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RE: lying - 4/2/2006 1:48:31 PM

SirKenin

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Heh. All those posts condemning the Master when it sounds like we have a jealous and insecure kajira that needs her head examined on our hands. It always helps having both sides of the story before sticking one's foot in one's mouth.

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RE: lying - 4/2/2006 8:04:10 PM

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ORIGINAL: MLskajira

this girl has recently found out (from a slave friend of her's) that it was a SNAFU, and her Master hasnt lied to her.
this stems from the fact that this girl just had to send her cub to court ordered boot-camp, have her Master put the precious little dog she has had for 12 years, down, and her mother just had 2 heart attacks, all within the last week and a half. and she has not been able to have any quality time with her Master. she is feeling dissed and unwanted, and it is all in her head.
MLkajira
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Did you tell your Master your concerns before bringing it to a public forum? i am sorry you have had such stress lately, however in a year & a half relationship, it sounds like there are trust issues that need to be resolved.

Sir Kenin, this was indeed an example of judgment without knowing the full picture, although in all fairness, those who posted were answering a hypothetical question that was posed: "If a Master did this, then...?"

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RE: lying - 4/2/2006 8:05:39 PM

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i would just suggest in the future, that a kajira speak to her Master about ANY issues she has, prior to asking for opinions on his actions from outsiders.

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RE: lying - 4/2/2006 8:14:56 PM

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RE: lying - 4/2/2006 9:05:49 PM

SirKenin

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlieSir Kenin, this was indeed an example of judgment without knowing the full picture, although in all fairness, those who posted were answering a hypothetical question that was posed: "If a Master did this, then...?"

True, but it is also a perfect example that you should know ALL the facts before going off half-cocked. Rather than attempting to answer the question without having a clue what one was talking about, one should have taken the time to get to know the surrounding circumstances. As you can see here it would have made all the difference in the world.

Incidentally I agree wholeheartedly about the trust issues. Somebody is walking around just a little bit unbalanced and these issues should be sorted out before the relationship be allowed to continue. After all, trust is a key and essential component to any relationship, and especially critical in BDSM.

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RE: lying - 4/3/2006 2:45:48 AM

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Kenin,
I've stated it before and I shall do so here again for clarification. In situations where we know we are getting only one side of the story, the responce is to the scenario as shown.... it is upto the reader to distinguish the validity of the scenario for themselves.
Sometime I mention 'only getting one side' sometimes I don't but that is the manner most posters should be responding with.

That said, I don't much care what you think 'should' or shouldn't be done. Likewise the reverse is true. but both our standpoints are clearly stated.

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RE: lying - 4/3/2006 3:05:19 AM

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no-one can know or say what should or shouldn't be said or done except the two involved.

MLskajira, your personal circumstances, sad though they may be, i fail to see what they have to do with your Master taking on another slave.

your screen name says kajira .... [the world of Gor] ....

in my understanding of this, a slave has no opinion or rights over what her Master does.. she cannot dictate or whinge if her Master decides to change His mind and take on another slave.

In r/t, if He has promised you He wouldn't, then goes back on this.. then you have three choices..
1) put up with it and don't whinge
2) talk with Him about the problems occurring and sort out some kind of compromise
3) leave.

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RE: lying - 4/3/2006 7:06:37 AM

SirKenin

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quote:

ORIGINAL: RavenMuse

Kenin,
I've stated it before and I shall do so here again for clarification. In situations where we know we are getting only one side of the story, the responce is to the scenario as shown.... it is upto the reader to distinguish the validity of the scenario for themselves.
Sometime I mention 'only getting one side' sometimes I don't but that is the manner most posters should be responding with.

That said, I don't much care what you think 'should' or shouldn't be done. Likewise the reverse is true. but both our standpoints are clearly stated.

Yes, the way I look at it we both have our right to our opinion, and yours is every bit as valid as Mine.

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RE: lying - 4/3/2006 7:12:42 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SirKenin
Yes, the way I look at it we both have our right to our opinion, and yours is every bit as valid as Mine.

To quote animal farm...
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"

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RE: lying - 4/3/2006 8:38:49 PM

MLskajira

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it would take too much space to tell the whole story. but this girl did contact her Master before bringing her question here. ....... she just hadnt recieved an answer.
what she actually saw, was not what it appeared to be and due to her distressed state of mind and the fact that her Master knew of her distress, yet had not been able to get to her, she "freaked out".
and, in a perfect world all slaves would be and act just as their Master's would wish, but when we give our submission, we do not give up our humanity, hopes, dreams, emotions or desires, and when in stress, some of us see monsters under our beds.
this girl is aware that it looks like she doesnt trust her Master, but she truly does. this girl, not only trust, but loves her Master beyond all reason and that is why she freaked.

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RE: lying - 4/3/2006 9:00:46 PM

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I was just reading this thread. Thanks for the update. I'm sorry for your recent troubles and I hope things smooth out for you. Best of luck to you *hugs*

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RE: lying - 4/3/2006 9:13:29 PM

cariad

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this slave is not saying one way or the other that she agrees or disagrees with what you have gone through MLskajira, but she knows from her own experiences that when her now former Master did not get back to her, she wrote in a journal and would send said journal entry to Him for Him to read.

once He had read it, He would then either call her, write her back or come on im to discuss it. this slave realizes that her former Master has a life outside of U/us and if He can't get to answering her right away she has several choices.....

1. write Him an email
2. write a poem
3. write in her journal
4. soak in a hot tub, with candles and her favorite music until her head is clear once again
5. ask for release which she did because He decided to stop all communication even though He swore He would not do that.

this slave has since found a new Sir, and although He has His life and girl has hers, W/we have talked about looking at other profiles here on collarme, and agree that it is ok to look and respond to those who write U/us but that W/we wish to get to know each O/other better and are not going to look for A/another until such time as it is evident that W/we are not made for each O/other.

guess what this slave is trying to say is, you always have these following options available to you, as a slave has no property not even her name belongs to her as it is given her by her Master, a slave does not have the right to dictate her Master not take another or even be looking for another.

1. ask for free time, where it is agreed you can say what you want as long as it is done respectfully and that anything you may say unless it is disrespectful is not punishable.

2. Email Him and tell Him how you are feeling and give Him time to digest what is going on in your mind, then if after a week at the outside you still get no response email Him with something like: "Master, girl knows You are busy but please help her to understand her feelings?" and then leave it to Him to answer you.

3. Write in a journal and show Him your journal, this way He can see how you are feeling, why you are feeling that way, and if you have done something out of character for you why you have done so.

4. have a hot bath, with bubbles if you wish to use bubble bath, use candles for your lighting, get your favorite music going and soak until you feel your head is clearer than it was before you went into the tub.

5. if you are not happy then you always have the option of begging release and as painful as it is, in the end it may be what is needed for you.

but before you go posting in a public forum perhaps, and this is just girls opinion but perhaps you should try some of the suggestions girl listed for you.

Blessed Be and may the Gods and Goddess light the path that you were meant to be on.....

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RE: lying - 4/3/2006 9:34:44 PM

MLskajira

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as she stated before, "this girl loves her Master".
she has done all of what you said her options were, even the candle lit bath, none of them worked for her. and the "other" issue was not even an issue, until this girl saw what she saw.
release is the last thing she wants.
please understand that this girl has been under tremendous stress for about 2 months. not only has she had to deal with what she mentioned before, but she is also going through her mid-terms at college at the same time (her GPA is a C+).
she completely understands that her Master has a life beyond her, but she has been begging for Him to help relieve her tension for quite some time, and He has been unavailable, except for a moment here and there.
truly, this girl is not "just a jealous kajira", and what she is begging for is not just a "want" but a genuine need.

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RE: lying - 4/3/2006 10:14:46 PM

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quote:

True, but it is also a perfect example that you should know ALL the facts before going off half-cocked. Rather than attempting to answer the question without having a clue what one was talking about, one should have taken the time to get to know the surrounding circumstances. As you can see here it would have made all the difference in the world.

No one went off half-cocked. We responded to a situation that was presented. That the situation then turned out to be completely different from what was originally stated due to the error of the OP does not in any way negate or invalidate the responses and reactions to what was originally presented.

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RE: lying - 4/3/2006 10:19:22 PM

MLskajira

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that is why this girl used word like, "if" and phrases like "may have", because she wasnt sure .......... not even about how she should react

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RE: lying - 4/4/2006 5:32:38 AM

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Stress can be a tremendous factor in a person's life. It is not unusual to misjudge another when one's perspective has been skewed by stress. i think you need to forgive yourself for not acting with "grace under pressure" but rather applaud yourself for allowing time to settle your mind and discussing your feelings. Even if you were entirely wrong, it was still interesting to read the responses.

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RE: lying - 4/4/2006 6:20:09 PM

amaidiamond

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I am glad your situation is better now and sorry to hear about all the stress you have been under, I hope things in general look up.
I for one can often be guilty of getting an idea in my head and *running with it*, It is one of my weak spots in that if I have a fear it can sometimes grow and change and in my head becomes an *is* , it happens especially in times of extreme stress for me at least.

All the best to you both

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RE: lying - 4/4/2006 8:15:32 PM

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Ach! alls well that ends well....We all have our moments of insecurity...be well...Tempting

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RE: lying - 4/5/2006 9:38:29 PM

MLskajira

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thank Y/you all for Y/your input. it has truly been helpful

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