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RE: Name your penalty! - 3/26/2010 6:48:24 PM   
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Also most people in college are still claimed as a dependent on their parents tax returns which means they can't use it on their own.

So actually it's possible for someone who makes 6k a year to have to pay income taxes :P

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RE: Name your penalty! - 3/26/2010 6:50:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

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Sorry but I find it difficult to beleive that someone who actually attended college(wondering how that worked out?


lol... I think you might have hit upon something, Mike.  Notice first this post...

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ORIGINAL: Silence8

I'm a student. I read books ALL FUCKING DAY, for my livelihood.


And then this one...

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ORIGINAL: Silence8

When I was in college...


Seems within a couple of pages his status changed.  

Probably just as well.  Being a student and reading for a living doesn't pay very well from what I understand. 



Graduate. School.

LOL, I can't believe this has turned into an investigation into my intelligence.

You won't win this one, if you really want to pursue it.





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RE: Name your penalty! - 3/26/2010 6:51:20 PM   
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Technically this is a continuation of a feud over in the dental coverage post.

It's annoying that the two of you have elevated reading a 1000-page legal document into some sort of transcendental moral act. It isn't; frankly, you'd be better off reading a real book, or the opinion of a specialist on federal law, or otherwise.

It's blackmail, basically. You're committing a type of intellectual blackmail.

And you're missing the most essential point, namely, that the medium itself is the message. Again and again I'll repeat this until it sinks in.

You design a bill that's not meant to be read, and then chastise whose who don't read it. The form is as much the content as the content itself


I have read the bill in bits and pieces... and im still reading it. Its as dull as my anatomy and physiology book was in nursing school. But its necessary, at least to me.

If you dont feel the need to be informed, then dont be. But you also negate your rights to complain.

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RE: Name your penalty! - 3/26/2010 6:53:46 PM   
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If you dont feel the need to be informed, then dont be. But you also negate your rights to complain.


I wouldn't be surprised if anyone in a position to vote on the bill delegated the "reading" part to their aides and voted based on a summary.

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RE: Name your penalty! - 3/26/2010 6:54:47 PM   
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Technically this is a continuation of a feud over in the dental coverage post.

It's annoying that the two of you have elevated reading a 1000-page legal document into some sort of transcendental moral act. It isn't; frankly, you'd be better off reading a real book, or the opinion of a specialist on federal law, or otherwise.

It's blackmail, basically. You're committing a type of intellectual blackmail.

And you're missing the most essential point, namely, that the medium itself is the message. Again and again I'll repeat this until it sinks in.

You design a bill that's not meant to be read, and then chastise whose who don't read it. The form is as much the content as the content itself


I have read the bill in bits and pieces... and im still reading it. Its as dull as my anatomy and physiology book was in nursing school. But its necessary, at least to me.

If you dont feel the need to be informed, then dont be. But you also negate your rights to complain.


Uhhhh................ yeah, I've read parts of the bill.

Of course.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Wait, wait...................


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Oh okay, I get it....... I guess I have 'read' the bill, if that's what you mean!


Wow.



Let's insult my intelligence some more?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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RE: Name your penalty! - 3/26/2010 6:55:30 PM   
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I could, quite easily, if you wish.

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RE: Name your penalty! - 3/26/2010 6:56:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Elisabella


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
If you dont feel the need to be informed, then dont be. But you also negate your rights to complain.


I wouldn't be surprised if anyone in a position to vote on the bill delegated the "reading" part to their aides and voted based on a summary.


That wouldnt surprise me at all. Im sure most did. Just tossed a few copies to the junior staff members... told them to write a synopsis, and left to go have drinks and dinner... lol

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RE: Name your penalty! - 3/26/2010 6:59:22 PM   
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If you dont feel the need to be informed, then dont be. But you also negate your rights to complain.


No, you don't. This is a ridiculous argument.

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RE: Name your penalty! - 3/26/2010 7:01:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: Elisabella


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
If you dont feel the need to be informed, then dont be. But you also negate your rights to complain.


I wouldn't be surprised if anyone in a position to vote on the bill delegated the "reading" part to their aides and voted based on a summary.


That wouldnt surprise me at all. Im sure most did. Just tossed a few copies to the junior staff members... told them to write a synopsis, and left to go have drinks and dinner... lol


So why aren't you criticizing the representatives in power, instead of the people?

You're using this reading-the-bill as a fetish object... not in the bdsm sense.

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RE: Name your penalty! - 3/26/2010 7:04:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Silence8


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: Elisabella


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
If you dont feel the need to be informed, then dont be. But you also negate your rights to complain.


I wouldn't be surprised if anyone in a position to vote on the bill delegated the "reading" part to their aides and voted based on a summary.


That wouldnt surprise me at all. Im sure most did. Just tossed a few copies to the junior staff members... told them to write a synopsis, and left to go have drinks and dinner... lol


So why aren't you criticizing the representatives in power, instead of the people?

You're using this reading-the-bill as a fetish object... not in the bdsm sense.


Not to mention you apparently didn't actually read it.

Likewise, find me one person who's read the entirety of their mortgage....

Notice the convergence of two related phenomena 1) financial crisis -- instruments too complicated for anyone to understand 2) healthcare crisis -- reform bill too complicated for even senators and representatives to read.

The medium is the message.

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RE: Name your penalty! - 3/26/2010 7:06:08 PM   
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name some penalties you feel would be better...


Not allowed to buy gold or silver.

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RE: Name your penalty! - 3/26/2010 7:07:29 PM   
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I have criticized them, from the beginning. Everyone who screamed.. death panels... and believed them to be true, never read the bill. I have often posted the links... worked through the e-mail showing all the lies being spread about the original bill (HR3200). I got through 23 points, and only found one that was partially true.. the rest were lies... before stopping.

I truly believe if you are going to bitch about something, then know what the hell you are bitching about. People lie.. often.. repeatedly.. and regularly. I read for myself for this reason. I hate being lied too. I hate being made a fool of by others who lie.

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RE: Name your penalty! - 3/26/2010 7:09:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

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Well seeing as I obviously beleive my "b"to be correct(or else I wouldn't have written it)it would seem you would need to show me my error.Care to do that?


$5700 deduction + $3650 exemption = $9350

Which means that an individual making 10k would have $650 worth of taxable income, taxed at 10%, meaning he would pay $65 in federal income tax.


And I swear to God if you say anything even resembling "yeah I might have said they pay no tax but they pay little tax so I'm close enough" I will scream in rage.

Explanation is below:


An individual pays tax at a given bracket only for each dollar within that bracket's range. For example, a single taxpayer who earned $10,000 in 2009 would be taxed 10% of each dollar earned from the 1st dollar to the 8,350th dollar (10% × $8,350 = $835.00), then 15% of each dollar earned from the 8,351th dollar to the 10,000th dollar (15% × $1,650 = $247.50), for a total of $1,082.50. Notice this amount ($1,082.50) is lower than if the individual had been taxed at 15% on the full $10,000 (for a tax of $1,500). This is because the individual's marginal rate (the percentage tax on the last dollar earned, here 15%) has no effect on the income taxed at a lower bracket (here the first $8,350 of income taxed at 10%). This ensures that every rise in a person's pre-tax salary results in an increase of his after-tax salary.

However, taxpayers are not taxed on every dollar they make. For 2009, single and married filing separate taxpayers are allowed a standard deduction of $5,700. Married filing jointly and surviving widow(er)s are allowed $11,340 and head of household taxpayers are allowed $8,350. Taxpayers over 65 or blind are given an additional $1,100 standard deduction ($2,200 if over 65 and blind). A taxpayer may choose to take the standard deduction or they may itemize their deductions if the amount of itemized deductions is greater than the standard deduction.

Taxpayers are also allowed a personal exemption depending on their filing status. The personal exemption amount in 2009 is $3,650 per person.


Now what in my posting history suggests to you that I would claim such a thing.....although seeing how you would express that "scream in rage" through this medium might just be worth such a childish tactic....
But allow me to say this instead....anyone paying the Fed dollar one in taxes while making 10,000 dollars a year needs to learn how to fill out the forms(or find someone competant to do so for him)because there must be some additional deductions legally available to this citizen....and net result of having the form filled out correctly and utilizing all of his alloted deductions would most certainly be a tax return check equalling more than the tax deducted!

< Message edited by slvemike4u -- 3/26/2010 7:13:10 PM >


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RE: Name your penalty! - 3/26/2010 7:09:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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name some penalties you feel would be better...


Not allowed to buy gold or silver.


Master Tim, you are gonna give poor pahunk a heart attack.

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RE: Name your penalty! - 3/26/2010 7:14:06 PM   
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I have criticized them, from the beginning. Everyone who screamed.. death panels... and believed them to be true, never read the bill. I have often posted the links... worked through the e-mail showing all the lies being spread about the original bill (HR3200). I got through 23 points, and only found one that was partially true.. the rest were lies... before stopping.

I truly believe if you are going to bitch about something, then know what the hell you are bitching about. People lie.. often.. repeatedly.. and regularly. I read for myself for this reason. I hate being lied too. I hate being made a fool of by others who lie.


But this proves my point. I knew, and most intelligent people knew, that death panels weren't true -- didn't have to read it. Call it the magic of communication. (Technically, Jon Stewart also read this section during one particular episode, so actually I have had it read to me.... whooaaaa!....)

Now, MM has recommended looking up the definition of 'smug'. Granted, I haven't actually looked it up, but, somehow, harnessing these same magical powers, I understand what he's getting at...

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RE: Name your penalty! - 3/26/2010 7:15:57 PM   
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Graduate. School.


lol... Spoken with the typical hubris of a graduate student.

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RE: Name your penalty! - 3/26/2010 7:17:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

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Graduate. School.


lol... Spoken with the typical hubris of a graduate student.



You went there. There it is.

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RE: Name your penalty! - 3/26/2010 7:25:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Silence8


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: Silence8


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: Silence8


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Seems while I was away Ven adressed Elisabella's post( in better and more comprehensive fasion then I would be capable of doing) so before I go back to packing allow me to say ...Thanks Merc, and I hope it goes without saying the hopes for the weekend is reciprocal .
PA the folks you descired are either a) off the grid and therefor have no need to fear this legislation  and b) no one on 10k a year is paying Federal,State or local tax.....period.


I think your 'b' is incorrect.
Well seeing as I obviously beleive my "b"to be correct(or else I wouldn't have written it)it would seem you would need to show me my error.Care to do that?


When I was in college, I didn't make 10k and still had to pay taxes.

There.
Sorry but I find it difficult to beleive that someone who actually attended college(wondering how that worked out? Evidence would suggest you wasted your time)thinks anything contained within that post could be characterized as convincing.....seemed eerily familiar to a schoolyard(as in grammer school...not college) retort......"so there"
Please come back with an actual argument...or don't bother,as I said earlier I'm a little busy tonight and responding to juveniles is not on my agenda.


I'm a little confused. Also, for someone who doesn't punctuate...

You said no one under 10k pays taxes, right? That's not true. I know because of personal experience, namely, my own.

I wasn't really attacking you, by the way.
This isn't about whether or not you were attacking me(you accomplished that when you suggested that someone with "slave" in their nick wasn't likely to get any respect...and while I'm within these parethese allow me to say...fuck puntuations...at the end of the day all I care about is if it is readable....you want to grade it be my guest,just don't expect me to give a fuck!)This is about the reality that someone making 10,000 dollars is not in any way shape or form paying federal taxes.Now you keep saying"when you were in college". Two things here ,that does not make for a convincing argument...that is you reiterating your claim and than supporting it with your own statement.See how that fails to convince?
Now let me ask you something....when you were in college were you by chance still listed as a)a dependant of your parents b) a full time student holding a part time job ?
If you answer yes to a.....well that changes your tax status ,doesn't it?
If you answer yes to b.....well that changes your tas status,doesn't it?
p.s. I did make every effort possible(short of consulting an English teacher to punctuate correctly....I do so hope you appreciate the effort

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RE: Name your penalty! - 3/26/2010 7:29:58 PM   
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Also most people in college are still claimed as a dependent on their parents tax returns which means they can't use it on their own.

So actually it's possible for someone who makes 6k a year to have to pay income taxes :P
But in that case that person isn't actually responsible for their own support....which does skew the conversation a bit,doesn't it?Hell if you're in College and listed as a dependant on the parents tax forms.....I'm going to take the leap that you are covered under their plan...which makes this debate an exercise in futility

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RE: Name your penalty! - 3/26/2010 7:30:12 PM   
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Yet, you didnt know, because you didnt read it for youself. In fact, you accepted the reading by a man known for him comedy act of a news show. I love Stewart, and Colburn... but they dont speak for me.. or tell me what i should or should not think.

This makes you no better than those of the tea party who allow themselves to be read too.



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