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RE: Propping up the Poll numbers - 3/28/2010 5:12:20 PM   
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1. And it is "non-existent" because you claim it to be.99% (or whatever the actual number is) of black voters casting their vote for the Democratic candidate,whether black or not is actually immaterial,says different.
2. The parties courting of the "teabaggers' says different.
3. The parties demonizing of minority voters, and any effort to register same,says different.


I numbered the drivel.

1. The fact that 99% of Americans aren't Libertarians doesn't make the Libertarian Party exclusive.
2. Learn English. "Courting" any group is an act of inclusion, which is somewhat different from exclusion.
3. Far from demonizing minority voters, we have done everything we can to attract them, including in far too many cases becoming D-lites. Our efforts continue, and as their economic futures continue to improve, so will the results of our efforts. Few mired in the choices that lead to (semi) permanent poverty vote R. We are against illegal, phony registration.....
Well arguing with someone as delusional as you is not on my agenda tonite....so in that light I will leave it to others to dispute your illusions,fancies and outright lies.
By the by...I know full well what the meaning of "courting" ...I even know the meaning of all of those code words an overwhelming majority of teabagers throw around(yourself included sunshine)...as do minority voters!

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RE: Propping up the Poll numbers - 3/28/2010 5:17:33 PM   
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The Tea Party may be a greater threat to Republican incumbents than Democratic incumbents.


I'm starting to wonder/worry about that myself.


They're not talking about it yet, but I'd be pretty surprised if a number of GOP leaders aren't starting to take it very seriously. I don't know what they're going to do about it, though. Their only chance to distance themselves from the crazies is to make themselves look moderate, and the best way to do that is to do a 180 and make a sincere effort at bipartisanship with the Obama Administration, but it's too late for that.

They're fucked either way. They've chosen the course they're on, and they've chosen to whip the Teabaggers into a frenzy to keep the temperature up, and now here they are.


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RE: Propping up the Poll numbers - 3/28/2010 5:39:20 PM   
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And in so doing create more and more of truckin's "racist black " voters.....along with nearly every other minority demographic.
I think Letterman was doing reruns last week(way too many Olympic references in his monologue...but what the fuck Scarlett Johansson was his guest,understand) and Keith Olbermann(sp?) came on...now I don't normally pay much attention to Kieth...don't know why just don't like him....but he was talking about these "tea party" rallies and he said they all look like family reunions....everyone looks the same.He went on to mention ,and I paraphrase, that one should take a good long look in the mirror if one is attending a political rally and thousands and thousands of people are there.....and they are all the same shade!

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RE: Propping up the Poll numbers - 3/28/2010 5:45:13 PM   
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But back to the topic- poll numbers are fickle things- notice the 7 point swing in popularity of HCR within a few days. the November elections are a few hundred news cycles away- I wouldn't lay money on much of anything.


Not to mention the Teabagger Factor. The way things are looking now, the Tea Party could peel off a lot of votes from moderate Republicans in many key districts, effectively splitting the conservative vote and giving  a lot of Democratic candidates a deceptively easy 45-30-25 victory. It's way too early to call that wild card now, but we can definitely say that it will at least be  in play come November. The Tea Party may be a greater threat to Republican incumbents than Democratic incumbents.


It'll be the Perot effect all over again. If you can recall, Ross Perot as the populist "reform" candidate in '92 split the Republican vote and allowed Clinton to win. Many Republicans recognize this which is why they are courting the Tea Baggers. They know that politically the party must be unified in order to defeat Obama in 2012.

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RE: Propping up the Poll numbers - 3/28/2010 5:49:08 PM   
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Hey ,there you go Brainy...another factoid in support of my old republican stripe(which Popeye has hinted is so much bullshit)I was one of those "split" Republican voters...I voted for the little guy.Vowed I would never throw away my vote again....a vow which led to some regrettable voting in 2000 and 2004 ;-(

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RE: Propping up the Poll numbers - 3/28/2010 9:49:47 PM   
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On several levels this is theatre so bizarre that its almost pointless to speak the obvious



Music, you're a Democrat? My condolances.

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RE: Propping up the Poll numbers - 3/28/2010 9:55:23 PM   
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I was an Independent until Reagan/Falwell.

Only other game in town, ya know?

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RE: Propping up the Poll numbers - 3/28/2010 10:42:12 PM   
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Hey ,there you go Brainy...another factoid in support of my old republican stripe(which Popeye has hinted is so much bullshit)I was one of those "split" Republican voters...I voted for the little guy.Vowed I would never throw away my vote again....a vow which led to some regrettable voting in 2000 and 2004 ;-(

I have it on good authority that the current crop of conservatives just aren't very bright. Rather than learn from history they prefer to re-write it, which is too bad because there are some conservative principles which this country desperately needs.

When will these Tea Partiers learn that anger is not a platform for governing? If they split the party and lose, then they deserve it.

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RE: Propping up the Poll numbers - 3/28/2010 10:56:37 PM   
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"His appeal to blacks is an interesting phenomenon."

Well, maybe at the margins, as the article suggests. But it would shock me to find any amateur student of American politics who was unaware of the clearly racist and pro-Democrat voting patterns of African Americans.

Isn't it a requirement under the Voting Rights Act that minority voting strength in any given district not be reduced by redistricting? I know I read something to that effect some years ago. It's just an observable fact that if A-As stayed home for even one cycle there would be a veto-proof Republican House, three years would result in a large, possibly veto-proof Senate, and there might not have been a Democrat elected President since Kennedy save for overwhelming A-A support.

That's just another chicken that may come home to roost in the Obama coop.


gerrymandering was a big thing in the south and helped to reduce the voting power of minorities. but it was only one of many attempts.



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On the 100th day of the first term of the first black president of the United States, lawyers for a small utility district in Travis County, Texas, walked up the steps of the Supreme Court Building to ask the nine justices of the court to dismantle a key provision of the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Ironies abound.

Without the Voting Rights Act, there would be no President Obama. When it was passed, the Voting Rights Act, known as “the crown jewel of the civil rights movement,” began the process of fully realizing the promise of the 15th Amendment of the Constitution, which in 1870 extended the right to vote to African Americans, or at least to African-American men. In the years between 1870 and 1965, however, the vast majority of blacks were largely disenfranchised by Southern legislators and jurisdictions that used intimidation, arcane registration practices, gerrymandering, poll taxes and violence to keep the black population from exercising the franchise. The Voting Rights Act was a result of the literal blood, sweat and tears of civil rights activists, among them Medgar Evers; Fannie Lou Hamer; Andrew Goodman, James Cheney and Michael Schwerner; and a young John Lewis, who nearly lost his life on the Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma, Ala., in 1965.

The current challenge to the constitutionality of certain aspects of the Voting Rights Act is ironically timed but certainly not unexpected. Even as Congress—by a unanimous vote in the United States Senate and a nearly unanimous vote in the House—reauthorized its provisions in 2006, forces opposing the Voting Rights Act were planning a legal challenge. Several made little effort to conceal their hopes that a Supreme Court anchored by conservative justices would undo what Congress did when it passed the Fannie Lou Hamer, Rosa Parks, and Coretta Scott King Voting Rights Act Reauthorization and Amendment Acts in 2006.

I can recall testifying in favor of the reauthorization in the summer of 2006, when Texas Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) alluded (snidely, it seemed to me) to a hypothetical future legal challenge to the act’s constitutionality. It’s perhaps then no surprise that a mere eight days after Congress reauthorized the act, a case challenging its constitutionality was filed in Texas.

Northwest Austin Municipal Utility District Number One v. Attorney General Eric Holder (formerly Mukasey, and before that Gonzales) challenges the constitutionality of Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act. The most controversial and hard-fought provision of the act, Section 5 requires certain jurisdictions in the U.S. to seek authorization from the Department of Justice or from a federal court whenever they seek to make changes to voting practices or procedures. These “voting changes” can range from changing the location of polling places to increasing the number of city council seats, or switching from electing judges to appointing them. The jurisdictions covered by Section 5 are those that were historically characterized by deeply depressed (and in many cases deliberately suppressed) voter registration and turnout among minority voters. Most of these jurisdictions are in the states of the former Confederacy. But jurisdictions in Arizona and New York are also covered by Section 5’s pre-clearance requirements because of their history of depressed voter registration and participation among language minorities.

The requirement that covered jurisdictions seek approval or “pre-clearance” of voting changes enables local minority communities to learn about any changes planned in their jurisdictions, and, more important, to provide their input on whether such changes are likely to adversely affect voting strength in the minority community. If any of the changes would diminish minority voting strength, or if it is intended to discriminate against minority voters, the Justice Department may object to it.

Prior to reauthorizing the Voting Rights Act in 2006, Congress heard testimony for more than a year and compiled a record of over 15,000 pages before concluding that “the vestiges of discrimination in voting continue to exist.” The evidence before Congress included discrimination against Native American voters in South Dakota and Latino voters in Arizona and Georgia, and against black poll workers in South Carolina, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and a host of other states. Texas, in fact, was specifically identified as having among the worst records of voting discrimination. The forms of discrimination in various states included the promulgation of racially discriminatory redistricting plans, discrimination against minority poll workers, illegal citizenship challenges to Latino registered voters, discriminatory registration practices and a variety of efforts to diminish minority voting strength in covered jurisdictions.

Since the act was last reauthorized, the Department of Justice has objected to some 620 instance of voting changes proposed by covered jurisdictions under Section 5, and over 600 voting rights lawsuits have been brought by minority voters who successfully challenged discriminatory election practices under Section 2. And there can be no way of assessing the scores and perhaps hundreds of instances in which the requirements of pre-clearance under Section 5 deterred jurisdictions from attempting to implement discriminatory voting changes.



http://www.theroot.com/views/100th-day-threat-voting-rights

This law seeks to prevent racial discrimination practices within the Voting arena. Can you honestly say that you disagree with these rules?

ETA ~ i forgot the link

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