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Obama's health insurance rule — it was a GOP idea - 3/27/2010 7:07:46 AM   
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Obama's health insurance rule — a GOP idea for two decades



WASHINGTON – Republicans were for President Barack Obama's requirement that Americans get health insurance before they were against it.

The obligation in the new health care law is a Republican idea that's been around at least two decades. It was once trumpeted as an alternative to Bill and Hillary Clinton's failed health care overhaul in the 1990s. These days, Republicans call it government overreach.

.......Conservatives today say that's unacceptable. Not long ago, many of them saw a national mandate as a free-market route to guarantee coverage for all Americans — the answer to liberal ambitions for a government-run entitlement like Medicare.

Most experts agree some kind of requirement is needed in a reformed system because health insurance doesn't work if people can put off joining the risk pool until they get sick.

In the early 1970s, President Richard Nixon favored a mandate that employers provide insurance. In the 1990s, the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank, embraced an individual requirement. Not anymore.

"The idea of an individual mandate as an alternative to single-payer was a Republican idea," said health economist Mark Pauly of the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School. In 1991, he published a paper that explained how a mandate could be combined with tax credits — two ideas that are now part of Obama's law.

Pauly's paper was well-received — by the George H.W. Bush administration.
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RE: Obama's health insurance rule — it was a GOP idea - 3/27/2010 7:14:39 AM   
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RE: Obama's health insurance rule — it was a GOP idea - 3/27/2010 7:25:58 AM   
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Republicans say Obama and the Democrats co-opted their original concept, minus a mechanism they proposed for controlling costs. More than a dozen GOP attorneys general are determined to challenge the requirement in federal court as unconstitutional.

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RE: Obama's health insurance rule — it was a GOP idea - 3/27/2010 7:45:28 AM   
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You make me laugh! The Republicans voted in a bipartisan manner with several Democrats to try to defeat the legislation while a partisan majority of Democrats voted alone to champion it, and it was Obama who signed the much hated bill into law.

So the left owns it, and they're going down with it regardless of how ridiculously they try to spin it.


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RE: Obama's health insurance rule — it was a GOP idea - 3/27/2010 7:52:25 AM   
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And now...The rest of the story...
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Republicans say Obama and the Democrats co-opted their original concept, minus a mechanism they proposed for controlling costs. More than a dozen GOP attorneys general are determined to challenge the requirement in federal court as unconstitutional.



So tell me what was that mechanism and how did the Republican plan for mandated health insurance differ from the Democrats' plan?





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RE: Obama's health insurance rule — it was a GOP idea - 3/27/2010 7:54:19 AM   
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From Kentucky Attorney General Jack Conway

"I think this is an important point. The 13 or so attorneys general who are suing the government to exempt their states from the health law’s individual requirement and Medicaid expansion provisions are doing so in their capacity as elected politicians, not lawyers and the sooner we all stop pretending that their lawsuits are grounded in a serious legal interpretation of the constitution, the better. At least 4 of the 13 AGs are running for higher office (either Governor or Senator) and the rest are up for re-election. Their suits are designed to rally political support, not lay down new legal doctrine."



http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2010/03/conway_refuses.php

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RE: Obama's health insurance rule — it was a GOP idea - 3/27/2010 7:57:46 AM   
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You make me laugh! The Republicans voted in a bipartisan manner with several Democrats to try to defeat the legislation while a partisan majority of Democrats voted alone to champion it, and it was Obama who signed the much hated bill into law.

So the left owns it, and they're going down with it regardless of how ridiculously they try to spin it.



Speaking of laughing.

How in the hell can you claim the Republicans voted in a bipartisan manner when not one single Republican voted for the legislation.

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RE: Obama's health insurance rule — it was a GOP idea - 3/27/2010 7:59:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		It was a GOP idea, that is the difference,  members of the GOP only have great ideas, DEMS only have bad ideas, even if the ideas are the same

Look at MA insurance plan, the only difference is the Medicaid portion (which states can not do) and the mandate for everyone in the USA to join (something states cannot do, they do however have the mandate for their state)  But for some reason the 2 GOP members who supported this plan for their state are against it for the country

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RE: Obama's health insurance rule — it was a GOP idea - 3/27/2010 8:07:00 AM   
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Look at MA insurance plan, the only difference is the Medicaid portion (which states can not do) and the mandate for everyone in the USA to join (something states cannot do, they do however have the mandate for their state)  But for some reason the 2 GOP members who supported this plan for their state are against it for the country


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Shhhhhh!

You can't call Scott Brown a flip-flopper (even if he is).

That would offend those who have made him the hero of the GOP because he alone will defeat the health care bill and restore truth, justice, and the American way.

Didn't quite work out.

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RE: Obama's health insurance rule — it was a GOP idea - 3/27/2010 8:07:22 AM   
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Republicans say Obama and the Democrats co-opted their original concept, minus a mechanism they proposed for controlling costs.


Yet they didn't push to add the mechanism. Winning their support was something Obama wanted, and they could have struck a deal.

Why? It was never about passing this legislation. Even two decades ago, it was a private counter to Clinton's plan, again, designed to derail. Once Clinton's plan was dead, the GOP counter was dropped as well.

And it still isn't. Today's "counters" aren't health care reform at all--tort reform, relaxed insurance regulations, and privatizing Medicare.

They oppose health care legislation, and are proud of it. Fine. Have the balls to take that position, instead of feeding people the crap they've been spewing for months and months, and apparently, for months to come.

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RE: Obama's health insurance rule — it was a GOP idea - 3/27/2010 8:10:01 AM   
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The vote against the bill was bipartisan.


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Speaking of laughing.

How in the hell can you claim the Republicans voted in a bipartisan manner when not one single Republican voted for the legislation.



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RE: Obama's health insurance rule — it was a GOP idea - 3/27/2010 8:18:29 AM   
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The vote against the bill was bipartisan.


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Speaking of laughing.

How in the hell can you claim the Republicans voted in a bipartisan manner when not one single Republican voted for the legislation.




Which only serves to demonstrate that the Republican opposition was politically based rather than voting on their beliefs or what was best for their constituents.

You had Democrats who were in opposition to Democratic legislation but not one single Republican saw any merit in the bill?

It stretches the imagination to believe it was anything but political coercion within the GOP to ensure a united front.




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RE: Obama's health insurance rule — it was a GOP idea - 3/27/2010 8:33:54 AM   
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Republicans say Obama and the Democrats co-opted their original concept, minus a mechanism they proposed for controlling costs.


Yet they didn't push to add the mechanism. Winning their support was something Obama wanted, and they could have struck a deal.

Why? It was never about passing this legislation. Even two decades ago, it was a private counter to Clinton's plan, again, designed to derail. Once Clinton's plan was dead, the GOP counter was dropped as well.

And it still isn't. Today's "counters" aren't health care reform at all--tort reform, relaxed insurance regulations, and privatizing Medicare.

They oppose health care legislation, and are proud of it. Fine. Have the balls to take that position, instead of feeding people the crap they've been spewing for months and months, and apparently, for months to come.


Kinda hard to strike a deal when the president and house leaders ignore every attempt to meet, and hide behind closed doors bribing guys like Stupid..er Stupak.

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RE: Obama's health insurance rule — it was a GOP idea - 3/27/2010 8:36:29 AM   
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A vote against the bill was what the majority of citizens said they wanted, and the Democrats had to bribe and threaten their reps to get it to pass. They couldn't go on Christmas break or Easter break without voting on it for fear that they might listen to their constituents and vote against Pelosi and Reid and Obama.

The real ugliness was on the Dem side of it. Deny it and try to spin it all you want but the stark facts are our there and I really believe that people will remember, especially after the Democrats roll out the next entirely unpopular item on their agenda.


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RE: Obama's health insurance rule — it was a GOP idea - 3/27/2010 8:37:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Uh, that is bullshit as well, I remember Obama at a meeting with the republicans and democrats about healthcare trying to get bipartisan collaboration working, several times, before he finally said fuck them clowns, it is going to have to be democratic only.

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RE: Obama's health insurance rule — it was a GOP idea - 3/27/2010 8:39:57 AM   
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Republicans say Obama and the Democrats co-opted their original concept, minus a mechanism they proposed for controlling costs.


Yet they didn't push to add the mechanism. Winning their support was something Obama wanted, and they could have struck a deal.

Why? It was never about passing this legislation. Even two decades ago, it was a private counter to Clinton's plan, again, designed to derail. Once Clinton's plan was dead, the GOP counter was dropped as well.

And it still isn't. Today's "counters" aren't health care reform at all--tort reform, relaxed insurance regulations, and privatizing Medicare.

They oppose health care legislation, and are proud of it. Fine. Have the balls to take that position, instead of feeding people the crap they've been spewing for months and months, and apparently, for months to come.


Kinda hard to strike a deal when the president and house leaders ignore every attempt to meet, and hide behind closed doors bribing guys like Stupid..er Stupak.


Which brings us back to the point---they aren't crying about the missed opportunity to reinstate their mechanism. In fact, they dropped that two decades ago. They don't want to fix this, their old plan. They want to scrap it.

It's about stopping health care reform. The rest is rhetoric, aimed at November.

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RE: Obama's health insurance rule — it was a GOP idea - 3/27/2010 8:41:01 AM   
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He said "fuck the people and what they want, we're going to rahm this down their throats." And now the real clowns are the ones who are trying to claim that any of this is the GOP's doing.

So fuck you, you own it.


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Uh, that is bullshit as well, I remember Obama at a meeting with the republicans and democrats about healthcare trying to get bipartisan collaboration working, several times, before he finally said fuck them clowns, it is going to have to be democratic only.


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RE: Obama's health insurance rule — it was a GOP idea - 3/27/2010 8:42:09 AM   
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RE: Obama's health insurance rule — it was a GOP idea - 3/27/2010 8:57:28 AM   
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Personally I believe both parties are for this law that robs us all of more in the way of personal liberty.

I think the only reason either party argues this law is because they want to be the party, that in the end, when there are no more liberties to robs us of, are the ones holding the leash.

This is only the latest in a series of social unjustices that have robbed from Peter to pay Paul and then gave neither the funds or power accosted.

The game of Go continues....

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RE: Obama's health insurance rule — it was a GOP idea - 3/27/2010 9:05:16 AM   
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