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RE: Propping up the Poll numbers - 3/27/2010 1:33:44 PM

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Domestic oil production would be a drop in the bucket--and likely sold overseas where prices are higher.

What we need are refineries, and another one just recently shut down.

Trouble is, nobody wants a refinery in the neighborhood.

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RE: Propping up the Poll numbers - 3/27/2010 1:38:33 PM

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Now this is an issue that we are in complete agreement on. We need to build regional refineries that way the various blends can be made in that region without messing with the rest of the country's supply, for change overs and such.

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RE: Propping up the Poll numbers - 3/27/2010 6:36:02 PM

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The American fleet economy- that is, our overall fuel economy- is lower in the 2000's than it was in the 1980's.

Meaning we consume more fuel, less efficiently than we used to, mostly because of the popularity of SUV's and trucks.

Meaning even if we built refineries around the clock, and put an oil well on every streetcorner, our ability to consume oil will always outstrip our ability to produce it.

Not to mention, since when has feeding an addiction ever cured it?

But back to the topic- poll numbers are fickle things- notice the 7 point swing in popularity of HCR within a few days. the November elections are a few hundred news cycles away- I wouldn't lay money on much of anything.

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RE: Propping up the Poll numbers - 3/27/2010 8:56:25 PM

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I'm with Animus, its way to early to be making anything but wild predicitons, we have no idea what will happen between now and then, and we all know how easily a winning campaign can implode when the unexpected occurs.

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RE: Propping up the Poll numbers - 3/28/2010 9:22:00 AM

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Where's the talk about petroleum prices, or Iraq/Afghanistan, or a host of other issues people screamed about?

The press stopped pushing those issues after they got their guy elected.

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RE: Propping up the Poll numbers - 3/28/2010 9:25:56 AM

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And as I said in another thread, Obama needs James Carville in the White House yelling at him everyday; "IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID!"

Well, yes, but I also want a button that says: "It's the REPEAL, stupid".

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RE: Propping up the Poll numbers - 3/28/2010 9:27:17 AM

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Now this is an issue that we are in complete agreement on. We need to build regional refineries that way the various blends can be made in that region without messing with the rest of the country's supply, for change overs and such.

I'm on board.

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RE: Propping up the Poll numbers - 3/28/2010 9:30:58 AM

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There was some talk of using abandoned military posts to fast track the building of new refineries because its a national security issue and a vital economic necessity, but so far its gone nowhere.

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Now this is an issue that we are in complete agreement on. We need to build regional refineries that way the various blends can be made in that region without messing with the rest of the country's supply, for change overs and such.

I'm on board.

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RE: Propping up the Poll numbers - 3/28/2010 9:56:06 AM

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"His appeal to blacks is an interesting phenomenon."

Well, maybe at the margins, as the article suggests. But it would shock me to find any amateur student of American politics who was unaware of the clearly racist and pro-Democrat voting patterns of African Americans.

Isn't it a requirement under the Voting Rights Act that minority voting strength in any given district not be reduced by redistricting? I know I read something to that effect some years ago. It's just an observable fact that if A-As stayed home for even one cycle there would be a veto-proof Republican House, three years would result in a large, possibly veto-proof Senate, and there might not have been a Democrat elected President since Kennedy save for overwhelming A-A support.

That's just another chicken that may come home to roost in the Obama coop.

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RE: Propping up the Poll numbers - 3/28/2010 12:10:55 PM

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"His appeal to blacks is an interesting phenomenon."

Well, maybe at the margins, as the article suggests. But it would shock me to find any amateur student of American politics who was unaware of the clearly racist and pro-Democrat voting patterns of African Americans.

Isn't it a requirement under the Voting Rights Act that minority voting strength in any given district not be reduced by redistricting? I know I read something to that effect some years ago. It's just an observable fact that if A-As stayed home for even one cycle there would be a veto-proof Republican House, three years would result in a large, possibly veto-proof Senate, and there might not have been a Democrat elected President since Kennedy save for overwhelming A-A support.

That's just another chicken that may come home to roost in the Obama coop.

I can't help but wonder what you're smoking.....while you are indeed correct in your statement that blacks vote predominately Democrat....you're claim of this as evidence of racism is laughable.
The GOP is not in the business of attracting and wooing this particular demographic...they have long rejected these voters in favor of "tea-bagger" types.
You mention "chickens coming home to roost"...the only "chickens" I see coming home will be the continued marginalization of a once proud party by an ever changing populace that see's no appeal from their exclusionary plank!

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RE: Propping up the Poll numbers - 3/28/2010 12:26:01 PM

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You're quite right that the large majority of A-As are still firmly on the Democratic plantation, although a few more escape each year. They vote D first and foremost; the racism is found in analyses of voting patterns within primaries. When it's black D vs. non-black D, A-As vote for the black guy a significantly disproportionate amount of the time.

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RE: Propping up the Poll numbers - 3/28/2010 12:32:15 PM

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That's a pretty narrow and self-serving definition of racism. Voting for someone you think better understands your interests and issues is rational behavior. If that's someone with your own background, including race, then so be it.

More typically, eliminating someone from consideration based solely on race would constitute racism. What you have here is spin, not definition.

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RE: Propping up the Poll numbers - 3/28/2010 1:17:38 PM

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And still totally ignores republican exclusionism.

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RE: Propping up the Poll numbers - 3/28/2010 1:50:35 PM

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Voting for someone you think better understands your interests and issues is rational behavior

Believing that someone of your race is better able to do that is racxist.

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RE: Propping up the Poll numbers - 3/28/2010 1:51:50 PM

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And still totally ignores republican exclusionism.

I usually exclude nonexistent things.

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RE: Propping up the Poll numbers - 3/28/2010 1:56:09 PM

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Voting for someone you think better understands your interests and issues is rational behavior

Believing that someone of your race is better able to do that is racxist.

That's a pretty narrow and self-serving definition of racism. Voting for someone you think better understands your interests and issues IS rational behavior. If that's someone with your own background, including race, then so be it.

More typically, eliminating someone from consideration based solely on race would constitute racism. What you have here is spin, not definition.

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And still totally ignores republican exclusionism.

I usually exclude nonexistent things.

Such as, apparently, reality.

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RE: Propping up the Poll numbers - 3/28/2010 1:58:47 PM

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And it is "non-existent" because you claim it to be.99% (or whatever the actual number is) of black voters casting their vote for the Democratic candidate,whether black or not is actually immaterial,says different.
The parties courting of the "teabaggers' says different.
The parties demonizing of minority voters, and any effort to register same,says different.

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RE: Propping up the Poll numbers - 3/28/2010 3:25:16 PM

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1. And it is "non-existent" because you claim it to be.99% (or whatever the actual number is) of black voters casting their vote for the Democratic candidate,whether black or not is actually immaterial,says different.
2. The parties courting of the "teabaggers' says different.
3. The parties demonizing of minority voters, and any effort to register same,says different.

I numbered the drivel.

1. The fact that 99% of Americans aren't Libertarians doesn't make the Libertarian Party exclusive.
2. Learn English. "Courting" any group is an act of inclusion, which is somewhat different from exclusion.
3. Far from demonizing minority voters, we have done everything we can to attract them, including in far too many cases becoming D-lites. Our efforts continue, and as their economic futures continue to improve, so will the results of our efforts. Few mired in the choices that lead to (semi) permanent poverty vote R. We are against illegal, phony registration.....

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RE: Propping up the Poll numbers - 3/28/2010 4:44:28 PM

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But back to the topic- poll numbers are fickle things- notice the 7 point swing in popularity of HCR within a few days. the November elections are a few hundred news cycles away- I wouldn't lay money on much of anything.

Not to mention the Teabagger Factor. The way things are looking now, the Tea Party could peel off a lot of votes from moderate Republicans in many key districts, effectively splitting the conservative vote and giving a lot of Democratic candidates a deceptively easy 45-30-25 victory. It's way too early to call that wild card now, but we can definitely say that it will at least be in play come November. The Tea Party may be a greater threat to Republican incumbents than Democratic incumbents.

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RE: Propping up the Poll numbers - 3/28/2010 5:03:23 PM

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