 pages an hour. I am way too stupid to read that fast. This country is way to smart for me. I guess I do not make a good assets to the corporation. You are aware that the US is a corporation?

Silence8 -> RE: What does it mean for dental care? (3/26/2010 12:19:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY quote: ORIGINAL: Silence8 You're amazed that people aren't willing to read through an 1000-page legal document? I'm amazed that the meaning of 'amaze' can change so much from speaker to speaker, like when I use it and it makes sense, and when you use it and it doesn't. They could at least take the Randian route and through in some 'brisk' sex scenes. We'd all be better off dusting off our copies of Das Kapital (Vols. 1, 2, and 3) and really getting down to business. Unlike the previous two 'works', at least we'd be learning something. So... yeah... suck it! Oooohhhh... poor baaaabbby. Does the ickle one want a picture book so he can understand? Sorry, but adult decisions require adult research and thinking. Hard work? Tough. Grow a set. Wow. What a stupid, stupid response. Do you read each legal agreement you sign? No way in hell. How about your mortgage... how many people actually read that? Most people in the business cannot even understand those tomes. By the way... the single-payer bill, that I actually supported, as a rational adult, was like 20 pages. Again, you'd be better off reading Marx; that's how you really 'grow a pair' (if you insist on this chauvinistic phrasing). The fact of the matter is that corporate America is effectively castrating the American people.

tazzygirl -> RE: What does it mean for dental care? (3/26/2010 12:19:38 PM)
Treasure is correct. I posted the part of the bill pertaining to dental on another thread. In essence, its not part of the package. However, any state market place offering dental for adults as a stand alone policy must ensure that it also covers children. Personally, Treasure, i have to agree with you also on the reading part. So many have allowed others to "discover" whats in this bill, instead of finding out for themselves. Its become a trend, this laziness, for lack of a better word. If im going to have to buy something, i want to know what it is, exactly, im going to buy. Pahunk, if you go to buy something, say a house, wouldnt you want to know all about the legal speak of that contract? I dont see this as any different. So many who have demanded this bill die now reveal they dont know whats in it, what they were fighting for or against.... so many have become parrots for the thoughts of others. Interesting.

popeye1250 -> RE: What does it mean for dental care? (3/26/2010 12:21:06 PM)
Sheesh, noone even knows how many pages that "document" is! PaHunk, I have Delta Dental, $51 a month and I get (3) cleanings a year.

tazzygirl -> RE: What does it mean for dental care? (3/26/2010 12:21:30 PM)
quote: By the way... the single-payer bill, that I actually supported, as a rational adult, was like 20 pages. Care to share that bill? The only one i knew of that was that short was the Republican one... the one they were waving when the shout of "you lie" went ringing out in the chamber. And not a single republican congressman or woman wanted single payer.

TreasureKY -> RE: What does it mean for dental care? (3/26/2010 12:31:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy That is what they did with this bill. (again) Obama promised 5 days so people could read the bill. And? They had two choices. Read it or say, "no". How hard is that? well I want to redo your furnishings. it would be hard to read 2700 pages in 1 hour. ..but you must have better controls on your furniture. Gosh- 2700 pages an hour. I am way too stupid to read that fast. This country is way to smart for me. I guess I do not make a good assets to the corporation. You are aware that the US is a corporation? PA... the bill has been around since December. But you seem to not understand my point. If I was given only one hour to read a 2700 page contract, I would decline. Of course, this bill was around for much longer but no one was forced to approve it.

TreasureKY -> RE: What does it mean for dental care? (3/26/2010 12:34:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Silence8 Wow. What a stupid, stupid response. Do you read each legal agreement you sign? No way in hell. How about your mortgage... how many people actually read that? Most people in the business cannot even understand those tomes. By the way... the single-payer bill, that I actually supported, as a rational adult, was like 20 pages. Again, you'd be better off reading Marx; that's how you really 'grow a pair' (if you insist on this chauvinistic phrasing). The fact of the matter is that corporate America is effectively castrating the American people. Good thing I'm not counting on your approval of my comments. And yes, I do read every legal document I sign. I consider it foolish not to.

pahunkboy -> RE: What does it mean for dental care? (3/26/2010 12:34:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Pahunk, if you go to buy something, say a house, wouldnt you want to know all about the legal speak of that contract? I dont see this as any different. So many who have demanded this bill die now reveal they dont know whats in it, what they were fighting for or against.... so many have become parrots for the thoughts of others. Interesting. I did buy a house. During the closing- I told myself I was slothful. Skimming the pages... a person at the closing told me- that - few read as intensely as I did. I found that incredible. Luckily- the professionals in the area- did not push the exotic loans- much of what I went on was their expertise. In my life- tho- I have signed things that I later regretted.

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